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Not a big deal as the trigger is not in direct contact with the bolt/sear so in essence you're just taking up the slack in the system with the first stage.when y’all hit the wall on that second stage of the trigger pull, does the bolt shroud lift lift up on the rails a little? Causes like a dull thud
It doesn’t. But when putting my gun back together after seeing another members post about it I can see how It could get like that. So I carefully seated the bolt release spring and did the most rearward screw first ensuring the spring was seated and compressed straight down. Did you take yours apart?
Not a big deal as the trigger is not in direct contact with the bolt/sear so in essence you're just taking up the slack in the system with the first stage.
*BREAKING NEWS: Q-B/T rift was actually a cyber attack by a 5 or 6 letter communist country to get people to not buy his guns so less Americans can defend themselves. So later when they try to take over we won’t have such short bolt throws and such lightness with such accuracy. I think they turned the two sides against each other. Because there would be NO other logical explaination. The commies were like “damn that gun is revolutionary... AND it has a Bartlein barrel chambered by Dave Tooley? We can’t have this. Have our tech dept send KB a text.. make it look like it’s from B/T. Say something about his mom or his dog or something. At the same time send one to B/T and make it look like it’s from KB and say something similar. We must end this progression now and not let this product go mainstream. It will only strengthen the West”...
I’m gonna start a go fund me to fix this. Who’s in?
I love this damn rifle. I can’t stand this because It’s just not right. You’re right. It’s his company and he can do what he wants. But if I were him I’d Call me PRONTO.
*obviously fake news
I keep having to remind myself that this is a grown man, but I'm having trouble shaking this sympathetic feeling. I wish y'all hadn't turned me on to his instagram because that is some weird shit going on over there... the praise these people are heaping on this man is creepy and the fact that he encourages it by giving everyone who makes these outlandish comments a shout out with the little praise hands really turns the creepiness up to the next level. But the childish antics, the Lamborghini, his clear need for approval and inability to handle criticism makes me wonder about his spiritual health.
You know who he and the legion of ball swingers remind me of? The guy who owns S.O.E. Gear. They're like the same guy and they attract the same crowd of suck up ball swingers.
Pretty sure Kevin has fuck you money and does not care what people say on here about him or his product . I enjoy how people get worked up over one guy most have never met .
what nightforce did you end up going with? I don't like USO B-10 and am contemplating what to swap it out for.So if I have more money than someone that gives me the right to be shitty to all of those people? Maybe we should have a salary tab on under our name over there to the left so we can figure out who's opinion matters and who's doesn't (sarcasm). You would shit yourself if you knew how much money some very plain, down-to-earth, everyday type people had. And that's here in SC. Not saying that I can or ever will come close to being able to step in the ring with some of these boys, I'm just saying. Thats probably the worst excuse for his behavior I have heard so far.
what nightforce did you end up going with? I don't like USO B-10 and am contemplating what to swap it out for.
The crying gets old . If you like him / them cool if you hate him /themcool . Gets silly just reading bitching comments . Seems like lots of guys like to get butt hurt over people they don’t know.
The crying gets old . If you like him / them cool if you hate him /themcool . Gets silly just reading bitching comments . Seems like lots of guys like to get butt hurt over people they don’t know.
The crying gets old . If you like him / them cool if you hate him /themcool . Gets silly just reading bitching comments . Seems like lots of guys like to get butt hurt over people they don’t know.
This. Can we talk about the fucking rifle?
You don’t love the limbsaver mod? It’s a limbsaver.... literally haha
Man I never had a problem w the recoil. Never bothered me. I’m used to a 300wm destroying my shoulder so the 308 is a little more than a tickle.You don’t love the limbsaver mod? It’s a limbsaver.... literally haha
Man I never had a problem w the recoil. Never bothered me. I’m used to a 300wm destroying my shoulder so the 308 is a little more than a tickle.
I’m going to recommend the HU-DU brake from Southern Precision Tooling. Small company in East Tennessee but I can personally tell you how much their brake reduces recoil. I had my 5 year old shooting my 300wm after install. Yes its that good. Look them up on youtube. I have a spare one laying around and I’m trying to decide if I want to install or keep the cherry bomb. As for the polymer strength I dont think you have anything to worry about. I’m sure the engineers at Q thought about that and didn’t source cheap components.I’m going to take it out “as is” tomorrow. The less I have to change, the happier I am. I have a Lantac brake laying around and will eventually try for comparison sake but I don’t see the myself wanting to deal with the recoil pad. My main concern is if that polymer piece can take a hard hit without cracking? Anyone have any insight on that? I would honestly like to see if I can find someone who can machine one out of aluminum. It looks like the bolts are just threaded into the plastic on the factory one but I could be wrong
If you're concerned about strength, the way I did it replaces a thin piece of rubber with hard plastic supported along most of it's length by the stock mechanism. If there is enough interest I will take mine back apart and make a step by step with better pictures. I should have done that in the first place. I do appreciate retaining the adjustment function going from the bench to the prone to a tree stand. For me recoil mitigation was only a concern after shooting a hundred rounds in that F class match with no can, no brake, and all shot from the prone. The biggest gain in my opinion comes from the ease of building your shooting position with something that has been sized and shaped for over 100 years to fit the pocket of your shoulder vs. the narrow band of flat plastic. YMMV, the gun went from a consistent 3/4 to 1/4 MOA, which could be indicative of poor fundamentals on my part.I’m going to take it out “as is” tomorrow. The less I have to change, the happier I am. I have a Lantac brake laying around and will eventually try for comparison sake but I don’t see the myself wanting to deal with the recoil pad. My main concern is if that polymer piece can take a hard hit without cracking? Anyone have any insight on that? I would honestly like to see if I can find someone who can machine one out of aluminum. It looks like the bolts are just threaded into the plastic on the factory one but I could be wrong
If you're concerned about strength, the way I did it replaces a thin piece of rubber with hard plastic supported along most of it's length by the stock mechanism. If there is enough interest I will take mine back apart and make a step by step with better pictures. I should have done that in the first place. I do appreciate retaining the adjustment function going from the bench to the prone to a tree stand. For me recoil mitigation was only a concern after shooting a hundred rounds in that F class match with no can, no brake, and all shot from the prone. The biggest gain in my opinion comes from the ease of building your shooting position with something that has been sized and shaped for over 100 years to fit the pocket of your shoulder vs. the narrow band of flat plastic. YMMV, the gun went from a consistent 3/4 to 1/4 MOA, which could be indicative of poor fundamentals on my part.
So I got my rifle back. Q fixed a chip that was on the bolt cover. I haven’t shot it yet but I was going to this weekend and did something stupid. I tried to dye the horrible blue color black with some RIT dye until I decide what color I want to cerakote the whole rifle. I tried to take the rubber butt pad off and ended up tearing the butt pad to the point where it could not be fixed and had to be replaced. I thought about the limbsaver mod but I really don’t like it to be honest so I decided to email Q at 10PM to try and get a replacement that I was sure would be outrageously priced. Within 10 minutes I had a response. I asked for replacement polymer in black and Q said they would have it in the mail today and even added springs with it all for no charge! I was blown away. He said because of the inconvenience of sending my rifle back in he would send it no problem. To be honest it was never an inconvenience. They paid for shipping to/from NH to test my rifle to make sure it was within spec, fixed the chip in the bolt cover, and then sent me more than what I asked for at no charge. For every negative thing that has been posted about Q or Keven specifically, their CS for me was more than helpful and went out of their way to ensure I am content with the rifle. I’m impressed because after dealing with other company’s CS (or lack there of) whoever is on the other side of my emails is nailing it. I just wanted others to know that Q seems like a customer based company and not so evil as others have posted. I got a tracking number for my parts and should be here Monday. Q said they will not send out replacement polymer to everyone who requests it but if you have to send the rifle in for any type of work and do not like the current color combo it may be worth the extra email to say hey, while its there would you mind? The RIT dye does not work worth a shit. It turned the blue a darker blue, but still very blue.
The limbsaver plastic is very hard. I’m sure the plastic Q uses is as well.
I wouldn’t consider myself recoil sensitive. But given that basically everyone who shot the rifle mentioned it, I changed it before I even shot it after dry firing it a bit when I first got it.
Plastic threads? Where?Very nice... may have been nice to do a comparison but I know you were on a time crunch and needed to get your barrel off. Its at least good to know that the limbsaver option exists. My main concern is dropping the thing (either the factory Q or limbsaver) right on the corner of the stock and have it bust or strip the plastic threads. You didn't happen to see metal inserts when you were taking yours apart?
Also, anyone know people that do custom machining that can basically make a 7075 (or 6061) copy of the factory polymer part? There are so few of these rifle out there that no one is going to get involved in making aftermarket stuff, if I had to guess.
Plastic threads? Where?
No plastic threads anywhere on the stock gun or on the limbsaver mod. Maybe I should have taken pictures when I did it. So the threaded gold colored aluminum bars that connect the buttpad to the stock are threaded in the back. They have a 10-32 screw in the back of them. That’s how Q connects them to the buttpad. If you move your stock all the way up or down I believe I may be visible.
So for my version of the mod I drilled a hole the limbsaver that is the exact width of the 10-32 screw body. Not the head. So then I used a screw from the hardware store wirh a wider head than the stock one had. Less likely to bus through the very hard polymer back of the limbsaver. So I’ve used essentially the same attachment method that Q used. I will say that the plastic Q used seems 10 times more likely to crack/break etc
Just be advised to anyone who takes the stock apart. They used some heavy duty thread locker on the 10-32 screws that attach the butt pad o the bars with the wheels on them. Go slow and take your time so you don’t strip it. It’ll come out but was some work to turn it because of the locker they used.
@lvmike did a metal version
Yo @midSCarolina when you gonna shoot that thing already?
Sweet. I love going out. I’m excited for you to actually give it a go. What ammo have you got loaded up?
That’s like the perfect combination of bullets to test.-FGMM 168gr SMK
-FGMM 175gr SMK
-Hornady Custom Lite 125gr pussy ammo (saw that it liked SSTs for someone else but those were actually some pretty hot handloads it looks like... oh well)
-Hornady Match 168gr ELD
-Hornady Precision Hunter 178gr ELD-X
-Federal Premium 150gr Nosler
-Nosler Trophy Grade 175gr Accubond
I'm just going out to a 100y public range today but soon I'll get out to the farm where i can shoot out to 1k. Emailed Phil at Innovative Arms about getting started on the paperwork for the suppressor so that will be something to look forward to in 9-12 months (is that about how long form4s are taking these days?).
Also, anyone know people that do custom machining that can basically make a 7075 (or 6061) copy of the factory polymer part? There are so few of these rifle out there that no one is going to get involved in making aftermarket stuff, if I had to guess.
That’s like the perfect combination of bullets to test.
I thought it was a pretty good variety. Things didn't really go well. My main takeaways were:
1) The rifle's recoil isn't that bad... I put exactly 123 rounds through it and I'm sure I will be a little sore tomorrow but it didn't bother me while I was out there.
2) The rifle does a little better if you really grip it tight as you would your semi-autos... I got marginally better groups doing it that way than when i held it loosely like I would a normal precision bolt action. This also helped manage the recoil a little.
3) The bolt lift is rough... I understand why you see people putting their thumb on the top to manipulate the bolt. After almost knocking the rifle over a few times I resorted to that same method and it worked pretty well.
4) Feeding is hit or miss with the 20 round magazine (can't remember if any of the issues occurred with a 10rnd or not but I know for sure they did with the 20. The round would bind up on the bottom of the chamber... this happened 4 or 5 times before I figured out that the loose fit of the mag in the magwell was causing the round to go in at a bad angle. I ended up just putting a little forward pressure on the back of the mag when cycling it so it didn't bind up which worked pretty well.
5) The rifle isn't accurate. I'm really pretty down about it because I am almost desperate to make this thing work. It is really cool... i think it is the perfect size and weight but it just wouldn't shoot. You can blame my fundamentals all you want but I don't think that is it... I know they may not be perfect but I feel like I was getting good trigger pulls. I took my other rifle and it shot well for me. I got a 5 round .3" group with the 5 rounds of Hornady ELD-M and it was shooting in the .75 range with american gunner which is pretty typical. I will post pics later tonight I guess but its a lot of targets and I kinda quit documenting what was what. I think I had one group that was just under 1moa with the FGMM (175 i think... surprise surprise) but a 1.25" group was a major win today. I'd say most are around 2"-2.5"... they were bad. I did the break in kosher break in. I spaced shots by about 3min for awhile (I was there 4.5hrs); I shot from the bench, I shot from prone, I cleaned the rifle halfway through to see if that would help. I shot groups quickly to see if that helped... nothing seemed to work. Groups did seem to tighten up a little toward the end but not really. I honestly don't get it and am not sure what to do about it. If anyone is in the Columbia SC area and think they can shoot it well let me know and I will let you shoot it. If @Lowlight wants to hold on to it for a little while and see what he can do with it that works. If @DAVETOOLEY wants to keep it for a little while (he has prob seen enough of Q products tho haha) thats great.. but prob not. I am just at a complete loss. I don't know if it is the contour... I noticed that the front of the barrel was pretty warm at one point and the back was still cold but I don't know if that makes any difference. These Bartlein barrels shoot great in everything else I have seen. The rifle did worse than when I was testing mil surplus 5.56 through my LMT. My LMT grouped Wolf Gold, MEN, PPU, etc better than this rifle grouped $30/box match ammo. I just don't understand. My fiancee who HATES my guns and is never nice about them literally said "I'm sorry your gun sucks" and meant it. Thats where I am right now. Confused/"bummed"
I’ve wondered the same thing. That profile makes me wonder. But I will say that Q has been able to shoot them. Look at @Ernsky s rifle. I’m sure he’s a good shooter. He sent it back and they grouped it a half minute. I think experience and familiarity is why the Q shooters can do that. @midSCarolina it isn’t that I think you can’t shoot. It’s this rifle in 308. None of the 6.5 guys have complained. You should have had them test fire it before they sent it back to you. People don’t realize how hard shooing half minute is. It’s not something everyone is born with. It takes work. You should post the targets. We can tell a lot by looking. It a rifle has 4 tight and one off then it’s probably not the gun.I wonder if the dog knot towards the end of the barrel on the .308 is playing hell with the harmonics or leaving a tight spot in the bore due to different rates of thermal growth. My 17” 6.5 Creedmoor is a laser and it’s pretty damn light, I don’t feel like I’m more focused on fundamentals anymore than when I shoot my other rifles.
No plastic threads, I used square nuts on the stainless bolts through the stock mechanism.Very nice... may have been nice to do a comparison but I know you were on a time crunch and needed to get your barrel off. Its at least good to know that the limbsaver option exists. My main concern is dropping the thing (either the factory Q or limbsaver) right on the corner of the stock and have it bust or strip the plastic threads. You didn't happen to see metal inserts when you were taking yours apart?
Also, anyone know people that do custom machining that can basically make a 7075 (or 6061) copy of the factory polymer part? There are so few of these rifle out there that no one is going to get involved in making aftermarket stuff, if I had to guess.
@Movistar you really have a hardon for The Fix but I have to agree and the only reason why is I have proof targets and measurements of the accuracy Q got with my rifle after sending it in. I still haven’t had the chance to shoot mine but I have some ideas about what to change to improve. @midSCarolina mine was doing literally the exact same thing that you described and I tried almost the same lineup of ammo you listed. I read an article and if I can find it again I will post it. It talked about how to shoot a lightweight rifle and how different it was from heavier hunting rifles and bench guns. My buddy has a Kimber Adirondack in 308 that does almost the same thing that The Fix is doing and after reading the article he has brought his groups in to sub-moa and now 1/2” at 100 after practice and finding the right load data. These rifles just shoot different and I’m determined to figure out how to get mine on.I’ve wondered the same thing. That profile makes me wonder. But I will say that Q has been able to shoot them. Look at @Ernsky s rifle. I’m sure he’s a good shooter. He sent it back and they grouped it a half minute. I think experience and familiarity is why the Q shooters can do that. @midSCarolina it isn’t that I think you can’t shoot. It’s this rifle in 308. None of the 6.5 guys have complained. You should have had them test fire it before they sent it back to you. People don’t realize how hard shooing half minute is. It’s not something everyone is born with. It takes work. You should post the targets. We can tell a lot by looking. It a rifle has 4 tight and one off then it’s probably not the gun.
There’s something to this. If it’s the profile, or the gun is just harder to GROUP (notice I didn’t say shoot) I don’t know. But there’s something there
Why don't you drive over and together we'll take a look at everything. Then put a few rounds down range. Leaving for Shot Monday morning.I thought it was a pretty good variety. Things didn't really go well. My main takeaways were:
1) The rifle's recoil isn't that bad... I put exactly 123 rounds through it and I'm sure I will be a little sore tomorrow but it didn't bother me while I was out there.
2) The rifle does a little better if you really grip it tight as you would your semi-autos... I got marginally better groups doing it that way than when i held it loosely like I would a normal precision bolt action. This also helped manage the recoil a little.
3) The bolt lift is rough... I understand why you see people putting their thumb on the top to manipulate the bolt. After almost knocking the rifle over a few times I resorted to that same method and it worked pretty well.
4) Feeding is hit or miss with the 20 round magazine (can't remember if any of the issues occurred with a 10rnd or not but I know for sure they did with the 20. The round would bind up on the bottom of the chamber... this happened 4 or 5 times before I figured out that the loose fit of the mag in the magwell was causing the round to go in at a bad angle. I ended up just putting a little forward pressure on the back of the mag when cycling it so it didn't bind up which worked pretty well.
5) The rifle isn't accurate. I'm really pretty down about it because I am almost desperate to make this thing work. It is really cool... i think it is the perfect size and weight but it just wouldn't shoot. You can blame my fundamentals all you want but I don't think that is it... I know they may not be perfect but I feel like I was getting good trigger pulls. I took my other rifle and it shot well for me. I got a 5 round .3" group with the 5 rounds of Hornady ELD-M and it was shooting in the .75 range with american gunner which is pretty typical. I will post pics later tonight I guess but its a lot of targets and I kinda quit documenting what was what. I think I had one group that was just under 1moa with the FGMM (175 i think... surprise surprise) but a 1.25" group was a major win today. I'd say most are around 2"-2.5"... they were bad. I did the break in kosher break in. I spaced shots by about 3min for awhile (I was there 4.5hrs); I shot from the bench, I shot from prone, I cleaned the rifle halfway through to see if that would help. I shot groups quickly to see if that helped... nothing seemed to work. Groups did seem to tighten up a little toward the end but not really. I honestly don't get it and am not sure what to do about it. If anyone is in the Columbia SC area and think they can shoot it well let me know and I will let you shoot it. If @Lowlight wants to hold on to it for a little while and see what he can do with it that works. If @DAVETOOLEY wants to keep it for a little while (he has prob seen enough of Q products tho haha) thats great.. but prob not. I am just at a complete loss. I don't know if it is the contour... I noticed that the front of the barrel was pretty warm at one point and the back was still cold but I don't know if that makes any difference. These Bartlein barrels shoot great in everything else I have seen. The rifle did worse than when I was testing mil surplus 5.56 through my LMT. My LMT grouped Wolf Gold, MEN, PPU, etc better than this rifle grouped $30/box match ammo. I just don't understand. My fiancee who HATES my guns and is never nice about them literally said "I'm sorry your gun sucks" and meant it. Thats where I am right now. Confused/"bummed"