Hunting & Fishing Please Watch.Helihunting New Zealand. Help Stop It

#51
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i would would fn pissed if i went there and was hunting and some jackass in a heli flew over i dont disagree with you one bit on that part it is total bullshit. but i dont think you are getting anywhere by coming on here and complaining. you need to get well defined laws to start with and then they need to be enforced. you need to get people in your country to sign petitions or what ever you do over there to get laws voted on or get the game and fish if you have that to get regs put in place. i would guess every one on here is aginst that type of shooting at awsome game animals like that but there has to be better channels than a foriegn web site and i understand that fat americans the majority of the buisness but until they get told NO. they will keep coming. i cant believe there is no money that goes from hunting into habitat or wildlife related projects there. Are there license fees or is it just shoot what you see and the outfitter charges what ever they want and pocket all the cash. seems like nz has along way to go to get a decent wild life management program there.
 
#52
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kurt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i would would fn pissed if i went there and was hunting and some jackass in a heli flew over i dont disagree with you one bit on that part it is total bullshit. but i dont think you are getting anywhere by coming on here and complaining. you need to get well defined laws to start with and then they need to be enforced. you need to get people in your country to sign petitions or what ever you do over there to get laws voted on or get the game and fish if you have that to get regs put in place. i would guess every one on here is aginst that type of shooting at awsome game animals like that but there has to be better channels than a foriegn web site and i understand that fat americans the majority of the buisness but until they get told NO. they will keep coming. i cant believe there is no money that goes from hunting into habitat or wildlife related projects there. Are there license fees or is it just shoot what you see and the outfitter charges what ever they want and pocket all the cash. seems like nz has along way to go to get a decent wild life management program there.</div></div>

Your not wrong about a long way to go with management...We are going through change at the moment as at present the same people that control the public land/ plants also control the animals to a digree and because we are small it can be a select few making the decisions...they are pro alpine plants and against Tahr....but they are also the ones handling the hunting permits (free to get)...
The only reason I feel the others have come to this site and others is the Department of Conservation (DOC) has it in there heads You the toureist hunters want to heli hunt like the video as that what they get told by the guides that use them..
There is plenty getting done over here and I think they are starting to see....at least I hope they are but the decision is in to few hands


Unfortunatly we are just not big enough to vote in a sperate party pro hunting... but rest asured there is legal battles going as well
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#53
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SMACK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So it's OK for people to be airlifted for skiing and other recreation big money sports but a guy can't do it to save a little leg work to whack a couple animals?

Someone always crying and sniveling over something. I would have rather tried for one with some artillery and a good spotting scope but that's just me. </div></div>

Well you have raised some good points here

Four things about helihunting in New Zealand

1/Its a New Zealand problem our (lack of)laws, our (unsrupulous)operators our (lying)outfitters, it just happens 60% of the clients are North American and I feel sorry for the poor SOB's getting ripped off and told there is no other way to hunt in the alps, better a heads up on here than the pain thats been inflicted after some hunts in NZ.

2/What happens in our national parks should reflect and define the character of a nation. Certain goals and trophies will always be beyond the capablities of some hunters, taking an alpine trophy on foot without a helicopter to hunt the animal down in our alps is a big challenge.
New Zealand hunters don't want to be known as the only hunting country that thinks it is just fine to grind animals to exhaustion with helicopters and shotguns to take a trophy on <span style="text-decoration: underline">public land </span>(<span style="font-weight: bold">Smack</span> you can hunt/grenade drugged, tame, enclosed perch to your hearts content in a <span style="text-decoration: underline">private pond</span>
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3/ Animnal ethics are important we have laws like any other country but so too is the reason we have national parks and turning them into an safari themed alpine shooting gallery is not part of what we are. If you don't want to be part of the wilderness go to a game park and don't take a heicopter where you will annoy all the footsloggers <span style="text-decoration: underline">hunting on their public land</span>
4/ We have no management of our wild animals and thats a damn shame, but it does not stop us NZ hunters respecting them, tahr and chamois are not protected but the right of anyone <span style="text-decoration: underline">including visiting tourists </span>to hunt them on the ground in peace and quiet without having to compete against helicopter hunters is protected.

I think snivelling is a bit harsh <span style="font-weight: bold">Smack</span> the snivelling I see is mostly by NZ guides (very loose term) who can't guide hunters on a ground hunt and need a helicopter to do it or their tourist clients who take one look at our mountains and go crying to the helipad "ohhh please help me" then promptly vomit their breakfast up on their "hunt"

Oh yeah the heli-ski thing .... yeah even the heliskiers have designated areas of operation and cannot roam at will where there are recreational backcountry skiers, and no-one actually skis for the client whereras the helicopter does hunt for the helihunt client.

Okay rant over here was a hunt last year
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qwcsp81F-U
 
#54
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: striker nz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please watch the following video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcDMX4tQTy4



This is only a very small section of video, what we New Zealand Hunters are campaing to stop.


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Looks like a load of fun to me! Where do I sign up???

 
#55
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hunter223</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: striker nz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please watch the following video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcDMX4tQTy4



This is only a very small section of video, what we New Zealand Hunters are campaing to stop.


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Looks like a load of fun to me! Where do I sign up???

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Try Afghanistan
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#56
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Puts a new meaning to dont run you will only die tired! but in another perspective it really does give the animal a better shot at escaping, than say if he didnt even know the hunter was there and didnt even know he was being hunted. This way at least he has a 3% chance of survival vs 0% survival with conventional hunting
 
#57
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jollyrancher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Puts a new meaning to dont run you will only die tired! but in another perspective it really does give the animal a better shot at escaping, than say if he didnt even know the hunter was there and didnt even know he was being hunted. This way at least he has a 3% chance of survival vs 0% survival with conventional hunting </div></div>

Im afraid I have to diagree. With conventional hunting these animals have a very good chance of fair chase and escape. I know a fair few GOOD hunters that do a lot of hunting and even they dont ALWAYS get the chance to take an animal.
And they understand that is part of hunting and of life. You dont always win because you want to, regardless of time and effort put in
 
#58
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You would be amazed how hard it is to hit something from a Helo. I guess if their not shooting back, you can hover in closer!

THE PROB IS THATS THE PRIME PLOY OF PETA IS TO, DIVIDE AND CONQUER! They try to pit one group against another to element hunting one segment at a time !
 
#59
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Is it legal? Looks like fun. Are the same number of animals harvested via helicopter as a traditional hunt? The point is x number of tags are issued. The end result is the same. Who cares how you get there?
 
#60
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No Its not currently Legal. The powers to be (DOC) are trying to make it legal by ramroding legislation through. There is no tag system over here. These operators will create a free for all fight that will distroy the peace and serenity of our back country while at the same time exterminating large amounts of trophy animals with nothing in return for the mangement of our animals or the use of our public land. we ( NZ hunters) do not want our public land to become a adventure park for rich lazy Shooters. there is plenty of privately owned SAFARI parks over here that could offer that should they choose.
 
#62
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Exactly. The hogs are in huge pest numbers from what i understand and are doing massive damage. correct?
We dont have a problem with the use of helicopters for the use of WARO (Wild Animal Recovery Operations) where the activity benefits the management of game animals should the populations exced the land capcity.
How ever we do NOT want to allow the use of helicopters by tourists to herd or kill trophy animals from the air. It has a HUGE influence on other users of our public backcontry lands and is also unethical to the animals them selves. Its also a Boom Bust activity where the operators will keep going beyond a manageable level of animal populations due to the clients paying.
 
#63
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Looks to me like they take the sport right out of hunting. And for the most part, that is exactly what hunting is to most of us, a sport! I cant speak for all of us, but I have enough money in my safe to put a down payment on a house, and I live in Cali. I hunt, but mot because I would starve to death if I didnt. I do it for the sport.
 
#64
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need to get a tag system in place to start with so you know how many animals are getting killed each year. then you also have a law to enforce no tag go to jail with big fine. Foreing jail is a good way to scare people. second start charging money for the tag to fund the law enforcement and wildlife management. next make all guides have to be registered with the state(?) they hunt in and make penaltys big if they do some thing like this. i cant believe that in the 21st century there is a country that has no management program it is not like this is bum fuck egypt or some thing like that. and if all that does not work some one said some thing about flares:)
 
#65
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That's ugly hunting in beautiful country, but unfortunately, if it's legal, there will be people who will take advantage of the ease with which they can bag a trophy; there always is, regardless of where and how. Those guys aren't outdoorsmen or conservationists, but people (in this case with money) who like to show off to friends and/or need a tangible object to feel good about themselves.

Make it illegal, and enforce it, and it should stop or lessen. I'm not sure how the foreign tourists can change your local laws, though.

Good luck stopping this (seriously).
 
#66
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: striker nz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Listen buddy do it in your own country if you want. Its Our Country OUR Land and OUR Rules. why should we New Zeland hunters Be classed as unethical because you foreigners like to pay do this in our country. englighten me, Is this practice allowed free regin In the Great US of A? </div></div>

And your coming to a dominant US populated forum asking us to help you stop a sport we DO take part in? Poor form..... If its YOURS YOURS YOURS then protest on a New Zealand forum. Your asking for our help, your going to get OUR opinions.

Im not saying I agree with what they are doing but I disagree how your approaching this.

 
#67
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This needs to be illegal, nothing wrong with getting a lift to a remote location, but chasing it with the helicopter just isnt sporting.
 
#68
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Hell, anyone can pay $5,000 (or however much) to quietly sneak up behind rocks, extend the legs on his or her bi-pod, take off their coat to support the stock, have their guide laser range the animal, adjust the dope and shoot.

But you've got to be pretty damn salty to hit a moving target from a moving platform. Seems pretty sporting to me. Plus, you get to see a lot more of the country.
 
#69
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kurt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">need to get a tag system in place to start with so you know how many animals are getting killed each year. then you also have a law to enforce no tag go to jail with big fine. Foreing jail is a good way to scare people. second start charging money for the tag to fund the law enforcement and wildlife management. next make all guides have to be registered with the state(?) they hunt in and make penaltys big if they do some thing like this. i cant believe that in the 21st century there is a country that has no management program it is not like this is bum fuck egypt or some thing like that. and if all that does not work some one said some thing about flares:) </div></div>

No offence, but why would I what a system like that in our country where even right now I can grap my rifle , vehicle, etc, with a free permit & go hunting on public land during daylight hours when ever I like, no tags, no seasons, few limits, we are <span style="font-weight: bold">VERY lucky</span> here

There is only 4 million of us living here, most of them in the North Island, the Tahr are in the South Island in reasonably remote areas, but I have shot them within 1 hours easy walk from a main road, not trophy bulls though
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The main problem as I see it is the practice of chasing, herding an animal with a chopper for a client to shoot is just plain wrong, these are trophy animals, it is bad enough that some are caught live & put behind wire to be shot, but doing it on the hill is worse.

I have driven for 2 hours & walked for 3 hours to have my hunting ruined by a chopper that was poaching, so I know what it is like, I turned around & went home after making the air fairly blue.

The last thing I want when I'm out in the wilderness is the sound of choppers buzzing around all over the place.
 
#70
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kiwi Greg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kurt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">need to get a tag system in place to start with so you know how many animals are getting killed each year. then you also have a law to enforce no tag go to jail with big fine. Foreing jail is a good way to scare people. second start charging money for the tag to fund the law enforcement and wildlife management. next make all guides have to be registered with the state(?) they hunt in and make penaltys big if they do some thing like this. i cant believe that in the 21st century there is a country that has no management program it is not like this is bum fuck egypt or some thing like that. and if all that does not work some one said some thing about flares:) </div></div>

No offence, but why would I what a system like that in our country where even right now I can grap my rifle , vehicle, etc, with a free permit & go hunting on public land during daylight hours when ever I like, no tags, no seasons, few limits, we are <span style="font-weight: bold">VERY lucky</span> here

There is only 4 million of us living here, most of them in the North Island, the Tahr are in the South Island in reasonably remote areas, but I have shot them within 1 hours easy walk from a main road, not trophy bulls though
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The main problem as I see it is the practice of chasing, herding an animal with a chopper for a client to shoot is just plain wrong, these are trophy animals, it is bad enough that some are caught live & put behind wire to be shot, but doing it on the hill is worse.

I have driven for 2 hours & walked for 3 hours to have my hunting ruined by a chopper that was poaching, so I know what it is like, I turned around & went home after making the air fairly blue.

The last thing I want when I'm out in the wilderness is the sound of choppers buzzing around all over the place. </div></div>


fuck it than if you dont want any regulations i say fly away and shoot the shit out of the animals. If you dont want them managed than why should i give a shit. Sounds like you are a little selfish and more worried about your self and not the management of the animals. If you are willing to walk 5000 miles just to hunt them is that hard to take 10 minutes to fill out applications and put some money twoards the animals that you want to hunt. No tags is retarded because how do you keep track of total possible harvest. with attitudes like that i see why there no rules.
 
#71
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I dont think we need a tag system in this country just yet.we keep the number of animals by our permeit returns.
how ever i do beleive that we need a management system and that is in the works at this current time. the thing you have to understand is our country is set in our hunting ways from the publics perspective and a lot of the older generation will not nessaraly agree to taking the step of going to managed herds.
there are large alotments of private land which this activity should/can be undertaken on should you choose to, with out distroying the hunting and the peace and quiet that come with our public lands.
 
#72
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After reading this thread, I would like to helihunt new zealanders and tahr on the same trip. PM me with any good outfitters' info.
 
#73
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I do not understand why poeple keep putting differant values on animals. I life is a life.
A tahr is not more important than a free range stag.
You are showing just a little bit of heli hunting.
You are not being truthfull. not all of heli hunting chases an animal down to exhaustion then kill it.
I feel you can not afford to heli hunt this is why you are agianst it.
I GET SO TIRED OF PEOPLE TELLING EVERYONE WHAT AND HOW TO HUNT. GET A LIFE. HELI HUNT IS FAIR CHASE.. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE TO HUNT THAT WAY DO NOT.. HELI HUNT IN NZ BRINGS MANY DOLLARS INTO COUNTRY WHICH ALSO HELPS MANAGE THE WILDLIFE.
 
#76
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: THUNDERBOLT68</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do not understand why poeple keep putting differant values on animals. I life is a life.
A tahr is not more important than a free range stag.
You are showing just a little bit of heli hunting.
You are not being truthfull. not all of heli hunting chases an animal down to exhaustion then kill it.
I feel you can not afford to heli hunt this is why you are agianst it.
I GET SO TIRED OF PEOPLE TELLING EVERYONE WHAT AND HOW TO HUNT. GET A LIFE. HELI HUNT IS FAIR CHASE.. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE TO HUNT THAT WAY DO NOT.. HELI HUNT IN NZ BRINGS MANY DOLLARS INTO COUNTRY WHICH ALSO HELPS MANAGE THE WILDLIFE.
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Helihunting is not fair chase. last time I tryed running I couldnt break 12km/h let alone get to 160km/h +.

Also HeliHunting does nothing for animal management and it also NOT bringing in money for their management. Its bringing in money for their eradication. It also does nothing for the backcountry with full time helicopter nosie being a major harassment to ALL users
 
#77
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put a management system in place with tags and fees and everything that goes with proper wildlife management OR just keep it the way it is and say bye bye to the animals.
 
#78
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StrikerNZ, Just to let you know I have now received a second communication from the office of the Prime Minister, Hon John Key. The voices of those that you have called upon for support in a just and morally ethical cause are being heard.
 
#79
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: takeaim1st</div><div class="ubbcode-body">StrikerNZ, Just to let you know I have now received a second communication from the office of the Prime Minister, Hon John Key. The voices of those that you have called upon for support in a just and morally ethical cause are being heard. </div></div>

Why are you guys here? This is the Snipers Hide not PETA or the WWF.
 
#80
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50calcruiser , Somehow the opinions you are presenting don't seem to match up with someone that is supposedly conneted to the, Oklahoma Dept.of Wildlife Conservation. Has there been some sort of disconnect?
 
#81
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Cheers for that.

No and Im no a member of PETA or WWF, but I do like alot of hunters and backcountry users over here have ethics that we would like to be abided by and that does not include helicopters flying around all day.
 
#82
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Well if you want to be completely fair you should go hunt with your bare hands, insult the animal by calling it's mother a furry four-legged retard, beat it to death and then eat it.

If they will be doing hunts from fighter jets any time soon I'd by in for that.
 
#83
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You guys are confusing conservation and ethics as you perceive them. I personally don't care how the animals are harvested provided a system of sustainability is in place. And it seems New Zealanders don't like that idea,
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No offence, but why would I what a system like that in our country where even right now I can grap my rifle , vehicle, etc, with a free permit & go hunting on public land during daylight hours when ever I like, no tags, no seasons, few limits, we are VERY lucky here </div></div>
In the U.S. we have an abundance of wildlife because we went through some horrific times, market hunting etc... We learned our lessons and now we have a pretty damn good system in place to insure wildlife for future generations. But in doing so we also make sacrifices.

This has nothing to with ethics, I can't see the difference in shooting hogs out of a helicopter and shooting any other legal game out of a helicopter so long as it is legal. A life is a life is a life.

I just don't get what you think we as Americans are going to do about your problem or the problem you think you have. I bet I can find just as many pro helicopter hunters in New Zealand. To that end, I bet there are more pro heli hunters because if the anti heli hunters were in the majority and vocal, you wouldn't be on a U.S. based forum trying to garner support for your cause.
 
#84
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 50calcruiser</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I bet I can find just as many pro helicopter hunters in New Zealand. To that end, I bet there are more pro heli hunters because if the anti heli hunters were in the majority and vocal, you wouldn't be on a U.S. based forum trying to garner support for your cause. </div></div>

No its not because there are more pro-helihunting people here in New Zealand, its the fact we are getting shafted by OUR own conservation department and we need all the help we can get. The media over here is largely controled by the govt regardless how free they say they are(ie makes 1080 look like a hero so they can dump it any where they please) so trying to gather support is rather restrictive in nature. So of course we look to other nations with developed animal management systems for support.Like I have said there is a management system in the works and they are working fast as possible to implement it but it all takes time
 
#85
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50calcruiser, No confusion here at all. Conservation, used in the context of wild game management practice can and should by all means be implemented in a highly ethical manner. For your information, ethics meaning to do what is morally right or wrong.If you choose to have no respect for wild creatures, then let that bear on your conscience,and be representative of your character.The choices an indivdual makes in matters such as the one discussed herein usually reflect the standards one lives up to in the other aspects of their life.
 
#86
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The Tahr will only be removed by major paid culls as there numbers are not that fragile....DOC have tried poisening them to drop the numbers...That I also have a problem with but thats another whole story
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Trohpies may be a little different if this continues as they will be targeted more efficently......Not that I am a trophy hunter, meat is my goal as they are taisty critters
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You can do that sort of hunt on Private land for all I care (not my cup of tea) but the public back country has a remote tranquility that should be preserved. There are currently no fly zones that even foot hunters can not get choppered to but they are looking at opening them up for helli hunts
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#87
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I cannot belive that they run the animal for a few miles then get get and shoot .
NO HUNTING here its Murder!!!!!!!!!

Put that prick on the ground chase his ass with the heli then get out and blow his fucking shoulder off with the shotgun so he has time to think about it before he bleeds to death.

I hunt Elk but use a traditional bow no sight and on foot , almost proud to say have not gotten one yet but when and if I do it will be fair chase!!!

Bill

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: striker nz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please watch the following video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcDMX4tQTy4



This is only a very small section of video, what we New Zealand Hunters are campaing to stop.



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#88
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animal management and ethics are two completely different issues. Ethics are what some one believes, animal management is proven science. ethicly i would not hunt like that but if it was leagal and some one chooses to hunt like that i would not look down on them.
 
#89
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Its all about access, you don't here the guides bitching about sheep hunting in Canada about using choppers. Hell how many people a year are killed in Supercubs out sheep hunting here in Alaska. If you want to tighten it up, put no same day airborne shooting. Make them sleep one night then schwack there critter. I have not hunter NZ,(we are setting up a hunt as we speak) but from what I hear, its almost impossible to get to some places there. So the hunting for choppers ban is a NOGO for me.
 
#90
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alaskaman 11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its all about access, you don't here the guides bitching about sheep hunting in Canada about using choppers. Hell how many people a year are killed in Supercubs out sheep hunting here in Alaska. If you want to tighten it up, put no same day airborne shooting. Make them sleep one night then schwack there critter. I have not hunter NZ,(we are setting up a hunt as we speak) but from what I hear, its almost impossible to get to some places there. So the hunting for choppers ban is a NOGO for me. </div></div>

There is no issue about using a chopper to access a block....its the chasing the animal until it can't run any more then dropping the shooter close enough to wound it with a shot gun then video the final rifle shot
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It is illeagal to use a shotgun in a national park....must take that angle with the next letter
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But you may also be surprized how many valleys you can 4x4 up if the weather is settled...no go if a front is coming as the rivers rise fast.
I'm itching to get back in the hills but it will be a few mounths before the $$ permit this and I sure hope I dont get the next trip distroyed by choppers buzzing the valley casing Tahr untill they fall over.....
 
#91
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alaskaman 11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its all about access, you don't here the guides bitching about sheep hunting in Canada about using choppers. Hell how many people a year are killed in Supercubs out sheep hunting here in Alaska. If you want to tighten it up, put no same day airborne shooting. Make them sleep one night then schwack there critter. I have not hunter NZ,(we are setting up a hunt as we speak) but from what I hear, its almost impossible to get to some places there. So the hunting for choppers ban is a NOGO for me. </div></div>

We dont have a problem with choppers for access only. its the fact they are going shoot from choppers or herd the animals to the ground based shooters.
 
#92
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I have to chime in here and say it's sad to see the proliferation of LFF hunting not only in NZ but all around the world. You see LFF or Lazy Fat Fucks is a disease, it affects many who through no fault of their own are incapable of maintaining a health diet and performing even the most basic of exercise.

In much the same way the "Reach For A Dream" foundation provides charity to sick children should not NZ Tourism provide to these poor humans so grossly affected by LFF?
 
#95
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Its a terrible thing no matter where it happens... Just people with to much money, and not enough ethics or pride.
 
#96
Re: Please Watch.Helihunting New Zealand. Help Stop It

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jawa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its a terrible thing no matter where it happens... Just people with to much money, and not enough ethics or pride. </div></div> thats how they got the money
 
#97
Re: Please Watch.Helihunting New Zealand. Help Stop It

Things are looking up....It appears DOC under estimated the numbers against this.....One area they have done submitions the results were 99% against Helihunting and that is with the limited media coverage so the hunters are on a back foot compared to the outfitters....The tide is turning
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#98
Re: Please Watch.Helihunting New Zealand. Help Stop It

Thats just brilliant, but double ethics when it comes to hunting and killing animals, for food or need, is nothing new in that part of the world.

The NZ and AUs gov are at the forfront of the antiwhaling, anti-seal hunting, ect... comunity which lays a bigass smokescreen around their home turf.
 
#99
Re: Please Watch.Helihunting New Zealand. Help Stop It

just find out who the jackass wantabe hunter is in the video and the pilot or air company and start harreasing them. call peta as a company rep for the air company or outfitter and tell them you would like to make a donation to there cause and give peta ther mailing adress and phone # and them pita will harass the crap out of them. hahahah
 
#100
Re: Please Watch.Helihunting New Zealand. Help Stop It

The one link you posted said to respond before 2/5/10. Sorry I got in on this too late, but if a little pressure from outside would still help, let us know. More than happy to put my shoulder to the wheel on this one.
 
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