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What about the bottom one in the booth photo?
I thought they announced they weren't going to SHOT2022?View attachment 7780753View attachment 7780754Got these off another group I am on. They are releasing one with a longer barrel, arca handguard and polymer grip.
Ok cool I guess. I have an ARCA rail mounted on mine and some milk Magpul rail covers that serve the same purpose. Doubt I would pay more than the price of those parts above the standard Sig Cross for it.Lol sorry guys I totally forgot I posted that. It’s from (from what I can guess is a Sig rep in one of our Facebook groups). @chutinlead you are correct they are not going to ShotShow. This was a show in Louisville a week ago.
Supposedly it’s called the Born and Raised Outdoors edition? (Wtf with the name).
@Tx_Aggie you are correct that is the m400 predator.
@Kline it’s the Sig Sauer Cross private group. I attached a screenshot of the group. It’s hard to find though cuz the photos and details are from a conversation we were having and he hasn’t expanded on them. Heck my buddy who is a master dealer for Sig didn’t even know about these lol.
Do we know if its just a handguard and barrel length change or a new version/updated action etc?
My google FU must be busted because I can't find where this version is available anywhere. I did find a weird not quite facebook video of Born and Raised giving one away around Christmas, but no mention of it on their website.The born and raised outdoors model with the 24” barrel was discussed on here a few months back. I’d have to go back to find the post though.
The plastic hand guard cover thing is different, not sure what it’s purpose would be.
Never even tried, not rocket science to see what the intent of this gun was. When I see folks strapping weights, etc on it, wtf? you picked the wrong gun skippy.I’m out on trying to turn this rifle into something it’s not. It’s a great field rifle, so easy to carry or slap on your pack. Bolt on a short arca rail section and leave that rail nice and trim for the most part.
Totally agree. I might be interested in the full arca handguard if they sell it seperate, but thats it. My cross was great out in wyoming on my pdog hunt, riding in a side by side. If I want a heavier longer barreled rifle, i would just grab my comp rifle. The Cross is not built for that purpose.Never even tried, not rocket science to see what the intent of this gun was. When I see folks strapping weights, etc on it, wtf? you picked the wrong gun skippy.
Love it. I can now use my cross for any species in North America with that kind of energy.According to their velocity, the 277 fury is even faster than I had thought. A 16" is moving a 150gr bullet at 3025fps.
These rounds should drop in price drastically if Sig wins the military contract. similar to the 308 and how cheap those rounds are because of the military using it. Wasn't the NGSW announcement already past due from December?With .277 you've got to know which ammo you'll be dealing with. The brass cased stuff is a few hundred FPS slower with a 130gr than the hybrid case 150gr. I am assuming the 1750FPS 100yd velocity on their site is a typo.
Looks like ~$4 a shot for the hybrid case ammo, which is less than I expected frankly.
According to their velocity, the 277 fury is even faster than I had thought. A 16" is moving a 150gr bullet at 3025fps.
That translates to 3000+ at the muzzleView attachment 7783647
This is straight off the website. 16" sends a 150gr at 2830fps @ 100 yds. Impressive but not 3000+ we were expecting. Of course once it comes out we will all have better data.
Working that backwards I see 2973fps at the muzzle from a 16 in barrel. I'm pretty sure the 3000 claim from 2 years ago was for a 140gr bullet, not a 150 as listed. I'm sure if you dropped 10gr off, you'd be well past 3000.That translates to 3000+ at the muzzle
Working that backwards I see 2973fps at the muzzle from a 16 in barrel. I'm pretty sure the 3000 claim from 2 years ago was for a 140gr bullet, not a 150 as listed. I'm sure if you dropped 10gr off, you'd be well past 3000.
Really weird to give muzzle velocity at 100 yards. That's not muzzle velocity. That's 100 yard velocity.
Until we get real data, I've just assumed 5fps per grain of bullet weight difference. Since that's in the ballpark of what I see on conventional rounds.What is mv on a high bc bullet? Like 168 or 184? Im guessing you cant even mag load them with a x51 brass in an Aics?
The born and raised outdoors model with the 24” barrel was discussed on here a few months back. I’d have to go back to find the post though.
The plastic hand guard cover thing is different, not sure what it’s purpose would be.
I'm being lazy and didn't want to read through 37 pages of comments so what MV are you getting for the 18" 6.5 creedmoor Sig Cross? I am looking for a factory bolt action in a chassis with a shorter barrel for chasing midwestern whitetail and occasional NRL Hunter matches. Thank you.
bummer. NRL Factory class needs 380k+ minimum for power factor. 123gr @2775 only gets me 341k for power factor. The last option is to use factory ammo but I haven't seen 8+ boxes (3 boxes for practice and DOPE and 5 boxes for the match) of match factory ammo in almost 2 years on the shelf.The load for my 24” barrrel with the 147 eld is 2711fps. The same load out of my cross 18” barrel is 2512fps.
So about 200 fps lost.
I went with a 123gr Scenar to get velocity back up to 2775, and it seems to really like that bullet.
I can load 178 bthp at 2.845 with room to spare in my 308. That length and a stout charge of IMR 4064 got me 2705 for a 5 shot avg.I'm more excited for the "wildcats" that will come from this than the 270 version. I'm sure we'll see it necked up and down from 243 to 338, just like the 308 was. And then people will also AI it.
7mm"fury", 338 "fury" both sound like great hunting rounds to me.
Anyone with a cross rifle have the maximum OAL they've been able to load a 308 or 6.5cm? Anything past 2.825?
Any pressure signs? That sounds screaming for a 16”I can load 178 bthp at 2.845 with room to spare in my 308. That length and a stout charge of IMR 4064 got me 2705 for a 5 shot avg.
None, but no accuracy. I get 3040 out of 130 grains. I am still fighting for accuracy in anything over the 150Any pressure signs? That sounds screaming for a 16”
M80 is notoriously underpowered. The 130s I shot were government SOST rounds. Still not even pushing limits.Definitely screaming, I think I got around 2600 out of M80!
I got lucky and found a load that shot with 142gr ABLR and Superformance pushing them 2650. Same bullet topped out with H4350 at 2450fps. Still comes up short on your 380k PF by a few thousand. That was with Hornady Large rifle primers ammo. Might get it a little higher with lapua small rifle.I'm being lazy and didn't want to read through 37 pages of comments so what MV are you getting for the 18" 6.5 creedmoor Sig Cross? I am looking for a factory bolt action in a chassis with a shorter barrel for chasing midwestern whitetail and occasional NRL Hunter matches. Thank you.
Out of curiosity, what was the charge weight with H4350.I got lucky and found a load that shot with 142gr ABLR and Superformance pushing them 2650. Same bullet topped out with H4350 at 2450fps. Still comes up short on your 380k PF by a few thousand. That was with Hornady Large rifle primers ammo. Might get it a little higher with lapua small rifle.
I'm more excited for the "wildcats" that will come from this than the 270 version. I'm sure we'll see it necked up and down from 243 to 338, just like the 308 was. And then people will also AI it.
7mm"fury", 338 "fury" both sound like great hunting rounds to me.
Anyone with a cross rifle have the maximum OAL they've been able to load a 308 or 6.5cm? Anything past 2.825?
I'm being lazy and didn't want to read through 37 pages of comments so what MV are you getting for the 18" 6.5 creedmoor Sig Cross? I am looking for a factory bolt action in a chassis with a shorter barrel for chasing midwestern whitetail and occasional NRL Hunter matches. Thank you.
I don't know if these hit your magic number, but they all shot pretty well in my Cross.
127gr LRX @ 2,742 fps (43.5 gr RL16)
129gr IL @ 2,760 fps (43.2 gr RL16)
130gr TGK @ 2,740 fps (44 gr 6.5 StaBall)
130gr TGK @ 2,823 fps (43.6 gr RL16)
142gr ABLR @ 2,680 fps (43 gr RL16)
140gr GD @ 2,670 fps (44.4 gr 6.5 StaBall)
140gr GD @ 2,688 fps (42.5 gr RL16)
Thank you for your data. Unfortunately based on those values they don't meet NRL Hunter's Power Factor minimums. PF is 380k (bullet weight * MV). If I use factory ammo PF is exempt. Bad news is I haven't seen 7 or more boxes of premium or match quality factory 6.5 ammo in over 2 years.
That ABLR does. 142*2680=380560.Thank you for your data. Unfortunately based on those values they don't meet NRL Hunter's Power Factor minimums. PF is 380k (bullet weight * MV). If I use factory ammo PF is exempt. Bad news is I haven't seen 7 or more boxes of premium or match quality factory 6.5 ammo in over 2 years.
Thank you for your data. Unfortunately based on those values they don't meet NRL Hunter's Power Factor minimums. PF is 380k (bullet weight * MV). If I use factory ammo PF is exempt. Bad news is I haven't seen 7 or more boxes of premium or match quality factory 6.5 ammo in over 2 years.
168gr BT | ||
Varget | Velocity | Power Factor |
44.4 | 2,518 | 423,024 |
44.6 | 2,557 | 429,576 |
44.8 | 2,547 | 427,896 |
45 | 2,555 | 429,240 |
45.2 | 2,562 | 430,416 |
45.4 | 2,562 | 430,416 |
45.6 | 2,571 | 431,928 |
45.8 | 2,606 | 437,808 |
46 | 2,606 | 437,808 |
46.2 | 2,604 | 437,472 |
168gr BT | ||
AR-Comp | Velocity | Power Factor |
41.8 | 2,594 | 435,792 |
42 | 2,597 | 436,296 |
42.2 | 2,605 | 437,640 |
42.4 | 2,620 | 440,160 |
42.6 | 2,622 | 440,496 |
42.8 | 2,633 | 442,344 |
43 | 2,632 | 442,176 |
168gr ABLR | ||
8208 XBR | Velocity | Power Factor |
42.2 | 2,472 | 415,296 |
42.4 | 2,495 | 419,160 |
42.6 | 2,510 | 421,680 |
42.8 | 2,563 | 430,584 |
43 | 2,546 | 427,728 |
43.2 | 2,556 | 429,408 |
43.4 | 2,606 | 437,808 |
43.6 | 2,584 | 434,112 |
43.8 | 2,620 | 440,160 |
44 | 2,600 | 436,800 |