Rifle Scopes NF Atacr 1-8 vs vortex gen 3 1-10

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

Anyone have any time on both? For the purposes of a 308 gas gun inside of 600 yards, what are the pros and cons when comparing the two? I have a LMT mws battle rifle on order and think one of these two would be the best based on a general purpose 1 to 600 yard battle rifle.

thanks in advance

 

[koshkin]

I have quite a lot of time with the Razor Gen 3 and a little bit with the ATACR. I really like the Razor. It is a little easier to get behind, still nuclear bright and has slightly finer reticle for longer shots.

ILya

 

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

Great. So you still really like the Razor? Thanks for your feedback!

 

[koshkin]

Great. So you still really like the Razor? Thanks for your feedback!

I am really impressed with the Razor. I've been shooting it from 7 yards to 750 yards and it has been spot on.

ILya

 

[Trigger Monkey]

I'm starting a review of the Gen III myself and while I'm an unabashed NF fan, this Razor is pretty awesome for a gas gun.

 

[kukworld]

Thinking to purchase either 1 of them for my gas gun. Please provide as much inputs as possible for these two scope. Appreciated!

Ps: I was hoping razor gen 3 will have the integrated throw lever but it didn’t...

 

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

I agree. The more info the better.

 

[Trigger Monkey]

It doesn't have an integrated throw lever but they include one in the box, which I like because it allows me to position it where I want so it's out of the way.

 

[scharfschutze762]

I'm starting a review of the Gen III myself and while I'm an unabashed NF fan, this Razor is pretty awesome for a gas gun.

Please let us know when your review is done. You old review of the 3-12 S&B was among the best. I know the NF 1-8 is Milspec 810G rated and I dont know if the vortex since its very new but a comprehensive objective review would be very appreciated.

 

[Moose]

I'm starting a review of the Gen III myself and while I'm an unabashed NF fan, this Razor is pretty awesome for a gas gun.

I will be looking forward to your review.Is the mag lever smoother then the Razor 1x6 gen2-e.

 

[JWG]

Please let us know when your review is done. You old review of the 3-12 S&B was among the best. I know the NF 1-8 is Milspec 810G rated and I dont know if the vortex since its very new but a comprehensive objective review would be very appreciated.

No data on the 1-10 Vortex, but the 1-6 didn't impress me with the failure reports I got from everyone who ran one that I knew.

 

[Trigger Monkey]

Like what kinds of failures?

 

[Birddog6424]

No data on the 1-10 Vortex, but the 1-6 didn't impress me with the failure reports I got from everyone who ran one that I knew.

That's odd. I know of a metric crap ton of guys running the 1-6 G2 Razor in 3 Gun. Including myself for a year, and still have it. But I can only think of one of them going down at a match and little to no co.plaints of reliability.

Short of being deployed in some shithole country with our military, I cant think of anything harder on an optic than 3 Gun. I have wrecked the cosmetics of several scopes that were on my 3 Gun rifles and completely wrecked the turret on my MK8 1-8 CQBSS.

I think Vortex is going to raise the bar with this new Gen III.

 

[Trigger Monkey]

I don't have much personal experience with the Gen II 1-6 other than looking through a couple at matches but everything I'd heard was positive about them. That's why I asked what failed on them in case there was something I needed to keep an eye on or note.

Regarding the question about the travel of the magnification ring being smoother than a Gen II 1-6 I can't say, I don't have one to compare it to. The 1-10 that I have does rotate smoothly though, albeit with some resistance, which I like but there are not rough spots to speak of. I hope that helps answer your question.

 

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

I am curious about any failures as well.

 

[Moose]

I been running the Gen11-e for a while and no problems.I could not be happier with the 1x6.I would also like to know about what problems.

 

[acudaowner]

I take it you will only be shooting steel ? cause at 600 yards your not going to see very much detail wise It would be like trying to see the head of a pin at 100 yards with your unassisted eyes with a 3x 10 . Which or what ever you get I wish you luck and many years of success with it . .

 

[JWG]

Over the years I've seen online multiple failures of the fiber optic, as well as had friends share that theirs, or a client's, separated.

Also I know one swat officer who had one that "just went blurry" all of a sudden. A failure I also read about online.

Another friend of mine tested about a dozen of them, over many thousands of rounds. Only 1 held zero past about 5k. The rest showed slight shifts, or loss of precision, or had unfaithful adjustments, or some other mechanical issue related to zero retention or adjustment. Also tested were several nx8, and one ATACR-1-8X24-F1. None of them had issues.

The new vortex g3 has a etched reticle, so the fiber optic is no longer a concern. Also, the internals now are different as its FFP. This said, I'll be a late adopter due to past issues I have both read about, as well as had friends personally share with me.

 

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

Interesting info. So none of the NF ATACR 1-8 models had that issue, but the vortex 1-6 did? Hopefully the changes made in the gen 3 ffp version fix those, however rare they may be.

Any other models in this class of lpvo for gas guns that you know of reliability info data? Like the kahles k16i?

 

[cleric]

What did vortex day when a dozen of their razors went back for repair?

 

[JWG]

What did vortex day when a dozen of their razors went back for repair?

Nothing. They replace them and motor on. Best warranty in the biz.

 

[JWG]

What did vortex day when a dozen of their razors went back for repair?

Nothing. They replace them and motor on. Best warranty in the biz.

 

[JWG]

Interesting info. So none of the NF ATACR 1-8 models had that issue, but the vortex 1-6 did? Hopefully the changes made in the gen 3 ffp version fix those, however rare they may be.

Any other models in this class of lpvo for gas guns that you know of reliability info data? Like the kahles k16i?

K16i I've heard issues with. QC seems to have slipped since HPS days.
Leupold mk6 and vcog 1-6, I spoke with a gentleman that kept up with 20 of each that were issued. 4 vcogs broke and 0 mk6s, in about 6mo.
Nx8s had an odd issue when you dialed past 10 mils or so, the parallax shifted. It seems this was an early issue. Mine doesnt.

Everything can have an issue. My mk6 1-6 had black trash slowly spackling the vision field. It would reflect illumination and was annoying. I've seen mk6 3-xx scopes with off center reticles. NF seems to be the safest bet, imo.

I am very interested in how this new vortex holds up though. I've got high hopes.

 

[beetroot]

I once saw a Vortex scope spontaneously combust during a PRS match.
Vortex rep said the Razor line does that sometimes due to eddy currents in the erector assembly.

I vowed too never own a Vortex scope again after that.

 

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

I once saw a Vortex scope spontaneously combust during a PRS match.
Vortex rep said the Razor line does that sometimes due to eddy currents in the erector assembly.

I vowed too never own a Vortex scope again after that.

I listened to an art bell show about this very thing. I believe men in black suits were seen picking up the scope and quickly leaving the scene in roswell, New Mexico.

 

[Birddog6424]

K16i I've heard issues with. QC seems to have slipped since HPS days.
Leupold mk6 and vcog 1-6, I spoke with a gentleman that kept up with 20 of each that were issued. 4 vcogs broke and 0 mk6s, in about 6mo.
Nx8s had an odd issue when you dialed past 10 mils or so, the parallax shifted. It seems this was an early issue. Mine doesnt.

Everything can have an issue. My mk6 1-6 had black trash slowly spackling the vision field. It would reflect illumination and was annoying. I've seen mk6 3-xx scopes with off center reticles. NF seems to be the safest bet, imo.

I am very interested in how this new vortex holds up though. I've got high hopes.

You seem to be on a roll... heard of anyone breaking an XTRII 1-8?

I have it from the high Burris mucky muck that breakage is very rare. I've actually never gotten a firsthand account of anyone breaking one..

But you seem to be the bearer of all things broken.

 

[JWG]

You seem to be on a roll... heard of anyone breaking an XTRII 1-8?

I have it from the high Burris mucky muck that breakage is very rare. I've actually never gotten a firsthand account of anyone breaking one..

But you seem to be the bearer of all things broken.

No, havent heard anything about it. Noone I know is issued or uses one.

 

[Niles Coyote]

@JWG can you say what platform most of these where mounted to? Was it your garden verity AR or the ultra reliable FN product that tends to rape fiber optic wire and make two piece scopes out of one piece tubes?

 

[JWG]

The vortex optics were on AR/m4 types. I am not sure what the mk6 and vcogs were on except that one vcog died on an m249, I believe.

 

[TangoSierra916]

Any more reviews on the ATACR 1-8 or the gen 3 (even though its new). Im debating these optics as well. @Happiness Is A Warm Gun did you make a decision?

 

[Trigger Monkey]

@TangoSierra916, I posted some pics and thoughts from a recent range trip I had with the Gen III 1-10 over in the other Gen III thread (link below). Overall, I really like it, I haven't used the ATACR 1-8 but the Vortex is a solid option.

https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/vortex-razor-hd-gen-iii-1-10x.6979718/page-4

 

[TangoSierra916]

@TangoSierra916, I posted some pics and thoughts from a recent range trip I had with the Gen III 1-10 over in the other Gen III thread (link below). Overall, I really like it, I haven't used the ATACR 1-8 but the Vortex is a solid option.

https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/vortex-razor-hd-gen-iii-1-10x.6979718/page-4

great write up and pics in the thread you referenced thank you!

 

[kukworld]

I’m still debating this vs Atacr 1-8. For some reason I my mind NF is more robust.

Also, since Vortex is being made in Japan, not sure if the virus situation will delay the shipments

 

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

Any more reviews on the ATACR 1-8 or the gen 3 (even though its new). Im debating these optics as well. @Happiness Is A Warm Gun did you make a decision?

I am a few months away from being able to buy one, but am leaning vortex as of right now. I think I want to wait for these to be on the market for several months before I make my final decision. How are you leaning?

 

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

I’m still debating this vs Atacr 1-8. For some reason I my mind NF is more robust.

Also, since Vortex is being made in Japan, not sure if the virus situation will delay the shipments

that is certainly one area where the NF is never lacking.

 

[Reload10]

Any discernable optical difference?

 

[TangoSierra916]

I am a few months away from being able to buy one, but am leaning vortex as of right now. I think I want to wait for these to be on the market for several months before I make my final decision. How are you leaning?

Honestly ATACR a bit but its tough to find any reviews on them. The Razor 1-10 seems like a great option at a lower price point but its also new, great company but new. Tough/Great time to be a consumer with many great options. lol

 

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

Honestly ATACR a bit but its tough to find any reviews on them. The Razor 1-10 seems like a great option at a lower price point but its also new, great company but new. Tough/Great time to be a consumer with many great options. lol

Agreed. I don't think a bad decision could be made between these two.

 

[hk dave]

Japan is not China.

 

[MarshalC_SportOptics]

I'm just saying though, if you are considering the 1-10 vs a ATACR might I offer up a third option? I was so far impressed by the 1-10 and the quality of it even on their prototype model that the finished was awesome! Great glass and performance. But I kinda steered toward the ATACR on the eyebox in terms of reliability. Now if you are not deadset on a FFP 1-8/10 I suggest looking at the new Kahles 1-8 they just released! That scope is fantastic. Great eyebox, dead-on performance, lightweight that I'd use it for my gas gun in a heartbeat. The Austrians did a fantastic job with the newest edition!

 

[The DFC]

@Happiness Is A Warm Gun

Who did you order your LMT from and what is it?

 

[TangoSierra916]

I’m still debating this vs Atacr 1-8. For some reason I my mind NF is more robust.

Also, since Vortex is being made in Japan, not sure if the virus situation will delay the shipments

Did you end up going ATACR?

 

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

I'm just saying though, if you are considering the 1-10 vs a ATACR might I offer up a third option? I was so far impressed by the 1-10 and the quality of it even on their prototype model that the finished was awesome! Great glass and performance. But I kinda steered toward the ATACR on the eyebox in terms of reliability. Now if you are not deadset on a FFP 1-8/10 I suggest looking at the new Kahles 1-8 they just released! That scope is fantastic. Great eyebox, dead-on performance, lightweight that I'd use it for my gas gun in a heartbeat. The Austrians did a fantastic job with the newest edition!

funny you should recommend kahles - I have a k16i!

 

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

@Happiness Is A Warm Gun

Who did you order your LMT from and what is it?

Back in feb, I ordered from v1tactical, but bc it won't be in until october, I just bought another one from titan defense that is supposed to be shipped by the end of this month. In both cases, I ordered a mws mlok battle rifle with the lw 13.5 inch barrel.

 

[The DFC]

Back in feb, I ordered from v1tactical, but bc it won't be in until october, I just bought another one from titan defense that is supposed to be shipped by the end of this month. In both cases, I ordered a mws mlok battle rifle with the lw 13.5 inch barrel.

Nice-Pro rigs no doubt. I'm curious how close to the timelines they meet on delivery.

 

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

So am I! The v1actical estimate of october seems years from now with how fast things are moving each day, so I am not too worried about it. The titan defense quote of March 30 is the one I am far more concerned about, since I spent more just to get one in my hands quickly. I hope this stupid virus stuff doesn't delay the shipment, but we will see.

Here is a link to the titan defense rifle:

LMT MARS-H 7.62 Battle Rifle

As you can imagine, it is going to be a while before I can afford to buy a new scope after paying for two lmt rifles! I figured I would start my research now though, since it doesn't seem to be a clear answer and both scopes have their pros and cons.

 

[kukworld]

Did you end up going ATACR?

No, not yet, still debating what to get...
I have NX8 right now. If I wanna “upgrade” it has to be better.

I’m taking a good hard look in the k16i

 

[Moose]

The K16i is a very nice scope great glass very good eye-box light weight and mag ring is smooth as silk.

 

[kukworld]

Yes, you are right about the K16i. Planning to put on a 14.5

Still debating. I just wish the illumination is little bit brighter, like NX8, Atacr or Gen 3 Razor bright

 

[JayseM_SportOptics]

Decent amount of time with both. I think the ATACR is great, but I think the 1-10 is pretty hard to beat with what all you're getting for the money. I do think the ATACR has a little better resolution and a little better 1x, so if it fits your budget and you want the best, get the ATACR but if you want to save a little money and get a little extra magnification, the Razor is a fantastic value. One more thing I will say though; the 10x on the Razor has a pretty right eye box as should be expected, so I think it could be tricky to use unless prone or mounted, or if you're just using to identify and then back out to engage.