Yeah, read both of them. Tried them both. Sometimes that "magic load" will stack holes, sometimes it wont. Just like FGMM, I cant always shoot .5moa groups, sometimes its 1moa sometimes its .2moa. If I took a box of FGMM my target would look just like travbob's and that is using the same load every time. I guess I could also find multiple nodes on that target as well. I'm just trying to learn like travbob.