PISTOL BRACE

[AllenOne1]

Being 45 years in age and given the fact I started shooting in Boy Scouts, I've given money to many pro 2A groups thru the years. Even though my local gun club is NRA affiliated, I helped get the Board to recognize non NRA Memberships. I have not cared about a single pro 2A group after talking with GOA. GOA is not too far behind the NRA when it comes to helping out Clubs. Most of these 2A groups are just a profit center like BLM.

Since I have 7 pistol braces, my first being 10yrs old, I figured why not help the little guy who told the ATF to pound sand. A $200 tax stamp on an SBR is ridiculous, as It can no longer be carried loaded in my vehicle. While I live in Michigan, I would rather push back on
our current Political Hacks than just roll over.

You bring up a good point about being able to carry an SBR loaded in your car. State laws vary but if the classification has now moved from a pistol to a rifle the ability to carry it in a vehicle loaded may have also changed.

We already know that if they are classified as an SBR they can't be taken across state lines without a permission slip, nor can they be sold without processing a transfer through the ATF.

Since this issue is in such flux right now I would say "caution" is the word of the day.

 

[ToddM]

The problem is that gun owners don't have a fuck the ATF mindset, otherwise we'd all have homemade SBRs and Silencers etc. Instead we have threads bragging about "my new can in jail right now".

It actually goes much deeper than this, and it's only going to get worse for us.

Republicans and many of us pro-gun folks in general sit in a very self-righteous mindset. We assume everyone that doesn't agree with us is an idiot, we insult them, we belittle them, and we either dismiss or ignore them. Since we feel so strongly we are right, and it's so black and white/obvious to us we are right, we sit back and figure everyone else will figure out we're right sooner or later. There's almost no large scale Republican efforts to get their message across, you have what the NRA, Fox news, and a few hunting shows basically no one watches except hunters. The only significant thing I've seen in the last couple decades to increase the gun ownership message to kids is getting Trap shooting into high schools as a scholastic program.

Democrats and anti-gun folks have played a much smarter long game. They've spent their time and resources the last 3+ decades buying the news outlets, buying the media, they control tv shows, influencers, movies and the messages they deliver. Their message is delivered to our kids with 87% of teachers being democrats K-12 and 90% in college. K-12 alone that's ~11,000 hours of direct access time those teachers have to influence children with their views. They do a much better job marketing their agenda to young folks with social media etc. in subtle ways. Call it unfair, brain washing, etc. they are "growing" more people that see things their way because they spent the $ to engrain their messages in subtle ways into everyone's daily lives, especially young children and young adults who are so easily manipulated by people they are taught to trust and look up to, teachers.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

I wouldn't be surprised, and I'm not a lawyer, and I didn't stay in a Holiday Inn last night, if only members that were part of FPC at the time of the injunction (not joined after) would be covered. Either way I bet FPC's membership fund is very pleased with all those new sign ups and their membership marketing strategy.

Yeah
This
P.T. Barnum was a novice compared to these jackals.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

The problem is that gun owners don't have a fuck the ATF mindset, otherwise we'd all have homemade SBRs and Silencers etc. Instead we have threads bragging about "my new can in jail right now".

"Actuallyyy"
Lots of people have a fuck the AFT mindset.
They aren't stupid, so they don't leave evidence "laying around" the internet.

 

[SilentStalkr]

I wouldn't be surprised, and I'm not a lawyer, and I didn't stay in a Holiday Inn last night, if only members that were part of FPC at the time of the injunction (not joined after) would be covered. Either way I bet FPC's membership fund is very pleased with all those new sign ups and their membership marketing strategy.

This.

Again, this appears to be a very simplistic approach to a very complicated issue. Tell you what, I'll wait until you march down Pennsylvania Ave with your pistol that has the nasty illegal pistol brace on it. Once you tell them all about the 2A, I'm sure the LE in Washington DC will run away and make the ATF remove those mean words from their illegal proclamation. Let me know when you're going, I'll watch the news.

There is a big difference between being smart and stupid. With that said I’m glad some people back in the day had some stones, more so than anyone today. Otherwise we wouldn’t have had any freedoms today, at all.

Now as far as the FPC is concerned, it’s a noble cause and I’m glad to donate money to it, but there is a big difference in ethical and unethical ways of marketing. Let me explain.

I’m betting that the clarification only applies to members at the time everything was filed. I haven’t read it but it’s the only thing that makes logical sense. Either that or the judge is an idiot or there is something larger at play here. Surely he would have the mental capacity to know that if you made the injunction apply to any and all past, present and future members then not only do I have no idea how you would enforce such a thing but it would completely make the rule null and void on its surface as FPC could make their membership $1 and people could buy their way out of this stupid rule, forever. Still pay for play by the way. And I doubt that is his reasoning because if it was then he would have had the stones to go ahead and say this is unconstitutional and apply to everyone.

By saying any members of FPC will be protected forever then it’s literally no different than just doing away with the rule completely. So why not say so? Either it doesn’t apply the way FPC is marketing it here or there is a larger play. You got to be smarter here than the avg YouTuber.

If you want to donate, then by all means do so, but don’t do it because it’s going to somehow magically protect you from this rule. The only true way out of this is either people stand up in mass and say no, like prohibition era people or the Supreme Court recognizes what it is, does the right thing and strikes it down. At minimum it should be struck down as an abuse of power from an agency that has no such authority to unilaterally make an entire segment of this countries population criminals overnight by some simple rule change that they literally have given zero public outreach on and only 3 months to comply. That my friend is bullshit. Lots of old guys that have these things don’t even know this is going on.

Sincerely,

George Washington Jr.

 

[charbroiled]

There is a big difference between being smart and stupid. With that said I’m glad some people back in the day had some stones, more so than anyone today. Otherwise we wouldn’t have had any freedoms today, at all.

I'm with you 1000% on the above. As another poster pointed out above, quarreling amongst ourselves is unproductive. We need to stick together on returning to a strong Constitutional government, not just on the 2A. I understand your argument and hope we can have healthy discussions on these issues. Now I need to go learn how to have healthy discussions. Back in 50 years or so....

 

[ToddM]

Yeah
This
P.T. Barnum was a novice compared to these jackals.

Yep, to be fair in this day and age the way things are going for gun owners we should support any group trying to fight for our side, even if they profit doing it. It does sound like the FPC is making an effort to get clarification on exactly who the ruling applies to.

The NRA is hardly what I'd call upstanding in it's own right, I get monthly fear based marking mailings telling me I need to renew my membership now before it runs out, meanwhile my membership is good till almost 2026. You have to wonder how many folks just renew long before they really need to based on those.

 

[Downtown]

Yep, to be fair in this day and age the way things are going for gun owners we should support any group trying to fight for our side, even if they profit doing it. It does sound like the FPC is making an effort to get clarification on exactly who the ruling applies to.

The NRA is hardly what I'd call upstanding in it's own right, I get monthly fear based marking mailings telling me I need to renew my membership now before it runs out, meanwhile my membership is good till almost 2026. You have to wonder how many folks just renew long before they really need to based on those.

Ha! I receive those fear based mailings pushed for renewal and I'm a life member. They've apparently come up with a membership longer than life!

 

[Longshot231]

 

[BCP]

I don't see it applying retroactively since that would be a defacto nationwide stay on enforcement.

If you were a member of FPC at the time of filing maybe. Could also mean the attorneys and employees of FPC and their families.

 

[Longshot231]

I don't see it applying retroactively since that would be a defacto nationwide stay on enforcement.

If you were a member of FPC at the time of filing maybe. Could also mean the attorneys and employees of FPC and their families.

Agreed. However, I still gave FPC $50. It's better than giving that money to the NRA who uses the money buy a knife to stick in our back.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

Well, there is one thing I'm glad hasn't failed me.
I have an excellent memory, and it is still quite intact. Everyone keeps talking about Wayne's expensive suits.
Thats how you think the NRA has fucked you?

Lots of folks it seems are still content to slip their money under the door of these whorehouses.

Its ALL a money racket.

No need to jump around and hoot and holler about it now.
Your republic, is dead.
While we cheered on our troops in foreign wars, and athletes in the arenas, slimey men have usurped the will of the people and raided the coffers of this once great nation.
Bread and circuses.

 

[carbonbased]

Might want to give these a full listen:

 

[SilentStalkr]

Hello felons!

 

[jMarine]

Hello felons!

Shhhhh. They’re watching!

 

[nikerret]

Hello felons!

Not felons until convicted. Felons in waiting, maybe?

 

[psharon78]

Pretty dumb move from the Biden AFT. By declaring that pistols with braces suddenly become SBRs, and the fact that there are 10-40 million SBRs with pistol braces, it could be a way to remove SBRs entirely from NFA because now, NFA is in violation of the recent supreme court decisions with regards to common use.

If Biden and his ilk were smarter, they would have just gone after binary triggers and left it at that.

 

[NoDopes]

GOA members have injunction as well.

Pair with a Made in Texas suppressor, golden.

 

[NoDopes]

Pretty dumb move from the Biden AFT. By declaring that pistols with braces suddenly become SBRs, and the fact that there are 10-40 million SBRs with pistol braces, it could be a way to remove SBRs entirely from NFA because now, NFA is in violation of the recent supreme court decisions with regards to common use.

If Biden and his ilk were smarter, they would have just gone after binary triggers and left it at that.

The entire NFA is in violation.

 

[darkfader]

If Biden and his ilk were smarter, they would have just gone after binary triggers and left it at that.

I’d bet triggers are common use too using the taser precedent.

 

[psharon78]

The entire NFA is in violation.

Completely agree. If Congress and the President took their oaths seriously, not just the NFA would be on the chopping block, but red flag laws, the Patriot Act, multiple bank laws that give the government information on tracking financial transaction, would all be repealed.

 

[nikonNUT]

GOA members have injunction as well.

Pair with a Made in Texas suppressor, golden.

Second Amendment Foundation got a PI as well!

 

[Shooter McGavin]

I think the judges should have gone all the way to cover everyone with the injunction. To just give it to FPC, GOA and a few others is bullshit. I am saying that as a member of GOA and FPC.

 

[Longshot231]

 

[BurtG]

The only significant thing I've seen in the last couple decades to increase the gun ownership message to kids is getting Trap shooting into high schools as a scholastic program.

We should all be donating money to video game companies

Kids playing shooting games have led to more gun owners than any other source.

It’s a godsend






I send money to SAF and GOA.
F the Negotiating Rights Away

Any other good places ?

 

[BurtG]

I think the judges should have gone all the way to cover everyone with the injunction. To just give it to FPC, GOA and a few others is bullshit. I am saying that as a member of GOA and FPC.

It’s a great thing. These groups actually fight for our rights.

Mfers spend $10,000 on rifles and $30-80 a box for bullets and can’t be bothered to spend $30 a year on fighting back the Commies in court ??

The money will help fight them more

 

[carbonbased]

We should all be donating money to video game companies

Kids playing shooting games have led to more gun owners than any other source.

It’s a godsend






I send money to SAF and GOA.
F the Negotiating Rights Away

Any other good places ?

The FPC (firearms policy coalition). They got the first injunction on the brace thing.

Firearms Policy Coalition

FPC is a coalition of hundreds of thousands of Patriots organizing to take back our Constitution and defend the inalienable, fundamental, and individual right to keep and bear arms.

www.firearmspolicy.org

 

[wade2big]

It’s a great thing. These groups actually fight for our rights.

Mfers spend $10,000 on rifles and $30-80 a box for bullets and can’t be bothered to spend $30 a year on fighting back the Commies in court ??

The money will help fight them more

They litigate our privileges in court. “Rights” is misnomer. No such thing. None of it would be necessary if the millions of people wise enough to own guns would refuse to kneel to their rulers and stop respecting their badged thugs, you know the men who force the will of tyrants (gov’t) onto others for a paycheck.

As it sits, the tax slave fears the gov’ts police. If it were ever the other way around in which every law enforcement department couldn’t fill a fraction of their staff out of fear, we would have the small and accountable gov’t we should. Without the political/corporate class’s armed guards serving, protecting, and committing violence on behalf of the state, power would be with the people. Men could defend their families and neighborhoods without fear of the “legal” system. Do you think the covid tyranny and murders would have ever happened? What about fake as fuck elections and the unnecessary wars taking the lives of brainwashed and naive young men? Would the southern invasion even be a thing? I know the grooming of children wouldn’t be happening if these pedophiles weren’t protected by the gov’ts police and the “rule of law” people so stupidly believe in.

Unfortunately most people don’t really value freedom as they would rather have the false sense of security and the illusion of law and order that the gov’ts police pretend to provide while they are protecting the status quo and overseeing the destruction of everything many of us hold dear. Back the gov’ts blue only if you like the current and future state of affairs.

 

[Inifinty]

It’s a great thing. These groups actually fight for our rights.

Mfers spend $10,000 on rifles and $30-80 a box for bullets and can’t be bothered to spend $30 a year on fighting back the Commies in court ??

The money will help fight them more

I’d want my club dues back based on performance then.

They should have argued for all Americans.

Had they done that, then they’d get more support.

 

[carbonbased]

They litigate our privileges in court. “Rights” is misnomer. No such thing. None of it would be necessary if the millions of people wise enough to own guns would refuse to kneel to their rulers and stop respecting their badged thugs, you know the men who force the will of tyrants (gov’t) onto others for a paycheck.

I mean this in the most encouraging and positive way possible.

The point here that @BurtG is making is that, like it or not, this is the system in which we live. Before getting too down in the mouth, remember that it’s literally one of the best legal systems on earth.

Our legal system and protections make our mother Britain’s seem pale and weak, and compared to China, Russia, or North Korea’s? Ha!

It would be great if everything always worked out in one’s favor, if everyone agreed as to what is just and good. Specifically here, if everyone read the plain text of the second amendment and agreed on its meaning.

But that is a fantasyland.

In the end, in the real end, one owes you anything.

Not your parents, your siblings, your spouse, or your children. And certainly not the legal system or your government. No one really owes you anything.

Peeling decorous language aside, all rights in this world are temporary, subject to the whims of one’s leaders (or parents!).

So what to do? ENGAGE. Here, you must engage in the legal “field of battle” to vigorously advocate and defend the rights that you believe you have.

For if you sit back, inactive, complaining, and merely wish for your utopian world, the real world will steamroll you flat. Not engaging, in a legal manner (joining/donating 2nd amendment groups) is like hiding in a foxhole while your brothers rush forward.

For some time, young America tried to engage, legally, with Britain with regards to its objections. Only once all hope was lost and enough people joined forces was the physical battle enjoined.

But do not be fooled by whatever echo-chamber you may have sealed yourself in…we are not even close to a point where our very first forefathers found themselves.

Instead, be useful and engage legally by joining groups that fight for you. If you have the time and resources, also engage with giving your time. And if you are fortunate, help by sharing your knowledge with these groups (FPC, GOA, SAF), be it legal, organizational, strategic, or otherwise.

Or lay curled in your metaphorical foxhole, cursing the sun and the moon and the stars as to why you are in this mess, all the while the battle rages in every direction around you.

Again, I mean this in the most encouraging and positive way possible.

 

[BurtG]

They litigate our privileges in court. “Rights” is misnomer. No such thing. None of it would be necessary if the millions of people wise enough to own guns would refuse to kneel to their rulers and stop respecting their badged thugs, you know the men who force the will of tyrants (gov’t) onto others for a paycheck.

As it sits, the tax slave fears the gov’ts police. If it were ever the other way around in which every law enforcement department couldn’t fill a fraction of their staff out of fear, we would have the small and accountable gov’t we should. Without the political/corporate class’s armed guards serving, protecting, and committing violence on behalf of the state, power would be with the people. Men could defend their families and neighborhoods without fear of the “legal” system. Do you think the covid tyranny and murders would have ever happened? What about fake as fuck elections and the unnecessary wars taking the lives of brainwashed and naive young men? Would the southern invasion even be a thing? I know the grooming of children wouldn’t be happening if these pedophiles weren’t protected by the gov’ts police and the “rule of law” people so stupidly believe in.

Unfortunately most people don’t really value freedom as they would rather have the false sense of security and the illusion of law and order that the gov’ts police pretend to provide while they are protecting the status quo and overseeing the destruction of everything many of us hold dear. Back the gov’ts blue only if you like the current and future state of affairs.

Really ? Throwing that at me?

As the m14 guy in shotgun news would say
“If you won’t fight the soft (easy) war , you’ll never do anything in the hard war”

 

[carbonbased]

I’d want my club dues back based on performance then.

They should have argued for all Americans.

Had they done that, then they’d get more support.

The groups did argue for a nationwide injunction. Judges issue injunctions, the plaintiffs or defendants merely request them.

It is the judges themselves who limited the scope of their own issued injunctions.

 

[wade2big]

Really ? Throwing that at me?

As the m14 guy in shotgun news would say
“If you won’t fight the soft (easy) war , you’ll never do anything in the hard war”

I didn’t throw it at you. I piggy backed off of your post to make a point. Nothing more. I saw too many faggots wearing masks for (insert excuse here) to think any meaningful resistance would ever be taken up. I see sending money to these institutions the same as I see writing your “representatives”. It’s all nonsense. The solution is so simple.

 

[BurtG]

I see sending money to these institutions the same as I see writing your “representatives”.

Theee groups are winning massively in courts. Effectively beating tyranny back and ensuring there are more guns in people’s hands. Which will be a big help if / when it goes hot

 

[carbonbased]

I didn’t throw it at you. I piggy backed off of your post to make a point. Nothing more. I saw too many faggots wearing masks for (insert excuse here) to think any meaningful resistance would ever be taken up. I see sending money to these institutions the same as I see writing your “representatives”. It’s all nonsense. The solution is so simple.

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Positive thinking man, try more positive thinking.

Disengaging and walking away are akin to deserting. Are you hoping by deserting that enough join you? That, by deserting, the other sides wins and then this motley band of disheartened withdrawers will somehow rise up with actual weapons?

Sure, fighting a legal battle from the sidelines by contributing money and writing to representatives is quite unsatisfying. It’s like being a penpal to a dolphin; you send checks and letters, sealed in bottles, thrown into the sea. And never do you hear back (in a personal way).

But walking away just makes the other side stronger. And your side weaker.

If one refuses to engage in the legal battle, then engage positively some other way. Start a video channel, a newsletter, write a column, do outreach with those on the other side to show them guns are not to fear. Something.

It all requires persuasion, be it written, spoken, or of the legal variety.

 

[carbonbased]

Edit to my post above:

Sometimes all it takes is for you to make a positive impression upon just one person.

A metaphor for this behavior is that a butterfly flapping its wings in Brazil can cause a tornado in Texas. (stolen from Wikipedia)

Chaos theory

Chaos theory - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

If talking, writing, or lawyering aren’t your thing, then take your grandson out shooting. Be respectful to landowners when hunting. Something.

Something positive.

 

[carbonbased]

For example, this lady is decidedly not positive.

She is not persuasive. She gets almost nothing done for her side, for her agenda. She may feel righteous, but the needle is not moved.

Catch more flies with honey than with vinegar and all that.

 

[wade2big]

I mean this in the most encouraging and positive way possible.

The point here that @BurtG is making is that, like it or not, this is the system in which we live. Before getting too down in the mouth, remember that it’s literally one of the best legal systems on earth.

Our legal system and protections make our mother Britain’s seem pale and weak, and compared to China, Russia, or North Korea’s? Ha!

It would be great if everything always worked out in one’s favor, if everyone agreed as to what is just and good. Specifically here, if everyone read the plain text of the second amendment and agreed on its meaning.

But that is a fantasyland.

In the end, in the real end, one owes you anything.

Not your parents, your siblings, your spouse, or your children. And certainly not the legal system or your government. No one really owes you anything.

Peeling decorous language aside, all rights in this world are temporary, subject to the whims of one’s leaders (or parents!).

So what to do? ENGAGE. Here, you must engage in the legal “field of battle” to vigorously advocate and defend the rights that you believe you have.

For if you sit back, inactive, complaining, and merely wish for your utopian world, the real world will steamroll you flat. Not engaging, in a legal manner (joining/donating 2nd amendment groups) is like hiding in a foxhole while your brothers rush forward.

For some time, young America tried to engage, legally, with Britain with regards to its objections. Only once all hope was lost and enough people joined forces was the physical battle enjoined.

But do not be fooled by whatever echo-chamber you may have sealed yourself in…we are not even close to a point where our very first forefathers found themselves.

Instead, be useful and engage legally by joining groups that fight for you. If you have the time and resources, also engage with giving your time. And if you are fortunate, help by sharing your knowledge with these groups (FPC, GOA, SAF), be it legal, organizational, strategic, or otherwise.

Or lay curled in your metaphorical foxhole, cursing the sun and the moon and the stars as to why you are in this mess, all the while the battle rages in every direction around you.

Again, I mean this in the most encouraging and positive way possible.

We are well passed the situation where the founders found themselves in. Well passed. I respect those men for standing up and then defending themselves when it was necessary. That’s where my respect ends.

I fully understand the system in which we are manipulated and controlled by and I’m well aware of the immoral people who make a living willfully empowering it. This is why I advocate against it so much and so often. It’s fucking evil and its whole purpose of being is for a few to rule over many using violence and terror as the way to accomplish this goal. I only wish I or others who aren’t brainwashed as to believe there is any path forward working within the confines of the slack in our chains allowed by those who make the rules and laws while pretending to represent us. I really believe those of you who still respect any authority forced upon us against our will are the ones who can’t grasp reality.

How many more wars fought for nothing will it take? How many more covid murders and business closures? What about take as fuck elections? Is that not enough. How many more millions of foreign invaders will it take to shake ya’ll awake? Will 1,000 political prisoners do it or will it take a million? The manipulated markets and pay to play hasn’t done it so the death of capitalism didn’t do it. Intentional inflation and taxation seems acceptable. Mass surveillance and censorship doesn’t excite you. Maybe getting butt diddled randomly on the streets i stead of just at airports will change a mind. You guys tell me what it will take? And I’m supposed to be the crazy one living in fantasy land. Maybe ya’ll are right, just send $20 a month of the money not stolen via armed robbery by LEO to some organization as that’s the way really make a difference. Speaking truth to change a manipulated mind does seem foolish after all.

 

[Animal357]

I ended up removing the brace instead of registering. Glad I did because these recent injunctions are a signal the ATF is going to get what they are due. I want to keep these as pistols, not SBRs

 

[carbonbased]

We are well passed the situation where the founders found themselves in.

Think about that for a second.

Write down exactly what were the injustices to the Americans at of the time of the Revolution.

Then write down what specific injustices you feel. Then write down the injustices you can prove.

Have you had to board and feed a British soldier in your homestead? (like outbuildings)

Is it really worse now?

Perhaps you are a historian, and if so, my apologies. I’m definitely no historian, so this was interesting to read to see what was happening at the time of the American Revolution.

Overview | The American Revolution, 1763 - 1783 | U.S. History Primary Source Timeline | Classroom Materials at the Library of Congress | Library of Congress

Until the end of the Seven Years' War in 1763, few colonists in British North America objected to their place in the British Empire.

www.loc.gov

Edit: here is a list of the so-called “Intolerable Acts” that eventually caused the American Revolution:

Intolerable Acts - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[TxWelder35]

Think about that for a second.

Write down exactly what were the injustices to the Americans at of the time of the Revolution.

Then write down what specific injustices you feel. Then write down the injustices you can prove.

Have you had to board and feed a British soldier in your homestead? (like outbuildings)

Is it really worse now?

Perhaps you are a historian, and if so, my apologies. I’m definitely no historian, so this was interesting to read to see what was happening at the time of the American Revolution.

Overview | The American Revolution, 1763 - 1783 | U.S. History Primary Source Timeline | Classroom Materials at the Library of Congress | Library of Congress

Until the end of the Seven Years' War in 1763, few colonists in British North America objected to their place in the British Empire.

www.loc.gov

Edit: here is a list of the so-called “Intolerable Acts” that eventually caused the American Revolution:

Intolerable Acts - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

How about stealing 30-50% of your income.

 

[carbonbased]

How about stealing 30-50% of your income.

Ok, add that to your list. But be honest, write down everything now and everything then.

Stealing, however, means taking without giving anything in return. I like roads, airports, our Army/Navy/Marines/Air Force, nuclear power, the internet, TV, radio, electricity (and especially rural electric), subsidies for small farmers, safe water, etc etc etc.

Just be honest with yourself. No need to argue with me. Whatever you want, advocate for it. If you want to make the most difference, try advocating in a positive manner.

That’s all I’m saying.

Life is suffering, with little bits of happiness interspersed. Accept it and try to make a difference. We are all going to die.

 

[wade2big]

Think about that for a second.

Write down exactly what were the injustices to the Americans at of the time of the Revolution.

Then write down what specific injustices you feel. Then write down the injustices you can prove.

Have you had to board and feed a British soldier in your homestead? (like outbuildings)

Is it really worse now?

Perhaps you are a historian, and if so, my apologies. I’m definitely no historian, so this was interesting to read to see what was happening at the time of the American Revolution.

Overview | The American Revolution, 1763 - 1783 | U.S. History Primary Source Timeline | Classroom Materials at the Library of Congress | Library of Congress

Until the end of the Seven Years' War in 1763, few colonists in British North America objected to their place in the British Empire.

www.loc.gov

Edit: here is a list of the so-called “Intolerable Acts” that eventually caused the American Revolution:

Intolerable Acts - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

You didn’t respond to my main argument. Feel free. The little snippet you picked out means nothing. A man has to overlook a lot to back the blue, thank a soldier, write his representatives, respect the “rule of law” and the romanticized constitution that means little to nothing other than a propaganda piece.

 

[carbonbased]

You didn’t respond to my main argument. Feel free. The little snippet you picked out means nothing. A man has to overlook a lot to back the blue, thank a soldier, write his representatives, respect the “rule of law” and the romanticized constitution that means little to nothing other than a propaganda piece.

To be honest, I’m not sure what your main argument is, exactly.

But hey, I’m not here to argue with you. My message was just to look on the bright side and try to stay positive. Lord knows it’s hard. Keep trying. Gallows humor is at least humor…

 

[wade2big]

To be honest, I’m not sure what your main argument is, exactly.

But hey, I’m not here to argue with you. My message was just to look on the bright side and try to stay positive. Lord knows it’s hard. Keep trying. Gallows humor is at least humor…

If you would have read past the first paragraph in post #892 then you would. I use the words argument/discussion/debate interchangeably when two or more people are speaking with differing opinions or perspective.

 

[wade2big]

I read it. EXACTLY WHAT would you like us to do? What is PAST IS PAST. I can only deal with the now and the future. I don't do reparations...

 

[Daddyusmaximus]

 

[carbonbased]

If you would have read past the first paragraph in post #892 then you would. I use the words argument/discussion/debate interchangeably when two or more people are speaking with differing opinions or perspective.

Yeah man, I know that’s where your, uh, argument is. Locating the text isn’t the problem.

I’ve tried to approach this forthrightly to clarify what the heck you are trying to say. Here’s what I got out of it (and I struggled mightily to piece this together):

2nd paragraph summary:
I (wade) am in a system:

• Whose purpose is for the few to rule the many
  • The system controls everyone
  • It is run by immoral people & is evil
  • It is run via violence/terror

I (wade):

• Am not brainwashed
• Advocate against this system often

If:

• You think everything is ok, you do not see the true reality of the situation and are brainwashed

Therefore:

• (Ed – I think you are saying the following, but am not sure as sentence structure hinders comprehension) There is no path forward from within the system

3rd paragraph summary:
Evidence by wade to above positions:

• Many wars have been fought for nothing
• Covid murders & biz closures
• Fake elections
• Foreign invaders
• 1000 political prisoners
• Manipulated markets
• Pay to play
• Death of capitalism
• Intentional inflation & taxation
• Mass surveillance & censorship

3rd paragraph argument summary (by wade)

• Thus, sending money to the SAF/GOA/FPC is foolish (i.e. working within the system doesn’t work)
• Will being randomly butt-diddled in the street shake you awake?
• I (wade) am trying to speak the truth, but since you are brainwashed, you cannot comprehend it. Perhaps I (wade) am foolish even for trying.

So, you’ve laid out an argument that this government/society is all-seeing, all-knowing, controls almost everyone, almost everything, murders citizens & locks them up with impunity, censors almost everything, capitalism is dead, recent wars are fake, elections are fake, the economy is fake, govt is unleashing foreign invaders…

…basically everything is all a lie and a charade…

Logically, man, with your clarity of mind, you are in grave danger.


For posterity:

We are well passed the situation where the founders found themselves in. Well passed. I respect those men for standing up and then defending themselves when it was necessary. That’s where my respect ends.

I fully understand the system in which we are manipulated and controlled by and I’m well aware of the immoral people who make a living willfully empowering it. This is why I advocate against it so much and so often. It’s fucking evil and its whole purpose of being is for a few to rule over many using violence and terror as the way to accomplish this goal. I only wish I or others who aren’t brainwashed as to believe there is any path forward working within the confines of the slack in our chains allowed by those who make the rules and laws while pretending to represent us. I really believe those of you who still respect any authority forced upon us against our will are the ones who can’t grasp reality.

How many more wars fought for nothing will it take? How many more covid murders and business closures? What about take as fuck elections? Is that not enough. How many more millions of foreign invaders will it take to shake ya’ll awake? Will 1,000 political prisoners do it or will it take a million? The manipulated markets and pay to play hasn’t done it so the death of capitalism didn’t do it. Intentional inflation and taxation seems acceptable. Mass surveillance and censorship doesn’t excite you. Maybe getting butt diddled randomly on the streets i stead of just at airports will change a mind. You guys tell me what it will take? And I’m supposed to be the crazy one living in fantasy land. Maybe ya’ll are right, just send $20 a month of the money not stolen via armed robbery by LEO to some organization as that’s the way really make a difference. Speaking truth to change a manipulated mind does seem foolish after all.

 

[wade2big]

Yeah man, I know that’s where your, uh, argument is. Locating the text isn’t the problem.

I’ve tried to approach this forthrightly to clarify what the heck you are trying to say. Here’s what I got out of it (and I struggled mightily to piece this together):

2nd paragraph summary:
I (wade) am in a system:

• Whose purpose is for the few to rule the many
  • The system controls everyone
  • It is run by immoral people & is evil
  • It is run via violence/terror

I (wade):

• Am not brainwashed
• Advocate against this system often

If:

• You think everything is ok, you do not see the true reality of the situation and are brainwashed

Therefore:

• (Ed – I think you are saying the following, but am not sure as sentence structure hinders comprehension) There is no path forward from within the system

3rd paragraph summary:
Evidence by wade to above positions:

• Many wars have been fought for nothing
• Covid murders & biz closures
• Fake elections
• Foreign invaders
• 1000 political prisoners
• Manipulated markets
• Pay to play
• Death of capitalism
• Intentional inflation & taxation
• Mass surveillance & censorship

3rd paragraph argument summary (by wade)

• Thus, sending money to the SAF/GOA/FPC is foolish (i.e. working within the system doesn’t work)
• Will being randomly butt-diddled in the street shake you awake?
• I (wade) am trying to speak the truth, but since you are brainwashed, you cannot comprehend it. Perhaps I (wade) am foolish even for trying.

So, you’ve laid out an argument that this government/society is all-seeing, all-knowing, controls almost everyone, almost everything, murders citizens & locks them up with impunity, censors almost everything, capitalism is dead, recent wars are fake, elections are fake, the economy is fake, govt is unleashing foreign invaders…

…basically everything is all a lie and a charade…

Logically, man, with your clarity of mind, you are in grave danger.


For posterity:

Vote harder and maybe you guys can get a republican majority and fix it all. It will work this time I’m sure. Pay your $20 monthly dues and pretend hou are fighting the good fight……….It’s absolutely mind boggling to me what guys can rationalize inside their own heads in order to not have to face reality.

 

[carbonbased]

Vote harder and maybe you guys can get a republican majority and fix it all. It will work this time I’m sure…… It’s absolutely mind boggling to me what guys can rationalize inside their own heads in order to not have to face reality.

With your world-view, how can you believe any Republican-controlled government ever existed?

In some deep cave inside a granite mountain, warning lights are going off in an unnamed ultra-secret government agency.

I hope you make it wade. Fight hard. Stay safe. Never give up. Shelter in place. Carpe diem. Lorem ipsum dolar.