Rifle Scopes That TT Gen3XR though..... ( Updated Pics)

#51
Also, once you’ve been behind enough glass, you can tell a lot from pictures.

Things typically look much, much better in person behind the glass than in pics.
 
#52
And another point, unless there is something extremely unique about a reticle, don’t try to say something looks suspiciously like another reticle.

One could say the ETR is a knockoff of the ebr7b.

In reality it’s just another reticle that has .2’s somewhere in the reticle.
 
#53
Interestingly enough, I absolutely believe you about them. They wouldn't have the support they do without some kind of evidence. That much better though, really? Wow. That's one hell of a recommendation. As I am just getting started, it gives me a goal I guess. Goals are good.

I don't know that I agree with you about cell phone pics on the internet. No, I don't think you could tell me which Iphone pic is the TT in a blind sample of 10 images, anywhere you posted them. Especially if confined to the resolution seen here. I do think, however, that after having looked through the TT, that seeing a picture through another could bring back the image in your mind, and allow you to associate with it on a level beyond those who haven't.

I still wonder what makes them so much better. Obviously they are, but the curious cat in me wants to understand why.
 
#54
Wow, I was going to correct you on your use of the word nub. I thought lemme check urban dictionary. nub=/=noob

nub
official definition: a internet acronym, similar to "noob". HOWEVER, whilst a NOOBis someone who is lame/idiotic because he is new, a NUB is someone who has had the opportunity to learn something new, but never did, and is therefore idiotic/stupid.

Edit: I had never seen it spelled that way and was going to say Noob.
 
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Dthomas3523 said:
And another point, unless there is something extremely unique about a reticle, don’t try to say something looks suspiciously like another reticle.
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Retort and reprimand accepted. Poorly worded on my part, I admit that. "Suspiciously" creates an unintended connotation, better verbiage would have been that "it looks like others that I've seen elsewhere, with little to make it better than they seem to be".
 
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Kanwhitetails said:
Retort and reprimand accepted. Poorly worded on my part, I admit that. "Suspiciously" creates an unintended connotation, better verbiage would have been that "it looks like others that I've seen elsewhere, with little to make it better than they seem to be".
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I’m honestly not a huge fan of the gen3xr. There are several reasons and they are mostly personal preference.

I’ll likely be buying the gen2xr.
 
#57
Well that's unfortunate. Some snowfake decided to re-define a term I've been using to make light of myself and being new/inexperienced since 2004 and post it on urban dictionary. Look up Nublet, Nube, Newb, and Newdle while you're at it. Jesus H.... nvm.

That's okay, we're all very familiar with changing definitions in the mainstream vernacular to mean something other than what was intended. Funny though, I thought that was a leftist tactic, one that would be far removed from a pro gun site.

Allow me to clear it up, for posterity. Yes, my intention was to be lazy and not have to hit two o's and just type nub in stead of noob.

Seriously though, you makin that up?
 
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Dthomas3523 said:
I’m honestly not a huge fan of the gen3xr. There are several reasons and they are mostly personal preference.

I’ll likely be buying the gen2xr.
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The unfortunate thing for me is, you're going to get me behind one, just to see what "noticeably better glass" and "turrets from another planet" are like. I'm worried. Just like the guys that let me shoot their custom actions, and then I had to obtain one of my own. This sport is dangerous, and only secondarily to the projectile leaving the muzzle...
 
#59
Kanwhitetails said:
Ahh, the helpful, friendly keyboarded snickers commence. Did my questions arouse your silly sense of superiority? When I said I was a nub, it was an attempt to avoid doing so, but alas the goblins have smelt blood. Run whilst I can, should I?

Give me a break, your kind of banter will be long gone and guys like me will still wonder what makes TT (Or the next equivalent) worth so much more, regardless if the obvious protectionism and haughty glares and stares of disdain...

I noticed Primus, that you're still the same old child, waiting to troll the next person you think you're better than. Sigh, impressive.

No, no closet, no giant safe. Just a few pieces I've acquired and enjoy, and curiosity. I do actually wear clothes I get at Walmart. I buy food from there too. Got me! Good one, that.

I clicked this thread thinking that I'd actually learn something. All I see so far is a bunch of guys geeking out over Iphone pics of a reticle that looks suspiciously like an Athlon release from earlier last year. Funny how when I ask about it, you resort to calling me names rather than answering my questions or providing information.

I don't need you, and you can't offend me, so get lost Sergeant.




I guess the statement "it's good enough for what I do" applies. I shoot enough to know when an image is clearer between optics. Enough to know that tracking is more important. Enough to know that the instances where the best possible glass clarity and light transmission are helpful. What I want to know, and since I'm an admitted nub here, life I'm sure will be a good teacher, is what makes the TT cause so much drooling fandom to come out of the woodwork?

Seriously, I really want to know. It's not a hypothetical. What makes the TT scopes worth the money over the other market-competitive options? Do they have clearer glass than the $2500 USOs? Than the $2900 Khales? Than the VIPER GII? How about the Swaros or the Zeiss'? I've spent hours behind Swaro and Zeiss Binos and if that's the case, then color me impressed. Are the mechanisms better? Materials? Craftsmanship? What?

One of the reasons I ask, is because the TT website is more of an exclusive gentlemen's club than an informative portal into why their product is better. Interestingly, the "PROFESSIONAL RIFLE TELESCOPES FOR PRECISION MARKSMEN" line makes me chuckle... As if to say, "If you have to ask, you don't belong". Okay, maybe I'm reading into it more than I should, but it does strike me as more of a club than it should. There's no marketing, no explanations, no prices. VERY much like the Lamborghini/Bugatti dealerships. I guess when you attain a certain class, you don't have to explain yourself anymore, you just do; and those that are fortunate enough to be in the know, follow. One does not buy a Lambo if you have to ask how much it costs, right?

Sorry, maybe it's just me. Maybe I'm cynical. But can you blame me? A few posts up a blurry red post that would win the "worst scope reticle picture of the month" award is called beautiful. That says so much, and I am seriously asking what that is. To those in the know; Why?
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As I explained earlier there a nuances such as forgiving parallax that other scopes don’t have. The tooless re zero is a nice feature as well.

I’ve owned:
Vortex razor gen 1
Razor gen 2
March 3-24x52
NF ATACR 4-16
Nf atacr 7-35
Vortex amg
Schmidt Bender 5-20US
Schmidt bender 3-27
TT525P
TT315M
Premier 3-15 tactical
Kahles 318i
Bushnell dmr2
And maybe a couple others I forgot.

I also use Leica hdb binos for hunting.

Anyway, as of right now I only still have my Premier which is basically the original TT.

Yes the TT glass is noticeably better than anything else out there. Don’t get behind one unless you want to buy one cause it’ll make you really really want one. Same with the turrets, if you ever get a chance to do so, you’ll then instantly be disappointed with any other scope turrets.
That said, I’m currently in the market for a higher mag scope and yes even though I’ll be giving up glass quality, I THINK I may get back into a NF 7-35 because I appreciate the 10yd parallax and extra mag.
After you get to around $2-$2500 price point I wouldn’t worry as much about glass quality as it’ll all be pretty good or certainly good enough. It’s the other features/reticle that should be most important. And that speaks to why people are drooling in this thread. A lot of People have always wanted a TT but hated the Gen2XR reticle offered and finally TT listened to the community and put out a modern updated tree type. So now you have the best glass/turrets/parallax available with a great modern reticle. It’s definitely a winner.
 
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Covertnoob5 said:
As I explained earlier there a nuances such as forgiving parallax that other scopes don’t have. The tooless re zero is a nice feature as well.

I’ve owned:
Vortex razor gen 1
Razor gen 2
March 3-24x52
NF ATACR 4-16
Nf atacr 7-35
Vortex amg
Schmidt Bender 5-20US
Schmidt bender 3-27
TT525P
TT315M
Premier 3-15 tactical
Kahles 318i
Bushnell dmr2
And maybe a couple others I forgot.

I also use Leica hdb binos for hunting.

Anyway, as of right now I only still have my Premier which is basically the original TT.

Yes the TT glass is noticeably better than anything else out there. Don’t get behind one unless you want to buy one cause it’ll make you really really want one. Same with the turrets, if you ever get a chance to do so, you’ll then instantly be disappointed with any other scope turrets.
That said, I’m currently in the market for a higher mag scope and yes even though I’ll be giving up glass quality, I THINK I may get back into a NF 7-35 because I appreciate the 10yd parallax and extra mag.
After you get to around $2-$2500 price point I wouldn’t worry as much about glass quality as it’ll all be pretty good or certainly good enough. It’s the other features/reticle that should be most important. And that speaks to why people are drooling in this thread. A lot of People have always wanted a TT but hated the Gen2XR reticle offered and finally TT listened to the community and put out a modern updated tree type. So now you have the best glass/turrets/parallax available with a great modern reticle. It’s definitely a winner.
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Okay, now it’s coming together. Yes, I fear what you warn about. And yes, as a Mark5 owner, I understand all too well what having an optic that checks all your boxes BUT the reticle is. Voila!

If these Tangent Theta scopes really are whole steps above the others listed, and not just incrementally above, then again I say wow! That’s quite the recommendation.

Given the price point, there’s no wonder why I haven’t ever seen one on the shelf at Cabelas. I don’t know I’ve ever seen one on a rifle personally. Perhaps I did and just didn’t realize it. Either way, the right move for now may be to remain blissfull ignorant and love what I have well enough to get started.

Apparently, I’m driving a Yugo and eating from the dollar tree after all.

Thanks Covert.
 
#61
I'm willing to bet TT makes most of its money from contract sales. Not retail. So that blurb on their site about "professional marksman" should be taken at face value. They don't really care if you or I buy one of their scopes for the most part. I mean, they do because they're a business. But we are not their primary target. And you can always call/email TT or ATI to confirm. The release of this new reticle, however, does seem like they have been listening to the enthusiast market's requests...

There is no marketing and no pricing on their website because they do not sell scopes to private individuals. They are in the business of manufacturing and fulfilling large contracts. ATI is the US importer/distributor. TT does not sell direct to consumer. If you want to know how much it costs, contact a retailer.

Third, if you don't see the value in the scope, don't buy one. Demanding someone try to convince you otherwise is antagonistic. Do whatever you want with your money. It seems like you can't let others do the same. You say we have "stares of disdain" toward you because you can't afford an expensive optic. Well it goes both ways. Maybe you have a bit of disdain for anybody who can? Just a thought. I don't really care what scope you buy. Hell I don't really care if you are into the shooting sports or not. But demanding someone offer you up justification for why they bought a piece of gear is a total "nub" move (btw, it's noob, not nub).

I compared many of the top scopes side by side and went with the one that met my needs and desires the most. That's all there is to it. You do the same and I'm sure you'll wind up with the best scope for your situation. If it isn't a TT, I don't think anybody here is going to lose sleep over it.
 
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I swear I've seen a video of the President of TT saying that they don't make their telescopes for profit; or some paraphrase like that.

Echoing the man with the Tool song as a handle; the parent company of TT has Elcan in their portfolio, so there are numerous military contracts for their bottom line.
 
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@Kanwhitetails - lots of good info here on the TT scope and brand of optics. I was in your same boat of asking what in the heck can warrant the price tag for an optic that has very limited reticle and model options? The quick answer is because these are scarce animals you truly have to handle one and put it to use in the field to understand it’s value. Whether that meets your criteria of ownership is your call at that point.

There are so many optics on the market that get the job done, whatever the job is. Similar to what @Covertnoob5 said I’ve owned many of the same optics and been impressed by aspects of each, but I’ve never felt there’s one optic that brought it all together. I think the TT does that, I still wouldn’t call it perfect but it’s dang close. Based on my needs and eyes. I called the illuminated reticle beautiful because it’s hard to take good pics with a phone through the scope first off lol and to have the reticle look that good based on pictures I’ve tried taking in the past was nice to see.

Having owned a TT and plans for more down the road, As with everything there are always people who don’t like an aspect of an optic for whatever reason (price,value, clarity, philosophy, etc.) I agree it’s not for everyone but if it fits your budget, needs and philosophy ild say why not.
 
#65
Of course there is plenty of good info on this site about TT. It's just a typical troll newb who wants to run his suck hole about a subject he doesn't understand, while shitting on everyone who runs quality gear.

Despite the fact everything you guys posted setting the fool strait has already been posted ad nasuem on the site, the fool keeps trolling and y'all keep feeding him. He will never own a TT, probably couldn't afford one if he even wanted one so he's trying to sling shit to A. Troll and B. Justify to himself his shitty gear is just as good.

If he was actually sincere about learning he would read through the thousands of optics threads here already. Then ask questions if he is still curious. But that is not what he wants. He gets off on y'all feeding his bs and best to just ignore posters like that that neither want real help for deserve it. Probably didn't get enough love from Mommy and Daddy and craves it from randos.
 
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As a new TT owner, I feel compelled to share my bit. To be honest, the TT needs no explanation — and I bought mine sight unseen. I knew what I wanted in an optic, glass...well that’s just a bonus when it’s this good, but all the other boxes are checked to perfection. Optics mean everything to me in precision. Durability, reliability, aesthetics, etc....

Can they Justify charging the premium? Sure! Why? Because people are paying it and they don’t have to beg to sell their product. Is it justifiable to purchase one, knowing that it’s simply a sight, that will get you on target like many other offerings? Absolutely it is! I guess if you view your optics as the most important part to your system.

The quality of TT drives its cost. The hand time in assembly. The R&D. The machinery to build and calibrate. The fact each one of their scopes is impact tested before it’s boxed. When you buy a TT, you know without question you aren’t going to get a bad sample. Everything is perfect about this optic and Theta knows this. They know it is simply the best within this niche.

I’m not sure why I’m defending them, they don’t need it. I sure as heck won’t improve my scores by running the TT, but I will rest assured knowing the most important component to my system is not a problem.
 
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Kanwhitetails said:
I wonder though, if one isn't going into theater, or putting their life in the hands of the guy on the production line, if a Ferrari is all that it's cracked up to be when a Ford still gets the job done.
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If you have a milliliter of car guy in your blood, the question will answer itself the moment you drive a Ferrari. Same with this.
 
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mrobles3808 said:
As a new TT owner, I feel compelled to share my bit. To be honest, the TT needs no explanation — and I bought mine sight unseen. I knew what I wanted in an optic, glass...well that’s just a bonus when it’s this good, but all the other boxes are checked to perfection. Optics mean everything to me in precision. Durability, reliability, aesthetics, etc....

Can they Justify charging the premium? Sure! Why? Because people are paying it and they don’t have to beg to sell their product. Is it justifiable to purchase one, knowing that it’s simply a sight, that will get you on target like many other offerings? Absolutely it is! I guess if you view your optics as the most important part to your system.

The quality of TT drives its cost. The hand time in assembly. The R&D. The machinery to build and calibrate. The fact each one of their scopes is impact tested before it’s boxed. When you buy a TT, you know without question you aren’t going to get a bad sample. Everything is perfect about this optic and Theta knows this. They know it is simply the best within this niche.

I’m not sure why I’m defending them, they don’t need it. I sure as heck won’t improve my scores by running the TT, but I will rest assured knowing the most important component to my system is not a problem.
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I'm glad you're completely satisfied with your purchase, your response is similar to others who have bought a Tangent Theta :cool:
 
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Well, I can't fit in a Fiesta or a Ferrari all that well. I do own a Tangent Theta and some day this scope will be taken from my cold dead hands.

I look at a lot of scopes every year and overall they are getting better all the time. Still, out of everything I have seen, Tangent Theta is still the best optomechanical riflescope design out there.

ILya
 
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Shanerbanner10 said:
Will TT do A reticle swap? Anyone asked or know the price if they will?
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I’ve asked in the past to get a Gen2 mil dot switched to a Gen2XR and they said it was not a service they offered at the time. My guess is they still don’t being that they can barely keep up with demand on new scopes.
But it would be awesome if they do! Maybe they will now
 
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Patiently waiting.

I used a TT for the first time last September when I went to a 3 day training class and the owner of the school had a TT. I have been on the fence relative to this scope. Read all of the hype...read all of the fanboy posts.

After seeing it, trying it and using it...I said it is tits...it is money...now that the Gen 3 reticle is on its way, I ordered one. It is as good as people say...no doubt about it. If you haven't tried one, I dare you to do so and not say it is the best out there in many respects. Is it worth the money? Only you can make that call for yourself.
 
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Given the choice between that .075 dot and a .025 dot I'll take the bigger one!!!

I can't hardly see the tiny dot in my Athlon Midas TAC 4-16 on 16x!

The more I use the different types of reticles the more I appreciate being able to see dots and hash's easier at 12x to 15x, or even low mag on occasion.
 
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steve123 said:
Given the choice between that .075 dot and a .025 dot I'll take the bigger one!!!

I can't hardly see the tiny dot in my Athlon Midas TAC 4-16 on 16x!

The more I use the different types of reticles the more I appreciate being able to see dots and hash's easier at 12x to 15x, or even low mag on occasion.
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I am with you. I like center dots in the 0.05 to 0.075 range, but 0.1 works fine for me too. Dots smaller than 0.05 give me trouble. If you want to go that thin, I prefer a small cross.

That's the same feedback I gave Athlon when I was testing the ETR with 0.035 dot.

I talked to the guys at Arken at SHOT and they are payign attention: it looks like the center dot on their reticles is going to be 0.06mrad going forward.

ILya
 
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