Rifle Scopes Official Zero Compromise Optic News & Updates

[CK1.0]

Just Don't buy one already, or take it to the pit, you won't change anything and no one really cares except you!

I already have one and like it. I was just wondering if there was an option out there to take the FOV governor off it and use it as it was designed and as the listed specs say.

 

[oldrifleman]

I already have one and like it. I was just wondering if there was an option out there to take the FOV governor off it and use it as it was designed and as the listed specs say.

No, you were whining about your pet peeve, over and over again! In any case, Enjoy the one you have, do with it what you will. I will do the same with mine and I don't think ZCO has lied about what they were selling here in the USA.

 

[CK1.0]

No, you were whining about your pet peeve, over and over again! In any case, Enjoy the one you have, do with it what you will. I will do the same with mine and I don't think ZCO has lied about what they were selling here in the USA.

I wasn’t “whining” about shit, merely asking a question, which some might think is a perfectly valid question, since I can’t think of too many $4K+ items we buy where we’re supposed to be happy with receiving less than what’s advertised.

ZCO should update their specs on their website to reflect what North American buyers actually get… then there’d be nothing to “whine” about.

And FWIW, I don’t understand guys who buy products and then get emotionally attached to the brands to the point where they feel like they need to take up for them. I like the scope, yeah, but that doesn’t automatically make me a brand ambassador/defender or blind to shortcomings and/or idiosyncrasies when they come to light.

 

[oldrifleman]

I wasn’t “whining” about shit, merely asking a question, which some might think is a perfectly valid question, since I can’t think of too many $4K+ items we buy where we’re supposed to be happy with receiving less than what’s advertised.

ZCO should update their specs on their website to reflect what North American buyers actually get… then there’d be nothing to “whine” about.

And FWIW, I don’t understand guys who buy products and then get emotionally attached to the brands to the point where they feel like they need to take up for them. I like the scope, yeah, but that doesn’t automatically make me a brand ambassador/defender or blind to shortcomings and/or idiosyncrasies when they come to light.

Blah blah blah

 

[Secant]

No, you were whining about your pet peeve, over and over again! In any case, Enjoy the one you have, do with it what you will. I will do the same with mine and I don't think ZCO has lied about what they were selling here in the USA.

This has been discussed a few times on here, and my understanding is that FoV specs are likely for non-US version, which have greater FoV than US versions. This is very likely due to Swaro's current BS patent that nobody has challenged in the US.

I bought all my ZCOs years ago, and I didn't know that US version were restricted. Even if I knew, I would have bought at that time since the Patent was still many years away from sunsetting. That said, it is annoying that the US scopes are throttled (presumably). Also, from a functional standpoint, US version FoV is not a huge issue IME - it's not like you are looking through a paper towel roll or anything.

 

[oldrifleman]

Understand, just annoyed at guy constantly whining. I love mine, they perform better than nothing else in my eye ( TT may be good, but they don’t have a reticle I want to use). Not sure I even cared about specs as they do what I want them to do. Anyway, Merry Christmas to all!

 

[carbonbased]

ZCO has its fan boys. NF, Impact, and TBAC etc. do too. Ah well.

@koshkin has previously opined upon ZCO fudging its FOV specs. Not sure if that was for the EU models or just for the US one. He also said ZCO does not like him because of it.

IIRC, he also said that removing a FOV limiter wouldn’t be cost effective.

I trust he will pop in to correct me if I am wrong.

 

[clefairy]

Understand, just annoyed at guy constantly whining. I love mine, they perform better than nothing else in my eye ( TT may be good, but they don’t have a reticle I want to use). Not sure I even cared about specs as they do what I want them to do. Anyway, Merry Christmas to all!

I’m gonna give you a powerful tip if you’re getting annoyed on your phone. Put it down. You getting annoyed means the device owned you that day. Look at your emotions, be a man that your father would be proud of.

 

[oldrifleman]

I’m gonna give you a powerful tip if you’re getting annoyed on your phone. Put it down. You getting annoyed means the device owned you that day. Look at your emotions, be a man that your father would be proud of.

Nah, too much fun

 

[Realwar]

 

[Ikeman83]

I don’t mean to come off as a jerk or anything…

I was just buying a laptop the other night and thought how if I bought one that was advertised as coming with 32GB of RAM, and then it showed up with only 16GB, I wouldn’t be happy, and with the North American scopes from ZCO what we get is not what is advertised.

And as far as removing the FOV limiters after the fact, I don’t see that as any different from choosing to put aftermarket pipes on a new Ducati… so it couldn’t be imported that way, no big deal, after you take delivery and own it, you can modify it however you want to as long as one’s local laws allow it.

Yes, you can perform it as an aftermarket action without any patent implications, provided you can successfully disassemble the scope, reassemble it, and nitrogen purge it, however, they cannot. Presumably, doing this would void your warranty.

 

[carbonbased]

Christ that Paramount Tactical interviewer dude is like twice the size of the ZCO fella. Jeez.

 

[ReturnFire]

I watched that whole video thinking they would discuss the FOV issue lol Spoiler…they don’t

 

[GenericBadGuy]

I watched that whole video thinking they would discuss the FOV issue lol Spoiler…they don’t

Lied to... again .

 

[rbutcher]

Wait what? Can somebody give me the TLDR on this FOV issue?

 

[LeftyJason]

Wait what? Can somebody give me the TLDR on this FOV issue?

FOV issues and patents

I realize this has been discussed in some detail but this isn’t necessarily about the absurd, imo, patent by a certain company. This is about other companies adhering to it but not giving a disclaimer to potential buyers. So say I buy a new Schmidt, a zeiss v8, a tt, or some other 3-5k optic...

www.snipershide.com

Will NF design a wide angle lens?

I keep wondering why tangent theta, Nightforce and zco are falling behind in the FOV department and no advertising or teasing that they have something in the works... I'd be super interested in that zco 8-40 if it could have the super large fov like kahles, S&B or March. also I wonder how much...

www.snipershide.com

Also discussed some in the New Kahles k328i thread. October ish time frame. Possible older.

 

[rbutcher]

So essentially my ZCO 5-27 and 8-40 have less FOV than they should or could because of Swarovski being dumb AF?

 

[Secant]

Wait what? Can somebody give me the TLDR on this FOV issue?

Swaro has a patent on FoV (Kahles is part of swaro, hence the K328i). It was challenged in Europe (I think by Leica?), and Leica(?) won. Nobody has challenged the patent in US.

Seems like at least some companies getting their scopes from Japan are taking the honey badger approach (March, I think G3 razor, etc). Other companies offer wide FoV outside US and restricted FoV within the US (ZCO, the new 6-36 S&B, etc).

Patent expires soon, and lots of people have hopes that many existing scopes will simply pull out a limiter and offer bigger FoV. That may or may not be the case.

 

[Guthwine]

So essentially my ZCO 5-27 and 8-40 have less FOV than they should or could because of Swarovski being dumb AF?

Allegedly!

But I am sure ZCO, Schmidt&Bender, March and all others will gladly share their patents with everyone to create a fair and safe market enviroment.

 

[rbutcher]

That’s so fucking dumb lol if Khales and Swaro actually made good scopes I’d care less about this. Wonder if ZCO would pull out the limiter for us.

 

[StrayDog]

That’s so fucking dumb lol if Khales and Swaro actually made good scopes I’d care less about this. Wonder if ZCO would pull out the limiter for us.

Doubt it, they won't swap old turrets to 10mil.