My 3-18 at 18X doesn't have much image degradation, slight darkening but contrast it still there. There could be something up with that scope.
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Not sure if you’re replying to my comment, but I was referring to the image at max elevation, not max magnification. Up to around 20 mils, at all powers, the image is very nice.
Yup I'm an idiot, guess I never read that correctly, my mistake. The most I've had dialed while shooting my 3-18 was 10.2mil to 1150y, but I also have a 20moa rail, so technically was prob only 6mil for scopes optical center.
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Same here, lol. I was going to be very disappointed to buy a 3-18 and find out the image sucked at 18X. I am glad to hear that I misread. I don't think I have ever had my scope anywhere near max elevation, but I have never shot past 1200 yards.
DVOR has some decent deals going on right now for most t6xi models if anyone’s looking.
Curious to what rings y’all are running on your T6XI. Waiting on my semi custom Tikka to be finished up before deciding on the ring height. It will be a CF Bartlein #4 contour and a 20moa Area 419 base. Not quite sure if low rings would work. Got a set of Vortex PMR 1.1” right now on another Tikka CTR and those work but are a bit high. Didn’t know how the larger Bartlein would impact things compared to the factory CTR barrel.
Thinking the lightweight Hawkins rings with the level will work best for me. But I do want to try the ARC M-Brace rings. The built in level really pushes me towards the Hawkins.
Curious to what rings y’all are running on your T6XI. Waiting on my semi custom Tikka to be finished up before deciding on the ring height. It will be a CF Bartlein #4 contour and a 20moa Area 419 base. Not quite sure if low rings would work. Got a set of Vortex PMR 1.1” right now on another Tikka CTR and those work but are a bit high. Didn’t know how the larger Bartlein would impact things compared to the factory CTR barrel.
Thinking the lightweight Hawkins rings with the level will work best for me. But I do want to try the ARC M-Brace rings. The built in level really pushes me towards the Hawkins.
I can't help on height, but I use Nightforce X-Treme Duty Ultralite on my T6Xi 1-6 on a 45-70 Gov.
ARC MBRACE 1.5” is what I got my 3-18 in on my AT.
H6Xi 2-12x42mm | Steiner High-Quality Optics
www.steiner-optics.com
Anyone else see this? 23oz from what i was able to google.
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It’s fucking MOA. When will that system die?
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Never! This is America where we measure in inches, yards, and MOA!!!
BTW thanks for the heads up on this one. Pretty interested. Need to do some additional research before pulling the trigger.
With the number of different calibers used for hunting why do companies still use BDC type reticles? This MHR reticle doesn't match my ballistics so I guess I'm SOL. and who is going to remember what the different subtensions represent at oddball numbers like 1.8, 4.2, 5.6, & 8.5?
This is what the T6Xi 2.5-15 should have been. I have no desire for MOA and i agree with you Will, it just doesn't make sense here in the 20’s. Im about to post my review on the March and Athlon MPVO and i got all excited about this but MOA and BDC make this a non-starter for me.H6Xi 2-12x42mm | Steiner High-Quality Optics
Anyone else see this? 23oz from what i was able to google.
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It’s fucking MOA. When will that system die?
Are we jumping the gun on the H6xi? They show a Pic of the 2-12 model but in body states there is a 3-18 and 5-30 models as well. There are no specs on that page, so maybe there are multiple reticle choices? Moa and mils? Let's hope.......I think a 4-24 and a 2-12 is all they needed to produce in a "hunting" optic. Rarely every do I go above 20X when hunting, usually set around 8-10.
Reads like they’re leaning on some MOA “hunting” reticle.
It’s almost funny how some are coming so close to a good, light medium power optic but horse fuck the whole thing with one terrible decision
Leupold and Steiner execs getting wasted at the same parties this year I guess.
Piss tests, bitch slaps, and reality checks should not be held back in some of these houses.
The worst I believe is the S&B 3-18x42….
Everything is there….but a fucking Sfp #7reticle…what the actual fuck? Makes a Leupold tmr look good…
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Well it’s an Exos scope isn’t it? Their hunting line is VERY different from their PM line intentionally. I can’t say I’m outraged, just not the target market.Piss tests, bitch slaps, and reality checks should not be held back in some of these houses.
The worst I believe is the S&B 3-18x42….
Everything is there….but a fucking Sfp #7reticle…what the actual fuck? Makes a Leupold tmr look good…
No it’s not exos, polar, zenith… kinda it’s own thing.
They HAVE put the cqb2 in the exos 1-8, the p4F and P3 in some of the klassic ffp models as well. It’s not “new” territory for their non-pmii line.
With the turrets and power range, I would have expected them to have put in a reticle to match the capability of the aforementioned…
*surely* they're going to release Mils too...... surely, SteinerH6Xi 2-12x42mm | Steiner High-Quality Optics
Anyone else see this? 23oz from what i was able to google.
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It’s fucking MOA. When will that system die?
The H6xi is a good product they brought to market. Other than....the MOA-only reticle for those who use mils, it looks like a hit. It's a FFP 30mm-tube version of the T6xi line. I like it
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Man I'd have to think so, there's a parallax knob, FFP, illumination, exposed elevation, capped windage. It has the pedigree to be a good scope, the t6xi glass is pretty good too. It'd all be a win win, wish they made a 4-24x50 that was like 26oz, VS a 318 and 530 options. I do like my razor 4.5-22 but the turrets leave a lot to be desired, and it feels pretty chinsey, feels delicate if ya would.
How do ya'll feel about them being made in Greely, CO? I find myself wishing they came out of Germany.
The LHT Razor? The other Razor....the one that weighs just shy of five or 6 pounds - that one seems pretty tough.
Why? Isn't everyone here screaming 'Merica! and only buying made in the USA? Now they do and you don't want it? LOL Can't make this shit up. LOL
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HD LHT. The other is a tank and doesn't belong on a compact or lightish rig lol
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HD LHT. The other is a tank and doesn't belong on a compact or lightish rig lol
I’m not screaming ‘Merica when it comes to rifle scopes. The finest optics come from Germany and Austria, in my opinion. And Canada.
I’m for FREE markets where we have variety and more competition…. not *just* American built products. When it comes to actions, barrels, ammo and pick up trucks… Merica baby.
I always do my best to do that. To support that statement - and keeping in line with this thread - I bought a T6Xi this year.
Anyone remember when the Revic PMR was first introduced it was only in MOA for over a year, they kept promising mrad and felt like it took forever. Why did they release that scope in MOA first? I believe many companies still believe the greater market opportunity comes from the hunting world, and they'd be right, but I have to wonder, aren't there plenty of options for the hunting community? The T6Xi 2.5-15 doesn’t make much sense to me at only 2oz lighter than the 3-18, but this 2-12 would have made a lot more sense under 25oz. Maybe with enough requests Steiner will come up with the right mrad reticle that works at 2x and 12x.
That's funny! But shoot in groups at matches or comps, everyone talks in mils. I find its much easier to remember my 600y dope of 2.8 mil VS 9.75 moa. And then there's the gun number quick wind formula. Trust me I shot moa for 15 years until I saw the light 3 years back. That was an expensive year swapping everything out.
I believe it. I got my first MIL scope this year. Trying it out to see if I want to make the switch. All my shooting buddies are MOA as are the "locals" who just hunt so I'd be the only guy calling out MILs.
Just sent Steiner an email about the H6XI and the lack it MILS. Holding my breath for a response.
They’ll respond. But i doubt it will be to say they’re going to have it in Mils. I asked about the scr2 in the 2.5-15 and they said no.
That's just stupid. At least they got the 3-18 right...
That's part of the issue, MOA is ingrained in most shooters brains from birth, many American children learn MOA before ABC's
Like 406, it was about a decade ago that I saw the light - I thought nothing could be better than MOA and BDC, I was convinced (mostly from the hunting community influence), I also believed I couldn't take an "ethical" shot beyond 300 yards because you can't guess how many inches in drop and wind beyond that distance (well BDC kind of helped but then there's the issue of SFP and oops, forgot to set my scope to max mag). But most all of this confusion came because I was thinking in inches, not angular units, once I learned that both MOA and MIL are angular units and that Mil was base 10 and could easily be used for ranging in a pinch (in divisions I could understand) then the advantages of mil all began to come together - it's quicker, faster, easier, better IMO. I still talk with shooters who think MOA is inches and mils are centimeters when neither is true, getting them to understand that is the first step toward enlightenment 
That’s my largest issue i started on Mils 14 years ago. Never even ventured into MOA so the market is just now somewhat correcting itself in my eyes.
However one would think. That given the explosion of popularity in the competition scene: PRS and especially now NRL hunter. That a company would be chomping at the bit to create lightweight crossover or mil based hunting options. But they don’t because fudds gotta fudd i guess.
The thing is and my bias aside the measurement is irrelevant. The term “thinking in inches” is not applicable at all. You use the angular measurement you’re reticle and turrets are in to adjust, period. While MOA might correspond more favorably to convert to inches there is never really a need. Which is what drives me insane. But it’s hard to break the mold. When i got my dad into it 6 years ago it was the same thing. “Alright, doe is 596yds. Dial 3.7mils.” The response? “What’s that in inches”
The reality is it doesn’t matter. But in the end Mil is more standardized throughout the globe, has better reticles, and is a lower count to keep up with per rev.
End rant. I hope Steiner says they’ll put the scr2 in that 2.5-12.
However one would think. That given the explosion of popularity in the competition scene: PRS and especially now NRL hunter. That a company would be chomping at the bit to create lightweight crossover or mil based hunting options. But they don’t because fudds gotta fudd i guess.
The thing is and my bias aside the measurement is irrelevant. The term “thinking in inches” is not applicable at all. You use the angular measurement you’re reticle and turrets are in to adjust, period. While MOA might correspond more favorably to convert to inches there is never really a need. Which is what drives me insane. But it’s hard to break the mold. When i got my dad into it 6 years ago it was the same thing. “Alright, doe is 596yds. Dial 3.7mils.” The response? “What’s that in inches”
The reality is it doesn’t matter. But in the end Mil is more standardized throughout the globe, has better reticles, and is a lower count to keep up with per rev.
End rant. I hope Steiner says they’ll put the scr2 in that 2.5-12.
Just got a reply
Pretty much a no right now, as the T6Xi is very close to it and it’s in MILS
I’ll be the odd duck 
. I shoot both MOA and Mil scopes. Both are a unit of measure and fine by me as long as turret and reticle are the same system. Only time it matters is if one of us are using moa and the other Mil.
. I shoot both MOA and Mil scopes. Both are a unit of measure and fine by me as long as turret and reticle are the same system. Only time it matters is if one of us are using moa and the other Mil.
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Explosion of popularity? LOL, in what real numbers?
Some people just can't grasp that PRS and NRL are, and will forever be, a tiny fraction of the rifle shooting population and that places like this are one giant echo chamber.
The overwhelming majority of rifles and scopes are sold to people who have no idea what mils are, have never heard of PRS or NRL, and don't give a shit about any of it.
The overwhelming majority of handguns are sold to people who can barely tell which end of the pistol the bullets come out of, take zero training with it, and have no earthly clue that USPSA and IDPA exist.
Enthusiasts are a tiny minority of the millions of gun owners in this country.
Yeah i would say explosion in popularity. We have almost every brand fielding a “competition ready” rifle out of the box for just that. Sure it’s still a minority of the shooting populace but to act like there isn’t a market for it is just false. The advancement in ffp/mil based optics in the last 10 years as well as the ruger rpr and the like are proof of that. Least comparable to what it was.
