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That's a HARD NO -- on Globalist DeSantis.
- Thread starter Samuel Whittemore
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The trend here seems to view any election that has Trump's name tied to it as rigged and unwinnable, yet people will still pump their fists and scream Trump for 2024, somehow dismissing this belief thinking he will win another election. So explain to me, why, if you so vehemently believe the election was stolen, and will be again going forward if Trump runs, why do you continue to ride his train to nowhere?
If he is legally capable of running again come election time and feels like he doesn't have the support to win the Republican nomination over Desantis, he will turn on the party and run as an independent and basically hand the election over to the Democrats because he will subtract enough voters for Desantis to not matter.
However, if Trump's legal challenges continue and the same people that somehow managed to steal a Presidential election are crafty enough to figure out a way to convict him of something, are you really not going to vote for Desantis?
If he is legally capable of running again come election time and feels like he doesn't have the support to win the Republican nomination over Desantis, he will turn on the party and run as an independent and basically hand the election over to the Democrats because he will subtract enough voters for Desantis to not matter.
However, if Trump's legal challenges continue and the same people that somehow managed to steal a Presidential election are crafty enough to figure out a way to convict him of something, are you really not going to vote for Desantis?
I've completely soured on Trump, after voting for him twice. I've finally accepted that Trump can't/won't beat Biden, and we'll be stuck with a semi-lucid, Dementia patient for another four years. And this country will never recover from that. Trump will never get more than about 45%-47% of the vote, his living in the past and refusal to move on from 2020 guarantees it. No one gives a shit about the 2020 election anymore, especially independent voters who any Republican needs to win. Plus Trump did jack shit to advance and preserve the 2nd Amendment, just the opposite actually. Why we would take a chance on a guy who has lost once already, when our country is at the brink of no return, makes no sense to me. DeSantis is a proven hardcore conservative, without the baggage and crazy of Trump. People that would never vote for Trump will give DeSantis a chance, and that is the only way we win in 2024.
Agree with this in every way except one. There are plenty of people that still care about the 2020 election. The same people that came out in droves to make sure we didn't clean house in the mid-terms still very much care about 2020 and Jan 6th in particular. Add the Supreme Court overturning Roe vs Wade and the battle is an uphill one for sure for any Republican, let alone a guy hated as much as Trump.
Fixed it for you.
Not buying it. The guy won in a landslide in the 3rd most populous state in the country. What makes him unelectable?
Its obvious you havnt been paying attention.. He was supposed to do a Presidential kick off from his home town yesterday.. Cancelled because to many Republicans were Protesting...
Dont forget.. He was Losing until Trump endorsed him and then he won....I will double down... Unelectable .. Look at the polls He weaseled the Floridians by sealing his travel logs and changing the Having to quit before running for office rule the state had.. Removed a week or so ago... Hes been planning this for 2 years but hey.. What do I know..
Dont forget.. He was Losing until Trump endorsed him and then he won....I will double down... Unelectable .. Look at the polls He weaseled the Floridians by sealing his travel logs and changing the Having to quit before running for office rule the state had.. Removed a week or so ago... Hes been planning this for 2 years but hey.. What do I know..
If DeSantis is a loser without Trumps endorsement, then it's highly unlikely he'll take the nomination from Trump and everything will be fine in Ever Trumper Land as DeSantis slinks back to continue being Florida's Governor.
It's all just numbers and opinions until the Primary race is on for blood and we don't know who else is gonna throw their hat in the ring.
VooDoo
And 37 other candidates that he endorsed lost the election, so Trump can fuck off.
The key statistics about Trump’s endorsement track record this year.
Herschel Walker’s loss in Georgia delivers another blow to the former president in a state that has been emblematic of his struggles when it comes to endorsements.
Footnote as Im not sure you can read
- 82 percent: Mr. Trump endorsed more than 250 candidates, and his 82 percent success rate is, on the surface, impressive. But the vast majority of those endorsements were of incumbents and heavy favorites to win.
You playing dumb with me? Or are you really?
Still not sure what Ever Trumper is... I am surprised I have to edumucate you on this topic... If you support him I would think you would know a thing or two... Really!!
Trailing in polls, DeSantis scores Trump's 'full endorsement' on Twitter
The president’s show of support for DeSantis comes at a critical time for the Florida Republican.
www.politico.com
With a new poll showing he’s trailing in the GOP primary for Florida governor, Rep. Ron DeSantis got a Friday boost from President Donald Trump, who made it clear that he backs the congressman’s campaign.
Ever Trumper out... if that means something
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The key statistics about Trump’s endorsement track record this year.
Herschel Walker’s loss in Georgia delivers another blow to the former president in a state that has been emblematic of his struggles when it comes to endorsements.www.nytimes.com
Footnote as Im not sure you can read
- 82 percent: Mr. Trump endorsed more than 250 candidates, and his 82 percent success rate is, on the surface, impressive. But the vast majority of those endorsements were of incumbents and heavy favorites to win.
You playing dumb with me? Or are you really?
Interesting how you only cited the footnote you wanted us to see. You conveniently left out the fact that he was 1 for 11 in the races that mattered most in several battleground states and the Senate, both of which were supposed be locks.
Now be a good little boy and get back under his nuts where you came from.
Actually grabbed the top piece in the article
Guess you can find things when you want.. many reasons for the losses. The dynamic is that Mitch doesn’t want a majority as he is able to negotiate better and get the things he wants and the Dems pay a high price. It’s a facade .
Guess you can find things when you want.. many reasons for the losses. The dynamic is that Mitch doesn’t want a majority as he is able to negotiate better and get the things he wants and the Dems pay a high price. It’s a facade .
I do not support him - I voted for him in 1016 to keep Hillary out and did so while holding my nose.
Ever Trumper = someone who *really* has TDS - Trump Derangement Syndrome. People who are convinced beyond reason that a pathological liar who has not paid his taxes properly and has conspired to "cook the books" on his Corporation and has illegally misdirected his campaign funds to pay hush money to a porn star, told people the election was stolen and supported insurrectionists hoping for an auto coupe that would over ride the Constitution and install him as President, and is currently under indictment (and awaiting several others) is somehow the greatest President and the most upstanding and stalwart American the World has ever seen.
He's a lying prick who never paid his taxes and cooked his books and has been for cheating decades. Yet to Ever Trumpers, he is pure American Goodness because he gropes women, lies at the drop of a hat, and cheats and steals every opportunity he has.
We can't argue with an Ever Trumper because they are full of TDS - Trump Derangement Syndrome where a pathological cheater and liar is The Salt of The Earth because he makes libtards cry. He had 4 years and got jack shit done. Can we try and move along now? Or do we hand the fucking Democrats another 4 years of accelerated destruction of The Republic?
VooDoo
the people that hate trump are people that were programmed by the media to hate him.
i'd guess that 80% of trump haters got the clotshots.
i'd guess that 80% of trump haters got the clotshots.
37 may have lost, but about 220 of them won. Does he need to have a 100% success rate for you to approve? The matrix has you and you don’t even know it. They’ve programmed you to such a degree that you’re calling 220/257 as a loss.
This is exactly how propaganda works. Half of it is just a twisting of the truth. But the other half is taking an undeniable reality and framing it in a way that leads you to the conclusion of their choice.
Nothing to do with propaganda. The races we needed to win, we didn't and that's all I care about. Most of the 220 wins were destined to win from the start and could have had a monkey endorse them and the outcome wouldn't have changed.
Trump isn't going to win another election and the faster we accept it the better off we will be.
Lol. It should be noted that people affected by propaganda have no idea that they’re being or have been controlled. I’d go a step further and say that some will refuse to ever accept that it occurred and will find themselves clinging to more and more obtuse positions in order to prevent the realization that it happened.
If you find yourself repeating talking points that aren’t based in reality and were crafted as propaganda you should assume that you may have been affected.
Define “reality…” I work with a guy whose reality dictates that Biden is the best president in living memory.
Maybe you can explain what Mueller was looking into? Dont think he didnt look into Trumps Taxes, Business Dealing and anything else he could try and catch him lying about. You really need Honest material...
You keep repeating the lies out there .. When they released his tax reports its showed he paid taxes.. Name a President that donated his earning and didnt keep his pay for being President? Maybe you should take a minute and actually read about the good things Trump has done.. Takes a couple min on the interwebs.
Trump Administration Accomplishments – The White House
What about the times he used his plane for sick kids or paid peoples houses off or medical bills and so on... Is he perfect? No but you are not either... Maybe you should run for president? So we can find your faults and focus on them ... Wouldnt be to hard already.
I Think he has done good for the country.. We all have benefited from his policies. I dont think he is infallible but overall he was good and will be good..
Did you overpay your taxes? if they told you that you owed 10k in taxes would you give them 20k for fun? Not sure why not... You probably used the write off for your taxes too like he did.. but you are better because blah blah blah...
BTW Trump endorsement doesnt mean a win every time.. Their are many factors.. The cheating of the ballots is one.. Mail in ballots killed many candidates.. believe it or not.. Just like Kari Lake as posted above... If you pay attention you would see it..
Go Santo GO
DeSantis 102 - Floridians Are Furious - How to Have Fun with The Great Pretending Campaign of 2024 - The Last Refuge
I openly predicted last year, when Ron DeSantis announced his candidacy, we would have the most fun in a presidential primary in history. The last 24 hours have been absolutely hilarious. If you are not having fun at the expense of the DeSantis billionaire funders, you are doing it wrong...
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Some people are no different than the woke crazies... Talking points .. talked to death and really have no idea of what they say.
You hit the nail right on the head. Not only has Trump divided us here, but the entire Republican party as well.
It's not propaganda if it's reality. Democrats maintained control of the Senate and WON elections in KEY places they should not have, all of which were endorsed by Trump.
Not sure why it's so difficult to comprehend that he soured enough people and tarnished the Republican brand enough to cause people to come out and vote against anything related to him in a time that this country is on the brink of disaster because of Democratic policies. If you think that's propaganda, all I can say is I feel bad for you.
Thankfully Trump did swing the Supreme Court to the right or our 2nd Amendment rights would be in serious trouble. If the Dems won the House in '22 as well, you can guarantee the groundwork would be laid to add liberal justices and we would be staring at Federal bans on everything 2nd Amendment related.
Not sure why it's so difficult to comprehend that he soured enough people and tarnished the Republican brand enough to cause people to come out and vote against anything related to him in a time that this country is on the brink of disaster because of Democratic policies. If you think that's propaganda, all I can say is I feel bad for you.
Thankfully Trump did swing the Supreme Court to the right or our 2nd Amendment rights would be in serious trouble. If the Dems won the House in '22 as well, you can guarantee the groundwork would be laid to add liberal justices and we would be staring at Federal bans on everything 2nd Amendment related.
Let's say the voting masses get their shit together and decided to show up on Election Day, instead of using the soft fuzzy mail in or drop-box system designed to cheat. Now either DeSantis or Trump win great, but does this infact become the Deep State trigger to pull the pin and flush the Country? Trump may have a loyal group of supporters but for everyone supporter how many voters are NEVER going to vote for him because of his Trump like character? Let's get this sorted out now, we cannot afford four more year's of this Biden imposter, my thinking is Joe is still in the basement because he crashed and burned during the last election, this double isn't even a good actor!
The mistake some of you are making, and continue to make is in thinking the R party is any different from the D party, they are the same. They pretend to offer you a difference, but there is no difference.
Despite being elected to the highest office in the land Trump is not a politician. He is a business man and in his "old age" decided to go into public service. I see him like the founding fathers intended to have politics be. None of those guys made a living at working for .gov. This is bottom line where the issue is. If AOC can come to Washington as a bar tender and two years later is worth 31 million dollars something is very broken. And that needs to be brought up. I have a great many things I hate about her, but she is a real easy example to use as going from nothing to everything in two years. Remember her asking for help because her credit was so bad she could not find anyplace to live in DC? Doubt that is the case now.
There is one and only one reason I am on the Trump bandwagon, he is not a politician, and I don't think he "used" his time there like AOC has used that time.
Really I can "understand" people with a different political view, that is fine, and what it is to be about. I have zero issue with people thinking things differently then I. Fine I can debate those ideas. However when it crosses into what can only be described as sleazy, I have issues. AOC might have come on that 31mil by "legal" means, I don't know. My issue is she got it. Two years in DC should not take you from a bartender to a multi millionare, that is a real problem, and that is really the root of the problem. And this will never be "fixed" until that is addressed. And also that is why there is not a politician on the planet that can or will fix it. Even if he is a "good man" and against it, it will be impossible for him to fix it, the machine is too large and its reach too far. He will fail one way or the other if you catch my drift. Kennedy, Nixon, Epstein, any number of the "underlings" we see having their being come to an end, money, power there is nothing one man can do against the machine. And that sweet little clip from Schumer is quite chilling. Listen to the tone of his voice, the expression of his face. Skip the video to where he starts talking and listen to that. It will tell you that a single man can not do a single thing against "the machine".
All that said I still have hope it can be fixed, because the only other way is going to be really really messy.....really messy.
Trump is seen as not a politician, he is seen as a business man that went into politics. And I really think that is the core of his draw, and I think so many people don't see that fully. Again yes he does not agree with me 100%, no other human on the planet is going to agree with you 100%, even if you are the most happy couple on the planet and never fight you don't agree with your wife 100% of the time. It is just not possible. That does not mean to toss all to the curb that don't align with you 100%, life is not that way.
Eh another of my usual long rambles.
Despite being elected to the highest office in the land Trump is not a politician. He is a business man and in his "old age" decided to go into public service. I see him like the founding fathers intended to have politics be. None of those guys made a living at working for .gov. This is bottom line where the issue is. If AOC can come to Washington as a bar tender and two years later is worth 31 million dollars something is very broken. And that needs to be brought up. I have a great many things I hate about her, but she is a real easy example to use as going from nothing to everything in two years. Remember her asking for help because her credit was so bad she could not find anyplace to live in DC? Doubt that is the case now.
There is one and only one reason I am on the Trump bandwagon, he is not a politician, and I don't think he "used" his time there like AOC has used that time.
Really I can "understand" people with a different political view, that is fine, and what it is to be about. I have zero issue with people thinking things differently then I. Fine I can debate those ideas. However when it crosses into what can only be described as sleazy, I have issues. AOC might have come on that 31mil by "legal" means, I don't know. My issue is she got it. Two years in DC should not take you from a bartender to a multi millionare, that is a real problem, and that is really the root of the problem. And this will never be "fixed" until that is addressed. And also that is why there is not a politician on the planet that can or will fix it. Even if he is a "good man" and against it, it will be impossible for him to fix it, the machine is too large and its reach too far. He will fail one way or the other if you catch my drift. Kennedy, Nixon, Epstein, any number of the "underlings" we see having their being come to an end, money, power there is nothing one man can do against the machine. And that sweet little clip from Schumer is quite chilling. Listen to the tone of his voice, the expression of his face. Skip the video to where he starts talking and listen to that. It will tell you that a single man can not do a single thing against "the machine".
All that said I still have hope it can be fixed, because the only other way is going to be really really messy.....really messy.
Trump is seen as not a politician, he is seen as a business man that went into politics. And I really think that is the core of his draw, and I think so many people don't see that fully. Again yes he does not agree with me 100%, no other human on the planet is going to agree with you 100%, even if you are the most happy couple on the planet and never fight you don't agree with your wife 100% of the time. It is just not possible. That does not mean to toss all to the curb that don't align with you 100%, life is not that way.
Eh another of my usual long rambles.
It's too far gone to be fixed. With the Navy using transgenders as their recruiting fodder, I have lost all hope. 2nd Amendment preservation is beyond paramount at this point or we will be housing Chinese military soon.
You do bring up some very powerful points though.
How Google manipulates search to favor liberals and tip elections
There is no reason to think it won’t happen again in 2024. Only Dr. Robert Epstein is standing in the way.
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Ok I will try again.. Read this and Scour the site .. Understand what is going on... It actually very simple..
Big Picture, 2022 Midterm Elections Highlight the Distinct Difference Between Ballots and Votes - The Last Refuge
As the political discussion centers on the 2022 wins and losses from the midterm election, one thing that stands out in similarity to the 2020 general election is the difference between ballots and votes. It appears in some states this is the ‘new normal.’ Where votes were the focus, the Biden...
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The effort to attain votes for candidates is less important than the strategy of collecting ballots.
Its about the ballots not the votes... You think Fetterman actually received all his votes from actual voters?
You searched for ballots - The Last Refuge
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Yea I do agree it is too far gone.....it is just the only other thing is going to be dark ages horrid. I can hope can't I.....at the same time be as ready as I can be for a broken down old man.
How Google manipulates search to favor liberals and tip elections
There is no reason to think it won’t happen again in 2024. Only Dr. Robert Epstein is standing in the way.
It is not just that but everything.
If I am at a "new" computer and I type in Free repu
The first thing that pops up is not free republic.
I give you credit man, you have more angles of attack than an F-22 Raptor, however if it were really that simple then Republicans have a 3rd grade comprehension level and that means they learned nothing from 2020, so shame on them. Any way you spin it the results are the results and Trump has not done anything in 3 years other than run his mouth.Ok I will try again.. Read this and Scour the site .. Understand what is going on... It actually very simple..
Big Picture, 2022 Midterm Elections Highlight the Distinct Difference Between Ballots and Votes - The Last Refuge
As the political discussion centers on the 2022 wins and losses from the midterm election, one thing that stands out in similarity to the 2020 general election is the difference between ballots and votes. It appears in some states this is the ‘new normal.’ Where votes were the focus, the Biden...
The effort to attain votes for candidates is less important than the strategy of collecting ballots.
Its about the ballots not the votes... You think Fetterman actually received all his votes from actual voters?
You searched for ballots - The Last Refuge
Spoken like someone who is truly living in a false reality created by propaganda. You’re saying that Trump “soured” things. How did he do that? Was it the historic economy? The return of manufacturing? Was it unprecedented peace in the ME? Was it the lack of foreign conflicts being started? Was it the tariffs that were finally beginning the process of disconnecting from a China? Was it turning the Supreme Court conservative? Was it his crushing of ISIS after Obama spent years playing patty cake with them? What did he do?
This is my point- Trump didn’t sour anything. That’s just your perception because the only thing you know about is what the media has told you with their frame around it. This is exactly how propaganda works. Your beliefs and opinions are shaped by a twisted view of reality. It was the foaming at the mouth left and media who were aided by the FBI and Intelligence that soured things. They repeated things enough times that as soon as Fox joined in people like you started to believe them. For Gods sake y’all are literally repeating leftist talking points word-for-word
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First off, fuck the media, I want no part of it, secondly your misinterpreting where I'm going with this. I voted for Trump...twice. Loved what he did while in office. When I speak of souring people, it's the people that didn't like what he did I'm referring to, the same people that ensured he will never win another election and that want to put him behind bars. There are some Republicans in that mix as well.Spoken like someone who is truly living in a false reality created by propaganda. You’re saying that Trump “soured” things. How did he do that? Was it the historic economy? The return of manufacturing? Was it unprecedented peace in the ME? Was it the lack of foreign conflicts being started? Was it the tariffs that were finally beginning the process of disconnecting from a China? Was it turning the Supreme Court conservative? Was it his crushing of ISIS after Obama spent years playing patty cake with them? What did he do?
This is my point- Trump didn’t sour anything. That’s just your perception because the only thing you know about is what the media has told you with their frame around it. This is exactly how propaganda works. Your beliefs and opinions are shaped by a twisted view of reality. It was the foaming at the mouth left and media who were aided by the FBI and Intelligence that soured things. They repeated things enough times that as soon as Fox joined in people like you started to believe them. For Gods sake y’all are literally repeating leftist talking points word-for-word
What I don't like is how he conducted himself since the election and hasn't done anything to bring the party together, instead we are a divided party of misfits.
Herb Brooks put together a team that gave him the best chance to win, and sent some of the best players in the country home. I want the candidate that gives us the best chance to win and that might be different than the person that makes the most change while in office, however, you can't make any change if you lose.
No angle just facts is all.. Mark my words... Desantis is unelectable, Simple.. I am not spinning anything... Just put some stuff out there for review... Its information... You choose what you want to do with it.. But I will say.. Compare Bidens Policies to Trumps .. If you cant see a difference then you are the one with attack angles and you simply are not able to view truth through any lens.
O far you have reinforced nothing but a hatred for a man that gave a lot for his country including his pay...They are trying to destroy him through investigations... Give me a break.. Honesty really is the best policy.
See post #238. I already explained. You view Desantis as unelectable and I view Trump as the same for the reasons I gave, not for my opinion of his Presidency.
This. When the establishment on both the left and the right go nuts telling us Trump will be the end of us, that’s all the assurance I need that he is the right choice. It’s really that simple. Everything else is just noise.
I’ve said this but I’m not sure it’s sinking in, David Sacks is one of the main backers for DeSantis. I’m from FL and I like DeSantis but this is a huge red flag. When Trump first attacked Desantis I literally messaged one of the Trump sons to say, WTF why is he doing this. He said, DeSantis is in bed with the RINOs…you’ll see. Turns out he’s in bed with a lot of RINOs but the David Sacks info 100% confirms it.
Desantis HAS to align with these ppl to have any shot at all. It was a terrible move to do this vs just waiting until 2028. Hopefully he can come out of it without selling his soul.
Maybe you missed his last rally? Lol you are on the wrong side of history on this one.. but thats ok... A difference in opinion is what makes America Great and Trump is what will make America Great Again...
Maybe you missed the markers.. Red flags so to speak... I liked him in the beginning but he has lost his way.. You can refuse to see it or be blind but it still dosnt change the facts .
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You’re confirming exactly what I just said. You’re afraid for him to be the nominee because of what everyone says about him. Where do you think all of that stuff originates? It originates from the propaganda machine. You’re not connecting the fact that if it weren’t for the propaganda machine, 80% of the country would be behind Trump with only the true commies being against him. The answer is not to give them what they want and move on to someone else. That’s weak as hell. The answer is to give them all the finger and work twice as hard. The way we got in such a mess in this country is by nominating “electable“ people. That hasn’t worked out too well.
You're talking as if you and I are going to change it. And what's worse is you guys have all the answers as to what's wrong and how we got here but I don't see anyone doing anything to change it. We'll just continue to debate our opinions, tell each other why we're wrong and start the argument all over again after the next election cycle. Seriously, the internet is filled with people that are way smarter and more informed, yet these are the same people that go about their day and continue to let the chips fall. How many of these answers to our problems have made it beyond this forum?
That’s exacly who changes it, you and I. How do we do that? We make ppl realize that they’ve been conned. You said you like what trump did but now you’re staunchly and vocally against him only because you’re afraid of what the left or RINOs will do if he’s the nominee. That’s exactly the reaction the left and the RINOs wanted to steer people toward and now you’re out there making the case for them. But you’re sure you haven’t been affected by propaganda.
If 1/4 of trump voters could make 1 person realize it was all a scam that would be like 18 million votes. But if you cower and tuck your tail it goes the other way.
That's a great mentality to have except I've been on the merry-go-round since 2008 when Obama took office and all the ranting and raving about how to change it didn't amount to shit and he won a 2nd term. Trump comes in as the dark horse and the Dems are caught with their pants down not expecting the punch to the face they just got, but they recovered very well in 2020 and 2022.
I just feel like they are prepared to take another punch from Trump and we will be having this discussion again in 2024, or we beat them at their own game and take a page out of their playbook.
I’ll help both of you out. You are both equally propagandized. You both believe in the system designed to fuck you to death. You both believe your votes make a difference. You both probably back the blue that serves and protects politicians and oligarchs while committing violence on behalf of the criminal state. You both are likely to believe that justice is blind and can only be found courtesy of the state. You both are likely to believe in the rule of law and the constitution.
You are both equally wrong and equally brainwashed. If you weren’t then you would be trying to convince the other to stop believing in the foolosh things I just listed. Government is a criminal organization that rules by terror and force. Always was. Always will be. Nobody that serves it has any moral ground to stand on. Pretend to vote for whichever you choose. The only thing that would make any differ is non compliance to “their” rules, regulations, laws, and authority. Everything else is playing make believe.
You are both equally wrong and equally brainwashed. If you weren’t then you would be trying to convince the other to stop believing in the foolosh things I just listed. Government is a criminal organization that rules by terror and force. Always was. Always will be. Nobody that serves it has any moral ground to stand on. Pretend to vote for whichever you choose. The only thing that would make any differ is non compliance to “their” rules, regulations, laws, and authority. Everything else is playing make believe.
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