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Something kicking off in Israel
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I unwittingly got dragged into a conversation today with a Democrat, "No Matter What".
The upshot from this person was "Everything is fine!" and if it's not "It's Trump's fault!"
yes, they are out there and they vote.
The upshot from this person was "Everything is fine!" and if it's not "It's Trump's fault!"
yes, they are out there and they vote.
re: jordan and current mideast shit and the '72 massacre of israeli athletes in munich. if you remember it was done by "black september". black september was a PLO group that named itself after the time when the jordanians smashed the PLO and drove it out of jordan in '70/71. despite the PLO killings,the group was named after a conflict with jordan not israel. i suspect that the current king is not up for anymore palestinian bullshit as shown prev on here. their kings have always seemed to have pretty good sense.
they don't believe the idf.
Both sides very much want to convince me that mass murder of the opposition's civilians is acceptable. Not really buying it.
I feel your pain. About a quarter of my family, friends, and neighbors all believe that, it's fucking insanity. Never mind the fact that Trump kept Iran, Putin, and Xi in their place. Under Trump, economy was booming, the border was well monitored, there was general peace. Now we have the opposite and yet it is somehow Trumps fault, even more insane! The hatred, and public takedown of Trump is more important to these people than our national well being. Ironic that all of the things they accuse Trump of, there is overwhelming evidence of the Bidens doing, it doesn't matter. Even though Russia Gate has been debunked ad nauseum, all the normies still think it was really a thing.I unwittingly got dragged into a conversation today with a Democrat, "No Matter What".
The upshot from this person was "Everything is fine!" and if it's not "It's Trump's fault!"
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yes, they are out there and they vote.
"It's easier to fool people then convince them that they have been fooled" -Mark Twain.
Don't believe me, just listen to the former senior executive at Facebook, Democrat, and Trump foreign policy convert.
of course it could be disinfo as well.
As far as world leaders go.. him and Kadyrov seem like they'd be cool as all to hang out... unlimited access to go shoot the best of the best rifles/belt feds whenever they want to, along with training and learning from Spetsnaz Alfa group, and in the case of Jordan's king.. the top echelon of Special Operations Forces from all over world. They quite regularly hold super legit high level SOF competitions, joint training ops, etc at that Jordanian state of the art training facility/shoot houses/entire mock ups of miniature towns ...
That must be the fckn life bro! Just get to shoot whatever state of art rifles/belt feds/optics you want at will. Get to train with units like Delta/CAG, GSG9, and SAS anytime they come to your facility in Jordan.
It don't get any fckn cooler than that!
It makes me feel better that Hamas blew up their own hospital so I’m believing that.
See what I did there?
See what I did there?
these guys hopefully won't be left to die on their own to hide clinton's sins. at least there is a carrier nearby to rain hell on them.
That should have been warning enough. People used to pay attention to a "Warning sign".
I guess society has been bombarded with so many "Warnings" they just ignore them.
This is another dimocrat administration. If I was on the ground over there, I wouldn't be feeling any more comfortable than the Guys in Benghazi (or Khabul for that matter....)
like folks getting sick after the clotshots?
"that means it is working!"
yeah, i have often felt that the movie the matrix is a good metaphor for existence under our corrupt warmongering government.
at least if pedo joe falls down (again), everyone else can throw themselves down on the ground and pretend there is an attack.
Let’s be just a little fair. They would be attacking the US embassy no matter who was in the WH. It’s what they do. Their handlers get them worked up and send them in that direction. They are being played as much as we have been in the past.
(Rhetorical question);
Is anyone else starting to feel shades of Jimmy Carter, relative to world events ?
I think Carter had the best of intentions, but he was a dope. He was naive enough to think he could convince people that had been killing each other for thousands of years to all of a sudden stop.
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perhaps. but then if we think that iran is the main funder of hamas (besides the united nations), then xiden lifting sanctions has some bearing on it.
i imagine it costs lots of money to pay and feed the families of thousands of terrorists while they train for schiff like this.
As horrible as this is going to sound, if we go back to the days when the Allies actually won wars - raising cities to the ground because enemy combatants were hiding amongst the civilian population and refusing to come out would be considered acceptable. Just look up the firebombings of Dresden, Tokyo, Hamburg etc.
Not doing this just results in the GWOT nonsense where you spend 20 years replacing the Taliban with the Taliban.
still don't know...that hit didn't seem like a dud rocket (not that i am an expert on dud rockets or failure to launch) 
eventually, i expect the terrorists to do false flag events, like their brothers in syria.
eventually, i expect the terrorists to do false flag events, like their brothers in syria.
Even if Israel does not move in this thing is far from over. True casualties from Israels bombing are probably around 30k. Does anyone here seeing the strikes think its any less. This is one of the densest populated areas in the world. There is no way back to the status quo. Israel will not allow gaza to be rebuilt and infrastructure to support life is destroyed.
IMO the references to hiroshima and nagasaki are not applicable to the situation today. A we have seen in recent conflicts technology becomes a very strong determiner of outcomes. If technology is used to destroy a enemy what is the situation afterwords? To prevail a nation must always remain the leader in not just one technology but all technologies in all environments. A impossible task. Perhaps even more disturbing to me is that IMO is that a society like this is fundamentally contrary to the liberties this country was founded upon that we all enjoy. If technolgy is to be the sword by wich we live or die there is simply no way to ensure sucess in a modern world. Anyone been to Shenzhen lately? They are not exactly feeding pigs there.
Its the dilemma every gangster faces. Sure you can do something terrible to rivals. The quality of life waiting for payback is not so hot.
While the current crisis is less dangerous in the short term then Ukraine as we dont see two nuclear super powers in conflict via proxy in the long term we really need to consider the consequences of devastating use of force to our standard of living. IMO this assesment needs to be based on realistics criteria of the world as it is in the present not the world of the past where USA became the sole nation to posess a destructive technology- for a while.
IMO pursuing this course of action in todays world may well lead to multiple destructive technologies indepedant of each other being created and in hands not necesarily the USAs. Israels possesion of nuclear weapons is a good example of the unpredicability of such situations Netanyahus Likud part had a 10% approval rating recently due to the "judicial refrm" where the Israeli Judicial branch was castrated with power becoming soley executive branch. Thus the safeties of a representative government are removed. Conveniantly the current crisis removes all dissent as the tribal us vs them becomes the dominent operating principle.
IMO humanities sole hope lies in the quite dificult task of getting along. Otherrs have other ideas -transhumanism where humanities basis is hacked. The current crisis we witness is quite contrary to this and there are very few that see that gettiing along benefits all. In the short term use of destructive technologies may appear a solution but in the intermediate to long term as every nation in the world scrambles to develop destructive technologies the inevitable result is a verty high stakes game where there are really no winners. One might hope that this obvious reality would motivate all nations to get along. Not much of a fan of hope. Our species has a long history of might makes right and when it was mano au mano it was a acceptable solution.
Live by the sword die by the sword. Some things change. Some things dont. What is occuring in gaza is genocide. Other words that decribe it are misnomers. two million people being genocided will fundementally change the world we live in even if "humanitarian" interests keep a segment of the the palestinans alive by moving some portions of their population to the USA and Germany for preservation as is the openly discussed plan. gaza is mad max. I find the arguments that mad max can be selectively implemented to be quite naive even if historically accurate.
I have never traveled to either Israel or Palestine. It has been my experience that all cultures have some qualites that are to my taste some that are not. The children of both seem innocent as always. A true expression of god. The women of both seem attractive. Of them all I prefer the USA. Its a function of comfortableness. You cant get away from what you are. Your roots
Genocide seems to me the greatest sin. The blood lust and cruelty in its implementation despicable. The ending of women and children a direct denial of the beauty and order of gods creation. Abomination.
For a long time in my life I activly denied compassion. I suceeded. I thought it was necessary to be tough. But in the end it almost killed me being empty inside. Its like dieing before you are dead. I would never return to that way.
IMO the references to hiroshima and nagasaki are not applicable to the situation today. A we have seen in recent conflicts technology becomes a very strong determiner of outcomes. If technology is used to destroy a enemy what is the situation afterwords? To prevail a nation must always remain the leader in not just one technology but all technologies in all environments. A impossible task. Perhaps even more disturbing to me is that IMO is that a society like this is fundamentally contrary to the liberties this country was founded upon that we all enjoy. If technolgy is to be the sword by wich we live or die there is simply no way to ensure sucess in a modern world. Anyone been to Shenzhen lately? They are not exactly feeding pigs there.
Its the dilemma every gangster faces. Sure you can do something terrible to rivals. The quality of life waiting for payback is not so hot.
While the current crisis is less dangerous in the short term then Ukraine as we dont see two nuclear super powers in conflict via proxy in the long term we really need to consider the consequences of devastating use of force to our standard of living. IMO this assesment needs to be based on realistics criteria of the world as it is in the present not the world of the past where USA became the sole nation to posess a destructive technology- for a while.
IMO pursuing this course of action in todays world may well lead to multiple destructive technologies indepedant of each other being created and in hands not necesarily the USAs. Israels possesion of nuclear weapons is a good example of the unpredicability of such situations Netanyahus Likud part had a 10% approval rating recently due to the "judicial refrm" where the Israeli Judicial branch was castrated with power becoming soley executive branch. Thus the safeties of a representative government are removed. Conveniantly the current crisis removes all dissent as the tribal us vs them becomes the dominent operating principle.
IMO humanities sole hope lies in the quite dificult task of getting along. Otherrs have other ideas -transhumanism where humanities basis is hacked. The current crisis we witness is quite contrary to this and there are very few that see that gettiing along benefits all. In the short term use of destructive technologies may appear a solution but in the intermediate to long term as every nation in the world scrambles to develop destructive technologies the inevitable result is a verty high stakes game where there are really no winners. One might hope that this obvious reality would motivate all nations to get along. Not much of a fan of hope. Our species has a long history of might makes right and when it was mano au mano it was a acceptable solution.
Live by the sword die by the sword. Some things change. Some things dont. What is occuring in gaza is genocide. Other words that decribe it are misnomers. two million people being genocided will fundementally change the world we live in even if "humanitarian" interests keep a segment of the the palestinans alive by moving some portions of their population to the USA and Germany for preservation as is the openly discussed plan. gaza is mad max. I find the arguments that mad max can be selectively implemented to be quite naive even if historically accurate.
I have never traveled to either Israel or Palestine. It has been my experience that all cultures have some qualites that are to my taste some that are not. The children of both seem innocent as always. A true expression of god. The women of both seem attractive. Of them all I prefer the USA. Its a function of comfortableness. You cant get away from what you are. Your roots
Genocide seems to me the greatest sin. The blood lust and cruelty in its implementation despicable. The ending of women and children a direct denial of the beauty and order of gods creation. Abomination.
For a long time in my life I activly denied compassion. I suceeded. I thought it was necessary to be tough. But in the end it almost killed me being empty inside. Its like dieing before you are dead. I would never return to that way.
One thing I know is I would never want to be injured in any way in a place like Gaza.
The way they all jibber and holler, some people videoing, some standing in the way, then the nurses? flop the injured on stretchers and literally run into the hospital with them. It’s hilarious!
I guess they are doing their best to kill people off?
The way they all jibber and holler, some people videoing, some standing in the way, then the nurses? flop the injured on stretchers and literally run into the hospital with them. It’s hilarious!
I guess they are doing their best to kill people off?
That’s pretty much SOP in the ME and the East. The standards of care are less than ideal. I have seen dudes that have pretty severe head wounds being placed on the back of motorcycles and hauled to hospitals (like they would stay conscious enough the whole way) and expected to hold on, POS ambulances with absolutely nothing inside to stabilize a patient and hospitals full of flies and vermin. It’s not for lack of desire, it’s ignorance and lack of medical training. Those that did know proper procedures are overwhelmed by the lack of resources and do the best they can. It’s all futile since infection is going to kill them anyway. Realistically it does no good to try to step in and help - you just get pulled into the storm and it ends up making no difference and you have all the emotional baggage of being part of the nightmare while very little gets accomplished. It’s just the way it is. People who equate what is going on there to patient care here don’t comprehend how rudimentary it is almost everywhere else. You go into shock, you’re dead. You get a severe cut, you’re dead. Sepsis, dead. The best is to die fast. The ones that died in Gaza when those buildings collapsed are lucky. If that insults someone’s sensibilities they need to get the training and go there. They will find out soon enough.
ETA: the only people who care anyway is the family. The caregivers can’t get emotionally attached to every person or they would burn out. Everyone that can help just goes through the motions and figures out who to treat that has the best chances - instinctual triage based on resources and knowledge. Not everyone can be saved. It’s a shit show of the highest magnitude. Adults, children, infants, babies. It fucking sucks.
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Nah… Carter was just naive, incompetent, and downright dumb… What we’re witnessing now is all part of a plan, a very sinister plan… carefully scripted, and executed to perfection…
Goatfuckers blew up their own people. It wasn't intercepted by Iron Dome. Their terror rocket malfunctioned and went ballistic into their own shithole city. Can't make this stuff up........
lariat is right about 3rd world trauma care from what i know of here in US and what i have heard from knowledgeable others. i have often had a fear of some SHTF event and subsequent wasting of limited resources. americans and their doctors have no concept of triage. it has always been throw everything at the worst and usually hopeless cases as if there is no end to supply. in SHTF resupply will not be happening. my guess is that the average large hospital has no more than 2/3 days of drugs,fluid,surgical equipment etc if that. as i said,american way of trauma care is to throw the max at the worst and bump more minor things which could be fixed with limited supplies down to 2nd or 3rd level of response. this doesn't even take into account things like cleaning instruments,treatment areas,security resources,housing patients,food,much more. staff shortage also a big maybe. in this case military trained corpsmen should be put in charge of triage. they are trained in triage during combat and that is what we are looking at in terms of damage,injuries and logistics.
Let's do a mental exercise. Why would you not fire on these terrorists? Now use the same logic being a drone operator on the other side of the world, firing on terrorists that can't even see or hear you. Just out of curiosity, would you do that?
The rocket itself was a crude homemade pipe affair but the 10-15lb warhead on it detonated several tons of mortar rounds and grenades they stashed INSIDE the hospital. A fucking hospital... Let that sink in for a second on how much they value any human lives, including their own...
I don’t have an opinion on where this rocket came from (I simply don’t have enough information).
But the odds of a 15lb explosive fired (even intentionally) towards a building the size of a hospital containing mortar rounds and happening to land close enough for a sympathetic detonation are almost closer to zero than zero.
That particular theory I’m not buying without significant evidence.
You have valid points here. Just like Ukraine, there is so much static and potential misinformation coming out from there right now that it is almost impossible to get a clear picture of what is really going on. The only thing that is TRULY clear at the moment is that 1200-1400 people, mostly civilians, had been savagely butchered last week and there are two main enemies of all innocent people on both sides, Hamas, and the Israeli government for their gun control laws which enabled the slaughter in the first place.
This is my 2nd reply to this post. If we added more BRRRRRTTT, I wonder how many FBI agitators we'd lose?
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