Not a single pro NFL player in the entirety of Snipers Hide…As usual, the guy who’s never shot the sport knows everything that’s wrong with it.
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Not a single pro NFL player in the entirety of Snipers Hide…As usual, the guy who’s never shot the sport knows everything that’s wrong with it.
So go on and keep doubling down on stupid.As usual, the guy who’s never shot the sport knows everything that’s wrong with it.
The other alternative is to accept production division for what it is…
This is just chasing a moving target outside of the sport's (and shooter's) control and a characteristic that has nothing to do with performance.How many RPRs does Ruger build annually? Limit “production class” to rifles with those production stats.
Or don’t. The PRS doesn’t care so long as sponsors pay.
Depends on what you mean. The average target size may have been bumped slightly higher recently, but the small targets are only getting smaller.Targets aren’t any smaller now than they were and there is actually less movement now compared to back then too. It’s definitely different but not harder.
I mean the targets 20 years ago were not larger than the ones today and some smaller.Depends on what you mean. The average target size may have been bumped slightly higher recently, but the small targets are only getting smaller.
I see more matches moving toward a "separator" model rather than an all out ball buster to keep the mid pack attendance healthy. That means the targets where you can gain ground on the field are smaller, but there are more meaty targets out there for mid and lower pack. Does that make the matches easier or harder? Depends on where you land in the lineup. They're harder to be in the top 5, but easier in the sense that your hit percentage will likely be higher.
Use Clay's match as an example. 2023 had pretty much .4 targets across the board in 15-30 mph winds. 2024 had more big-small target engagements. "Easier" match, but it was just as difficult to make the top 10 if not moreso.
This makes more sense than any other model I have seen (or shot at). Reminds me of the Altus Outlaw matches of recent.Depends on what you mean. The average target size may have been bumped slightly higher recently, but the small targets are only getting smaller.
I see more matches moving toward a "separator" model rather than an all out ball buster to keep the mid pack attendance healthy. That means the targets where you can gain ground on the field are smaller, but there are more meaty targets out there for mid and lower pack. Does that make the matches easier or harder? Depends on where you land in the lineup. They're harder to be in the top 5, but easier in the sense that your hit percentage will likely be higher.
Use Clay's match as an example. 2023 had pretty much .4 targets across the board in 15-30 mph winds. 2024 had more big-small target engagements. "Easier" match, but it was just as difficult to make the top 10 if not moreso.
That's not true at all. The old skills stage with a 2 MOA target at 600 used to be a difficult target. Now a 2 MOA target is a meatball.I mean the targets 20 years ago were not larger than the ones today and some smaller.
There were no skills stages as there was no PRS back then. We shot 6” movers at 500 yards. Hell we shot movers. Not many do that anymore. Also shot a lot of small paper targets but no paper either anymore.That's not true at all. The old skills stage with a 2 MOA target at 600 used to be a difficult target. Now a 2 MOA target is a meatball.
Texas Precision Matches put a mover at their 500 y berm and I was super stoked, (‘17 or ‘18?). We shot it for maybe 2 matches and it went away. Well, it was still there, but not in the course of fire. It always irked me that it was RIGHT THERE but we weren’t shooting it. I assumed that peeps were shooting the mechanism and it was broken. Maybe there were complaints from the top. I drifted to other things not too long after- lockdown then HS shotgun for the oldest. Maybe they brought it back. Idk.There were no skills stages as there was no PRS back then. We shot 6” movers at 500 yards. Hell we shot movers. Not many do that anymore. Also shot a lot of small paper targets but no paper either anymore.
Movers aren't common anymore because they're difficult and expensive to get right. K&M can run them because their movers are purpose built into the range. They have electricity run underground so no generator problems. Berms protect the tracks and wheels, and the movers themselves are built like tanks because they stay put year round.Texas Precision Matches put a mover at their 500 y berm and I was super stoked, (‘17 or ‘18?). We shot it for maybe 2 matches and it went away. Well, it was still there, but not in the course of fire. It always irked me that it was RIGHT THERE but we weren’t shooting it. I assumed that peeps were shooting the mechanism and it was broken. Maybe there were complaints from the top. I drifted to other things not too long after- lockdown then HS shotgun for the oldest. Maybe they brought it back. Idk.
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This is true.Movers aren't common anymore because they're difficult and expensive to get right. K&M can run them because their movers are purpose built into the range. They have electricity run underground so no generator problems. Berms protect the tracks and wheels, and the movers themselves are built like tanks because they stay put year round.
MD's on rented ground don't get those luxuries and going range cold 9 times a day isn't a good option. If you can't get it running again in under 5 min, chances are the stage gets tossed anyway.
The reason is that boutique rifle builders can't build a custom rifle and make any money with those caps. A production minimum of 500 rifles is a joke for a "real" manufacturer. You could call the division the "wink wink production division."I have not read the complete thread......
Having said that.....there is no reason the budget cap shouldn't be $1500 rifle and $1000k scope. There are plenty of great options within these budgets and it is low enough to keep the purpose built low cost items out of the class. Hell you might even get those companies to donate and sponsor.......go figure.
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That's why it is the GAy division.........hahaThe reason is that boutique rifle builders can't build a custom rifle and make any money with those caps. A production minimum of 500 rifles is a joke for a "real" manufacturer. You could call the division the "wink wink production division."