Re: Piston vs Gas for an AR???
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cox380</div><div class="ubbcode-body">BMC yes, but last I checked LMT's start at 1300+ and <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">DD start at 150</span>0+ </span>and if you want the bells and wistles you're right in LWRC and POF range.
What I'm saying is that you don't need to spend $2000 on a a piston rifle like a lot of people think you do. You can get a stag, M&P, Sig, etc for much cheaper and still have a high quallity and reliable piston gun. </div></div>
I certainly wouldn't go so far as to call Stag or M&P reliable piston guns. I'm sure some people have had good ones, but I would not consider them battle worthy at all. As for Ruger or Sig pistons, I wouldn't consider them battle reliable either. They may be good, but you're talking like they're the same level as LMT, POF, or LWRC; and I don't make that connection at all.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kimberseries1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
That's just not factual, DD's can be had in the $1,200 and up range as well, I've seen as low as $1,100 new. The BCM I bought was $1,050 brand new from a store. They sell online as well, but I'm not sure I'm allowed to say those kinds of things on here without stepping on toes......
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cox380</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Like I said...yes with the BCM. BCM is not in the same level of quality as DD, LMT, etc <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">IMO</span></span>. But I gotta call BS on the new DD for $1100. Maybe a couple years ago. PM me the link and I'll digress</div></div></div></div>
PM coming.....and specifically there are DD's for $1050, $1100, and SEVERAL from $1200.
Also, not trying to start an Eric Cartman flame war, but I'm looking for your opinion on how BCM is not up to the same quality as DD.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cox380</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
As for LMT... their Defender Piston 16 model(msrp $2117.00) is only $200 more than the same Defender 16 model in DI(msrp $1892.00). So to say a DI LMT is WAY less than a Piston LMT is only true is your talking about a DI basic patol model and a Enhanced Piston model. That to me is apples to oranges. For someone to say a DI LMT can be had for x amount of money...as soon as LMT makes a piston basic patrol model it won't be much more. Of coarse they came out with the Piston model only available in the enhanced version first. Just like most other companys did. They will probably come out with the basic patrol piston model down the road.</div></div>
I'm sure the LMT DI for $1,800 is fine, but unless I'm buying a Noveske, I'm not paying above $1,400 for a DI. I mean, why don't we just compare a $2200 Noveske Switchblock to a $1,000 Stag Piston and say "Pistons are way cheaper than DI's"
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cox380</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I forgot to mention Ruger and even Bushmaster makes some really nice quality Piston AR's at some pretty low price points </div></div>
Once again, I'm sure they go bang, but to put Ruger and Bushmaster pistons at the same level of quality as LMT or LWRC is a defenseless position.
