Quick Anneal any users out there with reviews?

Did you fail to read? If it’s liquified, it’s gone totally past being annealed. If it liquifies in ten seconds, it anneals at less than ten seconds.
Do recrystallisation and grain grown not come before liquefaction all of a sudden?

NO that's the entire point of MY discussion , Grain structure aka re-crystallization requires TIME at SPECIFIC TEMPERATURES , Which vary widely when either is substituted .
If you simply take the time to look at the article I posted by George Vandervoort .

George is one if not the Top people within the industry . I'm attempting to locate #2 additional PhD. Thesis papers published by two Indian Students ,who not only verified George's work but did extensive research and experiments to further elaborate on metallurgy and Brass in particular . ( I had a system failure a while back and in re-installing the OS, lost bookmarks and some research papers aka PDF's ) .

George Vander Voort has a background in physical, process and mechanical metallurgy and has been performing metallographic studies for 47 years. He is a long-time member of ASTM Committee E-4 on metallography and has published extensively in metallography and failure analysis. He regularly teaches MEI courses for ASM International and is now doing webinars. He is a consultant for Struers Inc. and will be teaching courses soon for them.

This is from within the accepted Industry of Metallurgical Science :

Annealing also restores ductility ,yet shouldn't be confused with partial or solution annealing (This is what WE as reloaders do )** . During cold working, the metal can become hardened to the extent that any more work will result in cracking. By annealing the metal beforehand, cold working can take place without any risk of cracking, as annealing releases mechanical stresses produced during machining ,heating, grinding or forming .


Annealing is used for steel, however, other metals including copper,aluminum and brass can be subject to a process called solution annealed.**

** NO re-crystallization occurs therefore IT'S NOT ANNEALED in the true sense of the definition .

Large ovens are used for annealing steel. The inside of the oven must be large enough to allow air to circulate around the metal. For large pieces, gas fired conveyor furnaces are used while car-bottom furnaces are more practical for smaller pieces of metal.


During the annealing process, the metal is heated to a specific temperature where recrystallization can occur. At this stage, any defects caused by deformation of the metal are repaired. The metal is held at that temperature for a fixed period, then cooled down to room temperature.


The cooling process must be done very slowly to produce a refined microstructure, thus maximizing softness. This is often done by immersing the hot steel in sand, ashes or other substances with low heat conductivity, or by switching off the oven and allowing the steel to cool with the furnace.
 
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NO that's the entire point of MY discussion , Grain structure aka re-crystallization requires TIME at SPECIFIC TEMPERATURES , Which vary widely when either is substituted .
If you simply take the time to look at the article I posted by George Vandervoort .

George is one if not the Top people within the industry . I'm attempting to locate #2 additional PhD. Thesis papers published by two Indian Students ,who not only verified George's work but did extensive research and experiments to further elaborate on metallurgy and Brass in particular . ( I had a system failure a while back and in re-installing the OS, lost bookmarks and some research papers aka PDF's ) .

George Vander Voort has a background in physical, process and mechanical metallurgy and has been performing metallographic studies for 47 years. He is a long-time member of ASTM Committee E-4 on metallography and has published extensively in metallography and failure analysis. He regularly teaches MEI courses for ASM International and is now doing webinars. He is a consultant for Struers Inc. and will be teaching courses soon for them.

This is from within the accepted Industry of Metallurgical Science :

Annealing also restores ductility ,yet shouldn't be confused with partial or solution annealing (This is what WE as reloaders do )** . During cold working, the metal can become hardened to the extent that any more work will result in cracking. By annealing the metal beforehand, cold working can take place without any risk of cracking, as annealing releases mechanical stresses produced during machining ,heating, grinding or forming .


Annealing is used for steel, however, other metals including copper,aluminum and brass can be subject to a process called solution annealed.**

** NO re-crystallization occurs therefore IT'S NOT ANNEALED in the true sense of the definition .

Large ovens are used for annealing steel. The inside of the oven must be large enough to allow air to circulate around the metal. For large pieces, gas fired conveyor furnaces are used while car-bottom furnaces are more practical for smaller pieces of metal.


During the annealing process, the metal is heated to a specific temperature where recrystallization can occur. At this stage, any defects caused by deformation of the metal are repaired. The metal is held at that temperature for a fixed period, then cooled down to room temperature.


The cooling process must be done very slowly to produce a refined microstructure, thus maximizing softness. This is often done by immersing the hot steel in sand, ashes or other substances with low heat conductivity, or by switching off the oven and allowing the steel to cool with the furnace.
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So what’s it feel like, being trolled back for trolling this thread over something so ridiculous and trite as semantics? You are literally the only one who thinks it matters one iota.

Oh, and you’re wrong… 😄
 
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So what’s it feel like, being trolled back for trolling this thread over something so ridiculous and trite as semantics? You are literally the only one who thinks it matters one iota.

Oh, and you’re wrong… 😄
But did you know liquefaction comes before recrystallization? No wonder we’ve been doing it wrong the whole time. We have to MELT the brass first.
 
NO that's the entire point of MY discussion , Grain structure aka re-crystallization requires TIME at SPECIFIC TEMPERATURES , Which vary widely when either is substituted .
If you simply take the time to look at the article I posted by George Vandervoort .

George is one if not the Top people within the industry . I'm attempting to locate #2 additional PhD. Thesis papers published by two Indian Students ,who not only verified George's work but did extensive research and experiments to further elaborate on metallurgy and Brass in particular . ( I had a system failure a while back and in re-installing the OS, lost bookmarks and some research papers aka PDF's ) .

George Vander Voort has a background in physical, process and mechanical metallurgy and has been performing metallographic studies for 47 years. He is a long-time member of ASTM Committee E-4 on metallography and has published extensively in metallography and failure analysis. He regularly teaches MEI courses for ASM International and is now doing webinars. He is a consultant for Struers Inc. and will be teaching courses soon for them.

This is from within the accepted Industry of Metallurgical Science :

Annealing also restores ductility ,yet shouldn't be confused with partial or solution annealing (This is what WE as reloaders do )** . During cold working, the metal can become hardened to the extent that any more work will result in cracking. By annealing the metal beforehand, cold working can take place without any risk of cracking, as annealing releases mechanical stresses produced during machining ,heating, grinding or forming .


Annealing is used for steel, however, other metals including copper,aluminum and brass can be subject to a process called solution annealed.**

** NO re-crystallization occurs therefore IT'S NOT ANNEALED in the true sense of the definition .

Large ovens are used for annealing steel. The inside of the oven must be large enough to allow air to circulate around the metal. For large pieces, gas fired conveyor furnaces are used while car-bottom furnaces are more practical for smaller pieces of metal.


During the annealing process, the metal is heated to a specific temperature where recrystallization can occur. At this stage, any defects caused by deformation of the metal are repaired. The metal is held at that temperature for a fixed period, then cooled down to room temperature.


The cooling process must be done very slowly to produce a refined microstructure, thus maximizing softness. This is often done by immersing the hot steel in sand, ashes or other substances with low heat conductivity, or by switching off the oven and allowing the steel to cool with the furnace.
Know how I can tell you don’t shoot very much?
 
Ex E6 resurfaces every now and then to let us know

YOU cannot argue with PHYSICS ! if you DONT COMPREHEND you annealing boobs MIGHT turn your brass into APPLE SAUCE !


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Quick Anneal has my attention... I'm not about to drop $1300 on something I have to manually feed.
 
Received an email yesterday stating my order / unit is ready for shipment.

Submitted payment yesterday, received FedEx shipping notification today.

I’m very impressed by the whole experience so far, got on a waiting list stating end of January…. They also stated that they are closed December 1th to January 8th.

Coms via email where outstanding.
 
But did you know liquefaction comes before recrystallization? No wonder we’ve been doing it wrong the whole time. We have to MELT the brass first.
Yo Smart Dude , because you melt something metallic ,doesn't anneal it . Fyi : I've been reloading near #59 years and have shot more ammunition before most of you were wet in your daddy's pants ,than you'll ever know . Some people appear bright until you see their posts . :rolleyes:
 
Yo Smart Dude , because you melt something metallic ,doesn't anneal it . Fyi : I've been reloading near #59 years and have shot more ammunition before most of you were wet in your daddy's pants ,than you'll ever know . Some people appear bright until you see their posts . :rolleyes:
Do you know how an induction coil works?
Projection so thick you can cut it with a knife.
 
I’ve sacrificed a dozen or so Lapua 65 PRC brass in Aztec in addition to other cases and cartridges. I’ve gotten a range of numbers sometimes near a 10 point range. It’s rare that I get the same number more than twice.

Here’s five PRC cases.
0191, 0195, 0194, 0196, 0198

Just curious so I tried analyzing brass I have on hand to see what the results would be.

Tested 5 pieces of range pickup brass sorted by headstamp using the Aztec mode of my AMP.

LC21 5.56: 125, 125, 125, 125 and 125.

Aguila 5.56: 130, 130, 131, 130 and 131.

T: 143, 142, 142, 143 and 143.

Winchester: 127, 126, 127, 126 and 126.

FC16 5.56: 131, 131, 131, 131, 130.
 
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Range pickup 308/7.62 and 300 Win Mag.

308/7.62:

Speer Nickel: 155, 157, 156, 155, 156.

CBC: 159, 159, 156, 155, 156.

WCC13: 150, 153, 150, 153, 151.

PPU: 151, 150, 151, 151, 154.

Hornady: 152, 151, 152, 146, 151.

AAC: 155, 155, 156, 155, 156.

300 Win Mag:

FC10: 143, 142, 143, 144, 143.

R-P: 136, 136, 135, 133, 136.

Hornady: 137, 138, 138, 137, 137.
 
Ran a batch of 204 and 22-250 the other day. The variance's occurred each time it went up or down. So when it went back to the normal %, it went off again. IE 51%--59%--51%. Thinking of an auto feeder. Although you'll miss a discrepancy if your not there.
 
I've spent the last week working out some bugs in the feeding of the Quick Anneal.

First, the Dillon will drop two cases regularly at the slow speed required for the QA. If it drops a case before the first one is annealed the second will sit on top and both will drop from the annealer when the first case is annealed. It will also heat up the case head of the one on top.

This is like the 7th revision of what I did to keep it from dropping two cases.

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Second, if the cases fall too hard on the platten you'll eventually get an error about a stuck case. So, you've got to slow down the cases falling from the feeder. If you use the flexible tubing QA shows in their video this isn't as much of a problem because the bends in the tube slow down the case. Their 3d printed insert has an ID too small for a PRC case I decided to use hard tubing and machined a couple baffles ~.005" ID larger than a fired Creed case. I added two baffles with a 'tilt' in the middle to stop completely the intermittent error. I also cut 1.5" off the length of my Dillon stand so that I could lower the feeder to further reduce the amount of drop.

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I needed to move the annealer back on the bench so I could get the feeder in front of the unit since I removed 1.5" height from the Dillon stand. So, I bent the steel plate they provided and velcroed it to the unit to catch cases before they fall in the larger container hanging off the Inline Fab rail. This also gives you a better chance of finding a case that's outside the deviation of the others. Incidentally, I had a couple that were 4% more than the others. I let them cool and ran them again and they were right in line with the others. I need to do more testing to see how accurate that whole thing its.

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None of the above would have been easy without a lathe and mill.
 
I've spent the last week working out some bugs in the feeding of the Quick Anneal.

First, the Dillon will drop two cases regularly at the slow speed required for the QA. If it drops a case before the first one is annealed the second will sit on top and both will drop from the annealer when the first case is annealed. It will also heat up the case head of the one on top.

This is like the 7th revision of what I did to keep it from dropping two cases.

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Second, if the cases fall too hard on the platten you'll eventually get an error about a stuck case. So, you've got to slow down the cases falling from the feeder. If you use the flexible tubing QA shows in their video this isn't as much of a problem because the bends in the tube slow down the case. Their 3d printed insert has an ID too small for a PRC case I decided to use hard tubing and machined a couple baffles ~.005" ID larger than a fired Creed case. I added two baffles with a 'tilt' in the middle to stop completely the intermittent error. I also cut 1.5" off the length of my Dillon stand so that I could lower the feeder to further reduce the amount of drop.

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I needed to move the annealer back on the bench so I could get the feeder in front of the unit since I removed 1.5" height from the Dillon stand. So, I bent the steel plate they provided and velcroed it to the unit to catch cases before they fall in the larger container hanging off the Inline Fab rail. This also gives you a better chance of finding a case that's outside the deviation of the others. Incidentally, I had a couple that were 4% more than the others. I let them cool and ran them again and they were right in line with the others. I need to do more testing to see how accurate that whole thing its.

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None of the above would have been easy without a lathe and mill.
Mine should be shipping soon. Paid the invoice today and also have the Dillon case feeder on the way. Getting the Dillon case feeder to work really well is one of the top priorities for me because I want to dump brass in, walk away and let it do its thing. I don’t really care how long it takes since I’m not going to be in front of it. Are you running the Dillon on the slowest speed? Also thanks for the info above. I’m sure it will be helpful when I start messing with it
 
I'm not running the slowest speed. You'll need to set speed based on how many cases are in the feeder. The more in the feeder the higher the speed setting. As the volume of cases in the feeder dwindles the speed will increase. So, it's a balancing act. You'll also have to pay attention to how many cases drop at a time.
 
I'm not running the slowest speed. You'll need to set speed based on how many cases are in the feeder. The more in the feeder the higher the speed setting. As the volume of cases in the feeder dwindles the speed will increase. So, it's a balancing act. You'll also have to pay attention to how many cases drop at a time.
That makes sense. I’ve only used friends Dillon setups that they have done the setup on, so that’s all new to me. Thanks for the info!
 
we need videos of this thing running with an automatic case feeder and an itemized bill of the cost of all the components
I’ll get some up when I get it setup. I’m at K&M for a match and should be home tomorrow or Sunday. So far the price breakdown for me is

Annealer - R18,712.00 shipped, which I believe at the time I ordered was like $970 USD- 4-5 days from South Africa to my door via FedEx

Case feeder | XL750 / XL650 with one large rifle plate- $355 plus shipping and Tax. $408 to my door. I’ll probably have to buy a few different plates to cover all the rounds I have, but they are cheap

Clear tubing for case feeder to annealer- free as I had a few different sizes laying around but sounds like I’ll need to slow the cases down in the tube a little which shouldn’t be an issue- free

Mount for case feeder. Found an old curved curtain rod in that garage that fit perfect but TBD how well it will work. - free
 
I have no experience with the amp mate. I just took the info off their website. I have a feeling AMP will be coming out with a new version soon.
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So with a few modifications to my AmpMate on My Amp Annealer I'm able to use it to Anneal 33XC brass. It's about 1/2" longer than a 338 Lapua. I had asked the manufacturer if it would work on the 33XC and they missunderstood what I was shooting and told me the AmpMate would work. After I recieved it and tried to get it to work I found out that It wouldn't work on that big of case. But as I tend to take things like that as a challenge I made a few modifications and it not works fine for my 33XC brrass.
 
I'm not running the slowest speed. You'll need to set speed based on how many cases are in the feeder. The more in the feeder the higher the speed setting. As the volume of cases in the feeder dwindles the speed will increase. So, it's a balancing act. You'll also have to pay attention to how many cases drop at a time.
Got mine in and got the case feeder doing its thing. You’re definitely right though about the speed and it accidentally dropping two or the second case too quickly. I’m thinking a plate with half the “windows” or maybe even less might help.
 
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Well, for everyone watching the market it should have been pretty obvious that there could be a price increase for this annealer.

I’m happy with mine so far. Have annealed 500 cases since I received it. I noticed more consistency in sizing compared to the non annealed ones before.

Just no range to shoot and test right now since the JTAC in FL closing.
A new range is in the works.