Picking up my new AAC-SD at the FFL soon; is the Hogue iovermold stock complete crap?

[scudzuki]

I plan to use this .308 for ringing steel and punching paper to 600 yards and possibly hunting.
Can it be made useable (bedding, etc.) or is it pretty much going to negate the potential accuracy of the barreled action?

I've been looking at what replacements cost; anything decent (T2A, etc.) costs more than the entire rifle cost, and I'm trying to keep the spending down on this one.

Joe

 

[drglock]

First thing I replaced on my sps tactical any other stock you like will be tons better than the hogue if you plan shooting of a bipod.
Just my 2 cents

 

[McCrazy]

The Hogue overmold stocks are exceptionally flimsy pieces of garbage. If you want hope at decent accuracy I would highly recommend pretty much any other stock but the one you have.

 

[Kid maker]

Sand down the part where it touches. Worked for me. It will serve you well until you replace it.

 

[Rogue111]

The Hogue is pretty crappy. Like the others said, you can make do but look at Bell & Carlson stocks for a relatively economic upgrade if the funds permit. Just my $0.02.

 

[HarryBallz2029]

As others said they are very flimsy, the AAC SD was the first bolt action I ever owned so I shot it stock quite a bit before upgrading. As long as you arent putting pressure on the bipod area of the stock your good otherwise the stock touches the barrel causing accuracy fluctuations. I would recommend a take off Remington 5R stock(HS Precision) from someone here on the hide or a Bell and Carlson is a budget route to go. When I eventually did go to a different stock I went with the Bell and Carlson M40 stock because it was cheap and there was a tremendous jump in consistancy going from the flimsy hogue to a fiberglass B&C. I would say get you something like the M40 and get a Timney trigger and you should have a good shooter.

 

[surfr716]

They arent great but theyll do for a while. Best thing to do with it is to take an aluminum can and create shims to raise the action. Cut about 6 small rectangles about an inch and a half by 3/4 of an inch. Remove the action from the stock and place a few shims between the action and recoil lug put the action back on and set it on a bipod, see if the barrel makes contact. If it does continue adding shims until it doesnt. That little piece of redneck gunsmithing, coued with properly torquing the action screws made my remington 223 go from 1.5" five shot group average to under half an inch. The stock has pillars to make it stronger around where the action is, problem is they don't relieve the barrel channel enough to float so you get inconsistent barrel pressure and as such you get inconsistent POI shifts. Once you float the barrel everything works..... for a while at least, then the barrel goes and the stock, and eventually its less remington than anything else

 

[turbo54]

Just shoot the damn thing for a while before screwing with it.

They'll usually shoot MOA or better as-is.

Spend money on it when you NEED to. You'll likely find it serves just fine even though it's not an "awesome" stock.

Have fun.

 

[scudzuki]

They arent great but theyll do for a while. Best thing to do with it is to take an aluminum can and create shims to raise the action. Cut about 6 small rectangles about an inch and a half by 3/4 of an inch. Remove the action from the stock and place a few shims between the action and recoil lug put the action back on and set it on a bipod, see if the barrel makes contact. If it does continue adding shims until it doesnt. That little piece of redneck gunsmithing, coued with properly torquing the action screws made my remington 223 go from 1.5" five shot group average to under half an inch. The stock has pillars to make it stronger around where the action is, problem is they don't relieve the barrel channel enough to float so you get inconsistent barrel pressure and as such you get inconsistent POI shifts. Once you float the barrel everything works..... for a while at least, then the barrel goes and the stock, and eventually its less remington than anything else

Well worth the effort, I'll start with this.

I never even shot my SPS with the factory stock and even refused to sell it to another Hider since it was not even worth shipping to him IMHO.

I see the HS Stocks come up for sale sometimes, been watching for one for cheap.
I tried out a 5R one time and was impressed with the rigidity of the forearm.

Joe

 

[Papa Zero Three]

Ya can polish a turn all you want but in the end, it's still a turd. Tying to make that stock better is an exercise in futility IMO. Shoot it and see what you get from it but the best bet is to put it in something else, anything else, other than that Hogue stock.

 

[Niles Coyote]

Just shoot the damn thing for a while before screwing with it.

They'll usually shoot MOA or better as-is.

Spend money on it when you NEED to. You'll likely find it serves just fine even though it's not an "awesome" stock.

Have fun.

Agree, both of mine shot fine, to about 200, after that I started noticing groups that where strings rather than nice round groups. But... keep in mind this was prone with a bipod. once I stopped supporting the stock on bags/bipod it grouped fine. It would make a fine hunting stock for standing or dropping down into a hasty field position.

 

[the once-ler]

Buy an AICS + jewell trigger cry a little, rub your butt.. and dont look back

 

[surfr716]

Ya can polish a turn all you want but in the end, it's still a turd. Tying to make that stock better is an exercise in futility IMO. Shoot it and see what you get from it but the best bet is to put it in something else, anything else, other than that Hogue stock.

Not everyone has the money to drop on a stock. If you do awesome but sometimes making your gear work is the better option. Is that stock ever going to be a manners, hell no, but making it a solid half moa shooter with just a few minutes time and some simple tools doesn't suck to bad either. That hogue may not be the best stock ever turned out but to call it a turd is a bit harsh and to put it bluntly ignorant.

 

[MosesTheTank]

Shooting my AAC-SD with a bipod caused the stock to touch the barrel and it went from a 1.5 MOA to a 2.5 MOA gun. It is not a quality stock. B&C makes a much better stock, but I went with a Manners T3 and had it bedded. I gained over 1 MOA just doing this. There are guys who have tried all sorts of modifications, some working better than others but none of them working as well as getting a better stock. I gave my Hogue to my dad and he went through all of these motions before I went and bought him the B&C with the aluminum block. I would have saved him lots of time of I had done this to begin with.

Edit, you might also find a good deal on a used HS stock from someone who upgraded their 5R. This stock would serve you well.

 

[Papa Zero Three]

Not everyone has the money to drop on a stock. If you do awesome but sometimes making your gear work is the better option. Is that stock ever going to be a manners, hell no, but making it a solid half moa shooter with just a few minutes time and some simple tools doesn't suck to bad either. That hogue may not be the best stock ever turned out but to call it a turd is a bit harsh and to put it bluntly ignorant.

I don't disagree with you on the some people not being able to put another stock on statement you made. However, spending the time and money to try and reengineer something that 's not going to get any better is like putting a band aid on a sucking chest wound. MosesThe tank's statement above spells it out as do others feedback in other threads on this specific stock's performance. You may not like my turd analogy but it's far from ignorant as it IS an accurate and factual statement about that stock, there is nothing you can do to make it better. I know from first hand experience as I have one sitting in a corner collecting dust because thats about all it's good for and I wouldn't think to sell it/give it away and put someone else through the same disappointment.

 

[TexasMade]

My buddy shot 1/2 moa all day running one with the factory stock, the only catch is it had a thunderbeast suppressor. I think he just got a really good one as it really impresses me. On another note, when I shot it prone, the stock completely sucked for me

 

[jlucas]

I don't disagree with you on the some people not being able to put another stock on statement you made. However, spending the time and money to try and reengineer something that 's not going to get any better is like putting a band aid on a sucking chest wound. MosesThe tank's statement above spells it out as do others feedback in other threads on this specific stock's performance. You may not like my turd analogy but it's far from ignorant as it IS an accurate and factual statement about that stock, there is nothing you can do to make it better. I know from first hand experience as I have one sitting in a corner collecting dust because thats about all it's good for and I wouldn't think to sell it/give it away and put someone else through the same disappointment.

You can make it better pretty easily, because it is pretty bad to begin with. If you don't have the spare cash to get the stock you want, I say spend $5 or $10 bucks to improve the Hogue with some shims and then shoot it while you save for the one you want. It might not be great, but it is definitely servicable.

 

[Landon]

I bought the same rifle and did not want to spend a lot of money. I messed with the idea of upgrading the hogue but could not really find a fix that was i was happy with doing.

I upgraded to an hs take off stock with bdl bottom metal for $200 from a member on the site. I shot it for a while then upgraded the bottom metal to a badger m5 when the funds became available. I just ordered the loggerhead cheek rest hardware from terry cross. This will be my last upgrade to this stock. I will shoot it for a while then when I can afford it upgrade to a high end stock. I will use the m5 bottom metal in the next stock so that is money well spent in my opinion.

As a side note on the hs bottom metal...I hade to Dremmel some material from the trigger area inside the stock where the trigger mechanism made contact. This was the first time I had that problem.

 

[surfr716]

I don't disagree with you on the some people not being able to put another stock on statement you made. However, spending the time and money to try and reengineer something that 's not going to get any better is like putting a band aid on a sucking chest wound. MosesThe tank's statement above spells it out as do others feedback in other threads on this specific stock's performance. You may not like my turd analogy but it's far from ignorant as it IS an accurate and factual statement about that stock, there is nothing you can do to make it better. I know from first hand experience as I have one sitting in a corner collecting dust because thats about all it's good for and I wouldn't think to sell it/give it away and put someone else through the same disappointment.

Ive spoken my piece and know for a fact that for 15 minutes worth of time and a coke can I can make the hogue stock shoot 1/2 moa. That's not conjecture or bias, thats a fact. If you think you can shoot better than that with the factory barrel IN ANY STOCK youre either a far better shot than most or a better liar. The original tubes as acceptable as the original stock, and trigger for that matter. That point made to say theres nothing to be done to improve the stock to be shootable is an ignorant statement

 

[Papa Zero Three]

Ive spoken my piece and know for a fact that for 15 minutes worth of time and a coke can I can make the hogue stock shoot 1/2 moa. That's not conjecture or bias, thats a fact. If you think you can shoot better than that with the factory barrel IN ANY STOCK youre either a far better shot than most or a better liar. The original tubes as acceptable as the original stock, and trigger for that matter. That point made to say theres nothing to be done to improve the stock to be shootable is an ignorant statement

That may be a fix for your rifle but as others have said and even as tested by Lonewolf and witnessed in the video he put out, it's not a good or consistent solution and that is fact supported by more than one source. Pouring time and money into trying to make the stock better IS a exercise in futility. By the time you are done pouring money into it to bed it or any other fix, you could have bought a take off stock from a different model for a couple hundred bucks and saved both time,headache and money. If you can do the coke can shim and get groups you're happy with, good for you, problem solved. But the reality is most people cannot get it to work to their satisfaction and or realize that it's a band aid on a sucking chest wound. I suggest you re-read this thread and count how many people say the same thing and then do a search and read the other threads where this very subject has been discussed and all agree that the best thing one can do is to forget trying to fix it and get rid of the houge stock when you can.

 

[surfr716]

That may be a fix for your rifle but as others have said and even as tested by Lonewolf and witnessed in the video he put out, it's not a good or consistent solution and that is fact supported by more than one source. Pouring time and money into trying to make the stock better IS a exercise in futility. By the time you are done pouring money into it to bed it or any other fix, you could have bought a take off stock from a different model for a couple hundred bucks and saved both time,headache and money. If you can do the coke can shim and get groups you're happy with, good for you, problem solved. But the reality is most people cannot get it to work to their satisfaction and or realize that it's a band aid on a sucking chest wound. I suggest you re-read this thread and count how many people say the same thing and then do a search and read the other threads where this very subject has been discussed and all agree that the best thing one can do is to forget trying to fix it and get rid of the houge stock when you can.

I would kindly suggest you re read the OPs original post, specifically the portion where he ask can anything be done to make the hogue usable, my answer being yes and yours the opposite, and the part where he says he wants to keep the cost down. Buying a new stock as opposed to improving upon the old one is slight less cost effective wouldnt you agree. I'm not saying the hogue is a good stock, its a small step from the garbage they put on the adl or sps, but if one were inclined to keep the cost down on the build or shoot while they wait to find a deal on a better stock the hogue can be made to shoot pretty damned good. Its not a perfect soloution but then compromises rarely are. I ended up changing mine over to a b and c medalist when I got the cash but it was awful nice to get some trigger time in while I waited to find a used one..

 

[Som3 Dude]

My ACC SD had problems until I replaced the stock. A B&C stock helped and didn't set me back much. I even gave the old stock to a friend to promptly gave it back because it made his rifle worse lol. It says something about a stock you can't give away lol

 

[ridenrunwv]

I have an AAC-SD that's only a month or so old and the Hogue stock is a big weak link. Have fired plenty of half inch thee round groups with the rifle but then might fire next two shots touching in same spot but a couple inches away from the first three in the five shot group.

It's frustrating to see such good potential in your rifle and the consistency not be there. New stock is on my short list of things to pick up.

 

[WG871]

I would definitely look into the Bell & Carlson stocks. I threw my hogue on eBay and got $80, this would help offset the cost of a B&C and keep budget.

 

[Big Phil]

Short answer no, but it'll make you work for it. I got sub MOA out of my 700 in a Hogue stock with hand loads. But I had a really good base and rings and shot from a bipod and rear bag. It's the whole Indian versus the arrow thing. I waited 4 months for my Manners stock and it was worth every day.

 

[vegasjeepguy]

I had feeding issues with the Hogue stock. Replaced it with a McMillan M40 stock and my feeding issues went away. Might have something to do with the McMillan being more rigid than the Hogue. I put the Hogue stock on Craigslist and ended up selling it for $80.00. Sold it to a guy that had unknowingly bought a "stolen" 700 from a local police officer. He had done a lot of custom work to include an AICS chassis. Long story short, he was told he needed to turn in a weapon that was functional so he needed a stock so he could pull the chassis.

 

[scudzuki]

A Hide member PMed me after reading this thread offering me a used HS Police stock, asking only that I pay the shipping. Thanks drglock! It arrived with a Krylon camo job and 2 holes through the stock once used to mount a comb (not included), just as described. I inletted it today for an M5 style DBM bottom metal from Stocky's and notched the feed ramp in the barreled action to accommodate cartridges loaded longer than 2.800". The scope is a Sightron SIII 3.5-10x42 mil/mil in Vortex tactical rings on a 20 MOA EGW rail pinned and mounted with oversize (#8-40) screws. I stole the Harris knockoff bipod off another rifle. I figure I'll dress it up with a stock pack; it's very comfortable as is so I don't see the need for an adjustable comb.

Headed to the range tomorrow with my wife so I'll send a few downrange to see if it shoots any better than it did with the original stock.

Joe

 

[Kid maker]

I got the Bell and Carlson Medalist M40 Varmint/Tactical. I think they lied on what it weighs. Came in yesterday. Happy to see there are good hide members helping out others.

 

[mzvarner]

Check out this link if you haven't already

"Budget Precision" Pt.4 - Bell & Carlson Stock Installation Remington 700 AAC-SD - YouTube

I did this same thing, and had pretty good results. However, I am pretty new and for my skill level I am pretty excited about what I can do

 

[Landon]

A Hide member PMed me after reading this thread offering me a used HS Police stock, asking only that I pay the shipping. Thanks drglock! It arrived with a Krylon camo job and 2 holes through the stock once used to mount a comb (not included), just as described. I inletted it today for an M5 style DBM bottom metal from Stocky's and notched the feed ramp in the barreled action to accommodate cartridges loaded longer than 2.800". The scope is a Sightron SIII 3.5-10x42 mil/mil in Vortex tactical rings on a 20 MOA EGW rail pinned and mounted with oversize (#8-40) screws. I stole the Harris knockoff bipod off another rifle. I figure I'll dress it up with a stock pack; it's very comfortable as is so I don't see the need for an adjustable comb.

Headed to the range tomorrow with my wife so I'll send a few downrange to see if it shoots any better than it did with the original stock.

Joe

The rifle looks good. I hope it shoots. You can fill the holes with epoxy and use a dab of tan paint to cover it up. No one would ever know.

That's really nice of someone to help you out too.

 

[Truth223]

A Hide member PMed me after reading this thread offering me a used HS Police stock, asking only that I pay the shipping. Thanks drglock! It arrived with a Krylon camo job and 2 holes through the stock once used to mount a comb (not included), just as described. I inletted it today for an M5 style DBM bottom metal from Stocky's and notched the feed ramp in the barreled action to accommodate cartridges loaded longer than 2.800". The scope is a Sightron SIII 3.5-10x42 mil/mil in Vortex tactical rings on a 20 MOA EGW rail pinned and mounted with oversize (#8-40) screws. I stole the Harris knockoff bipod off another rifle. I figure I'll dress it up with a stock pack; it's very comfortable as is so I don't see the need for an adjustable comb.

Headed to the range tomorrow with my wife so I'll send a few downrange to see if it shoots any better than it did with the original stock.

Joe

That is pretty cool. There are some really awesome people that post here. Let us know how it shoots. Im taking my aac-sd build to the range sunday to try and figure out which load this rifle likes.

 

[Papa Zero Three]

A Hide member PMed me after reading this thread offering me a used HS Police stock, asking only that I pay the shipping. Thanks drglock! It arrived with a Krylon camo job and 2 holes through the stock once used to mount a comb (not included), just as described. I inletted it today for an M5 style DBM bottom metal from Stocky's and notched the feed ramp in the barreled action to accommodate cartridges loaded longer than 2.800". The scope is a Sightron SIII 3.5-10x42 mil/mil in Vortex tactical rings on a 20 MOA EGW rail pinned and mounted with oversize (#8-40) screws. I stole the Harris knockoff bipod off another rifle. I figure I'll dress it up with a stock pack; it's very comfortable as is so I don't see the need for an adjustable comb.

Headed to the range tomorrow with my wife so I'll send a few downrange to see if it shoots any better than it did with the original stock.

Joe

+1, thats awesome. Kudos to the member who hooked you up and passed it on.