Taxes as legalized theft?

[blbennett1288]

The way most government organizations are run it is theft. Obviously there are exceptions to this rule and things I like paying for that I appreciate, but 100% they could operate better under an independent organization.

 

[Maggot]

That’s a chicken shit argument. This republic belongs to the citizens. The politicians have used blatant lies and distortions to persuade citizens to give them the power to take a portion of their lives to use as they see fit, then once they have that power, they change the rules. Take the income tax for example. Congress used the argument that if they got the power to tax incomes, it would only be 2% and they would never raise that rate. Within one year of the law being passed, they promptly raised the rates, and have been manipulating them ever since.
You use the argument that we can either vote them out or leave. Well, we can’t vote a law out, only try to elect enough people to vote them out. And there are far too many people directly benefiting from other people’s money for that to happen. So, that leaves moving away. Or in other words, giving even more of my life and property for the privilege of relocating to another place that’s gonna steal my life and property. Still theft....

Its not pretty but WE allowed it. Not all of us but the citizenry one way or another are responsible. I worked my whole life as a timber cutter or stonemason. Never took a penny that wasnt mine and got fucked when I needed workman's comp which I paid a fucking LOT into. Yeah, the SS got raided and fucked...I know that, but I accept MY responsibility for letting that happen, I dont blame others. Ive considered moving, not because I dont like it here, I treasure it here, I feel privileged and honored to have been born and raised here. Id just like to be where its warm all the time. Fucking snow and ice are hard on the old torn up body. But I accept MY responsibility to change it or put up with it. For now I reckon its 'Put Up With', for a bit longer.

 

[BLKWLFK9]

Sales tax here is already 10%.

Right, but ours is only 7.5% here in NC. Raise the whole nation to 12 or 15%, it brings the whole nation up.

 

[Howland]

" It must always be a choice. "

Not being disrespectful, but you (or anyone else) have that choice, and are free to leave if you dont want to pay. No one is forcing you to stay. If you stay you need to play by the rules or change them. Simple.

The rules don't need to be changed, they need to be obeyed.

Let's start with Congress passing a budget to fund all those powers listed in the Enumerated Powers Clause - then stopping and going home!

No more adding up crushing debt that can never be paid purchasing votes, which they've gotten down to a science.

Don't like those rules? Leave! Be a parasite in some other country. May I suggest Venezuela. I hear winters are very mild.

 

[ArmyJerry]

Americans begging to be taxed, thats in fucking sane,,, our founders are spinning in their graves...

 

[Maggot]

The rules don't need to be changed, they need to be obeyed.

Let's start with Congress passing a budget to fund all those powers listed in the Enumerated Powers Clause - then stopping and going home!

No more adding up crushing debt that can never be paid purchasing votes, which they've gotten down to a science.

Works for me.

 

[ArmyJerry]

You must comply

the government needs to be imploded, asshole trumps re election just might get them killing each other, and leaving us alone for once. I am being an optimist today.

The rules don't need to be changed, they need to be obeyed.

Let's start with Congress passing a budget to fund all those powers listed in the Enumerated Powers Clause - then stopping and going home!

No more adding up crushing debt that can never be paid purchasing votes, which they've gotten down to a science.

Don't like those rules? Leave! Be a parasite in some other country. May I suggest Venezuela. I hear winters are very mild.

 

[BLKWLFK9]

If this country was say, the UK, the "you can leave if you dont like it" argument would work. But the fashion of how this country was founded and the structure laid out is how it should still be. The feds changed that, not us. The correct argument would be, "if the people calling the shots in the fed gov dont like how its suppose to be, THEY can leave." They are the ones who morphed the country into what it is from what it once was and was meant to be. Not the citizens.

Social security is a complete joke. If the SS plan was offered by the free market, it would be the worst retirement plan in history and no one would choose it. The money you have paid for SS your whole life, would be double in return over what you collect now. But I dont need the fed to tell me how to save for my future. I know what investments best suit me and my needs. It's called personal accountability. Something this current Gov doesnt believe in.

 

[ArmyJerry]

Our history says you cant leave but that you have a duty to depose the government by any means necessary.

If this country was say, the UK, the "you can leave if you dont like it" argument would work. But the fashion of how this country was founded and the structure laid out is how it should still be. The feds changed that, not us. The correct argument would be, "if the people calling the shots in the fed gov dont like how its suppose to be, THEY can leave." They are the ones who morphed the country into what it is from what it once was and was meant to be. Not the citizens.

Social security is a complete joke. If the SS plan was offered by the free market, it would be the worst retirement plan in history and no one would choose it. The money you have paid for SS your whole life, would be double in return over what you collect now. But I dont need the fed to tell me how to save for my future. I know what investments best suit me and my needs. It's called personal accountability. Something this current Gov doesnt believe in.

 

[Deleted member 10043]

Here’s another to chew on. I’m fishing couple weeks ago . There’s a government boat going everywhere and shocking up fish to see if their healthy . I stopped and ask em what they were doing. They said checking fish. Then I ask em, what u gonna do if they don’t look good. The guy looked at me and said nothing! I looked at him and said. Nice cushy job u have there commie!

Then both those motherfuckers and a midget I didn't see before stomped my ass. Turns out they were fucking poachers. Here I am fishing with a license that I paid for and when I did see a gov't boat and told them exactly what happened the motherfuckers electrocuted me. They didn't do a fucking thing. Fucking commies.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

All US FSA programs started as a helping hand an have turned into handouts to gamer's of the system. They proved they can not control their lives or finances yet we allow them to still vote, that is beyond insane. However that insanity is how the D's & R's keep gaining/holding on to power. More of the FSA are pulling the lever, for free shit, than those supplying the free shit in the first place. Until we stop allowing them to vote it will only get worst incrementally. The OWO/NWO are just waiting for one or two more USA generations to die off an the days of,... so called,... freedom will be but a memory.

 

[ArmyJerry]

true GF, lets get rid of the illegals then we can look at the FSA

 

[jakelly]

" It must always be a choice. "

Not being disrespectful, but you (or anyone else) have that choice, and are free to leave if you dont want to pay. No one is forcing you to stay. If you stay you need to play by the rules or change them. Simple.

There is no law saying you have to pay a tax on your wages. It’s voluntary compliance.

 

[Dewey7271]

Please, if youre unhappy leave. Or work to change it for the better.

First part of the quote: Really? C’mon. What kind of advice is that flippant reply? I guarantee I have paid and sometimes continue to pay usurous tax rates through most of my working years. Does it piss me off? Damn right. I can trace my lineage to the beginning of this country and some of us in every major war. We fucking paid our dues and continue to pay. That reply pisses me off.
One of the flaws in the “go somewhere else” argument is if they take you up on it then your annuity from highly paid goes away. Try funding all the garbage then.
Secondly, how can you rant about immigrants in one guise or another then encourage it elsewhere with that comment.
Second part of the quote: Valid point. I do work to change it. I might ask you the same: what do you actually do to change it? I do so in many ways. Through political contributions, showing up to actually meet and discuss with them (one on one or with an aide)and lastly through trying to help people financially that I don’t know and will probably never meet just because they have a story of some kind and I personally believe good things for good people pays future dividends. Doesn’t matter if I see them or not. I see that as potential capital for our republic.

I think its a great program. Pays me a nice chunk of dough every month, and free (paid for in advance) medical care.

The problem is that parasites raped it for their own benefit.

As you mentioned in an earlier post, do your research.
In 1983 the law was changed. That made a budgetary change that recatorgorized how FICA contributions were held as a line item. The issue lies with the 1983 law and politicians. Can’t blame current pols for spending “general fund” money. They don’t know where it comes from nor care. Most of those yo-yo’s can barely speak coherently let alone read a spreadsheet.
Second, there are two “trust funds” not one. It’s plural.
First is OASI. Old age and survivors income. That’s the checks (deposits) you receive. That fund is considered solvent and actually ran a surplus for a number of years. Unfortunately, the solvency starts dropping in 2020. As an FYI, current contributions make up about 73 cents of each SS dollar, thus the argument about total insolvency is not currently valid. More of a political red herring.
I find that most find it hard to take handouts and then criticize them.
Please spare me the “I paid in for x years so it owes me” or the “it’s really my money” or the it’s an “investment return” argument. Your contributions (not investments) were sent back to someone else in the form of THEIR SS check within days of being sent in. There is nor ever was any true investment component involved.
Ok, flame away all.

 

[Blutroop]

Some of y’all sound like commie sheep. I’m not gonna bend over just cause the gov says to. I’m definitely not gonna spread cheeks either. Since you enjoy getting screwed in the ass so much by your Uncle Sam that you wanna try and tell people more American than you will ever be to leave, you can take my turn. You sound like a illegal I once worked with.. tried to say he was more American than me because he paid taxes without complaining.. fucking brainwashed socialistic dumbass

 

[Deleted member 10043]

Why are you guys going after the FFA?

 

[Maggot]

First part of the quote: Really? C’mon. What kind of advice is that flippant reply? I guarantee I have paid and sometimes continue to pay usurous tax rates through most of my working years. Does it piss me off? Damn right. I can trace my lineage to the beginning of this country and some of us in every major war. We fucking paid our dues and continue to pay. That reply pisses me off.
One of the flaws in the “go somewhere else” argument is if they take you up on it then your annuity from highly paid goes away. Try funding all the garbage then.
Secondly, how can you rant about immigrants in one guise or another then encourage it elsewhere with that comment.
Second part of the quote: Valid point. I do work to change it. I might ask you the same: what do you actually do to change it? I do so in many ways. Through political contributions, showing up to actually meet and discuss with them (one on one or with an aide)and lastly through trying to help people financially that I don’t know and will probably never meet just because they have a story of some kind and I personally believe good things for good people pays future dividends. Doesn’t matter if I see them or not. I see that as potential capital for our republic.

As you mentioned in an earlier post, do your research.
In 1983 the law was changed. That made a budgetary change that recatorgorized how FICA contributions were held as a line item. The issue lies with the 1983 law and politicians. Can’t blame current pols for spending “general fund” money. They don’t know where it comes from nor care. Most of those yo-yo’s can barely speak coherently let alone read a spreadsheet.
Second, there are two “trust funds” not one. It’s plural.
First is OASI. Old age and survivors income. That’s the checks (deposits) you receive. That fund is considered solvent and actually ran a surplus for a number of years. Unfortunately, the solvency starts dropping in 2020. As an FYI, current contributions make up about 73 cents of each SS dollar, thus the argument about total insolvency is not currently valid. More of a political red herring.
I find that most find it hard to take handouts and then criticize them.
Please spare me the “I paid in for x years so it owes me” or the “it’s really my money” or the it’s an “investment return” argument. Your contributions (not investments) were sent back to someone else in the form of THEIR SS check within days of being sent in. There is nor ever was any true investment component involved.
Ok, flame away all.

 

[Dewey7271]

Forgot.
On the “free medical care”. First, no such thing. Someone is paying for it. Your $135 month out of your SS and everyone else’s 2.9 % in payroll taxes. Like hell its free.

 

[Deleted member 10043]

There is no law saying you have to pay a tax on your wages. It’s voluntary compliance.

The 16th Amendment sounds very lawly like...

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration

 

[ArmyJerry]

This is an enslavement declaration like no other,,, buy guns and ammo, ARs out the ying yang, they will be coming for your shit...

"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration"

 

[Maggot]

Forgot.
On the “free medical care”. First, no such thing. Someone is paying for it. Your $135 month out of your SS and everyone else’s 2.9 % in payroll taxes. Like hell its free.

Fair enough, but for me its better than anything I can currently afford.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

Ya'll talking about 'taxes are the way that the gov't takes your stuff' (sic) but no, that is incorrect.

EMINENT DOMAIN is what that is.....

 

[Nik H]

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

Nothing more to say

 

[bachelorjack]

Threads like this are amusing to me. I have a degree in Economics.

There are several assumptions being made in these arguments that are flat out wrong. The most important is that taxes must be charged to offset spending. That is not the case. Money is always spent no matter how much comes in and with no regard for how much comes in. This fallacy takes root because you have been taught you cannot spend money you do not have or intend to repay. Yet, that's exactly what happens. The idea that these two directional cash flows must balance, equal or happen with the concept of a surplus in incoming vs outgoing has never actually been important.

In order to understand this concept you have to look at how this nations economics policy is designed as compared to that of other nations. Economics policy doesn't mean what you think it does. It refers to how long and how hard you want the people of your nation to work. Do they work every day until they die suddenly at work? Do they work every day until they are about to die then they have a few years of unproductive down time? Do they need to actually work and labor at all?

The concept of taxes in this country is to keep you gainfully employed until a certain age that many of us will never see before unproductiveness becomes a viable option. That's it. Because if you weren't gainfully employed in your cubicle or office chair you would be out running around everywhere interrupting the quiet amazing days of those who do not have to work and labor.

This is what you are taught as an economist. How to balance the necessary servitude of others to maximize your desired outcomes.

 

[pyplynr]

 

[Fig]

If this country was say, the UK, the "you can leave if you dont like it" argument would work. But the fashion of how this country was founded and the structure laid out is how it should still be. The feds changed that, not us. The correct argument would be, "if the people calling the shots in the fed gov dont like how its suppose to be, THEY can leave." They are the ones who morphed the country into what it is from what it once was and was meant to be. Not the citizens.

Social security is a complete joke. If the SS plan was offered by the free market, it would be the worst retirement plan in history and no one would choose it. The money you have paid for SS your whole life, would be double in return over what you collect now. But I dont need the fed to tell me how to save for my future. I know what investments best suit me and my needs. It's called personal accountability. Something this current Gov doesnt believe in.

If SS was a private program everyone involved in it would be in prison a long time go. It’s a Ponzie scheme in every respect except it’s not a secret that it’s an unsustainable pyramid scheme that is totally doomed to bankruptcy, except for the fact they fund it by force.

Great post, spot on!

 

[Nik H]

I read this a while ago and it has stayed with me since that time...

Economics in 5 sentences

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

 

[Deleted member 10043]

I read this a while ago and it has stayed with me since that time...

Economics in 5 sentences

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

No doubt the same source that gave five good reasons to put a brake on a .244 Rem.

 

[1J04]

I question everything. I love playing Devils's Advocate because it makes me think out side the box. Too bad if it offends you but thats what freedom is about.

You really need to improve youre reading comprehension.

I never told you to leave. I said you have the right to. Big difference. Or to change it. Options are what its about.

Toodles.

Really? REALLY? Are you off your fucking Meds? What a fucking Hypocrite. AS SOON AS YOU'RE OFFENDED EACH AND EVERY GAWD DAMN TIME WHAT DO YOU DO MAGGOT? YOU TRY TO SUPPRESS SOMEONE ELSE'S FREEDOM BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FIT IN WITH YOUR WARPED AGENDA. You honestly sicken the hell outta me man, and many others. You're showing just how unstable you really are. Now get offended, report to whomever just how offended you are, then get back to showing everyone just how "PHILOSOPHICAL" you really are with all that knowledge of all things important in your warped world. Devils Advocate Indeed. lol


GTFO

 

[ArmyJerry]

I play Satan advocate every now and then,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[Blutroop]

I’d be less opposed to the idea of paying for the right to breathe if the gov. actually created and owned the world and held the title to it. Despite what they teach in school though GOD created all this and is the only one with the right to hold out a hand.

 

[Maggot]

Really? REALLY? Are you off your fucking Meds? What a fucking Hypocrite. AS SOON AS YOU'RE OFFENDED EACH AND EVERY GAWD DAMN TIME WHAT DO YOU DO MAGGOT? YOU TRY TO SUPPRESS SOMEONE ELSE'S FREEDOM BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FIT IN WITH YOUR WARPED AGENDA. You honestly sicken the hell outta me man, and many others. You're showing just how unstable you really are. Now get offended, report to whomever just how offended you are, then get back to showing everyone just how "PHILOSOPHICAL" you really are with all that knowledge of all things important in your warped world. Devils Advocate Indeed. lol


GTFO

Youre so funny. Just pissed because I cut you off from the oral UTI injections, eh?

 

[1J04]

Not pissed Jimmy, worried for you. You're fucked up Howard and need help. And not just with your debilitating UTI that got you outta VN and whatever other laborious acts, including your awesome PNW Logging Stories. And now you're longing for Man Sex? Have you no shame? Uhm, no. Keep entertaining us with your cut and paste posts of whatever world events 'trigger' you then ranting about YOUR post. You can't make that shit up Howie. You're doing it and don't realize it................. Now go be a Cuck somewhere else.



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[Veer_G]

I bid the OP calm, serenity, and a lifetime supply of Depends and Fix-o-Dent.

 

[1J04]

I'm losing my shit........................................... LMFAO God Bless You @Veer_G .

Worth every 4 minutes and 11 seconds.

 

[1J04]

 

[Maggot]

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Thats funny.

 

[Maggot]

I cleared the thread because my point was made. You can hate me all you want. Waste your time in senseless little videos and pictures but it doesnt change what is: If we dont like the way its going we have limited options...Ill add a part 1B:

-1a- vote and change it peacefully...a good idea
-1b- armed revolution...a bad idea

-2-Become a lying thieving politician and steal it for yourself

-3-Leave- I really wasnt suggesting anyone leave just making a point. Sorry if it upset some, but some saw what I was driving at.

To examine the above;

1a will work and is w/o question the best option....Because:

Any other option will divide the country and likely the military and give the Communist/Socialist/SJW parasites exactly what they want, a weakened divided America. I was just reading today how Biden has changed his stance on abortion and is in some polls leading Trump in Texas. If they take Texas, and thats their focus, they will win the Presidency, and likely the Senate. End Game.

What happens then? It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see the answer. With a broken weakened divided America The Chinese move on Asia, the Russians move on Europe, they both move on the Mid East, and we are too weak to stop them. End game.

As those of us like MTN and Longshot231 have learned to, so to speak, read the signs of the times, the End Game is likely about to begin regardless due to basic human nature: it was forecast a longtime ago.

Not what I want. I love America and the freedom and privilege we have. Im broken hearted to see it coming, but it may well be inevitable. Thats not negative, thats just looking at the facts in the clear cold light of day. So back to the options, the only one that works is 1a. We need to get out there and work and vote change.

Back to you.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

This thread is gone with the wind!

 

[Veer_G]

#restorethethread

 

[ArmyJerry]

man this is not good....

 

[abn31c]

Wow, someone has shown their full measure right here.
Total snowflake.

 

[ArmyJerry]

some of my best writings,,,,,gone in a flash,,, like a red coat ripping down a parchment post,, a call to arms,,, lord Cornwallis burning copies of The American Crisis... and Common Sense....


Beware Gentlemen

The real man smiles in trouble, gathers strength from distress, and grows brave by reflection.

These are the times that try men's souls: The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as freedom should not be highly rated.

Buy More Ammo.

 

[abn31c]

"What, with like a rag or something?"

 

[Deleted member 10043]

You deleted the thread to prove your point? Your ratings are going down and your little pundit show is going to be cancelled.

 

[Deleted member 10043]

I lost my Likes.

 

[Deleted member 10043]

I had a lot of Likes on that thread.

 

[Rthur]

R

 

[deersniper]

TeddyBear pit for sure. If it's not the blue authoritarians it's the snowflakes with no spine

 

[Inifinty]

I'm sorry Maggot, but the entire exercise which ends at the beginning of the Lord's day will have been to show us that the concept of men ruling man is futile in nature.

We can try to make the best of what we got for now, but it seems only the stupid get to run for office. There's some 1000's year old writings about how we are lead by children and how history repeats. That darned book sure has a knack for calling it how it is. I like to think of it as tomorrows newspaper today.

Now where did my representation go? I did not vote for suppressors to be banned.