Very much appreciated, just let me know the when and where. Means a lot
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Very much appreciated, just let me know the when and where. Means a lot
And this is why I will continue to do business with Dave. Can't beat that offer.
I’m in Cola every week and have a new 16” 308 Fix. Lmk if you want to shoot it for a side by side comparison. My scope should be here middle of next week.
I know how you feel right now.
More or less mirrors my first few experiences. Nothing I shot out of it grouped well and I couldn’t figure out if I was throwing shots or it was the barrel because they were all over the place. Just left feeling frustrated, like I had wasted ammo and scratching my head with no idea where I went wrong.
I’ve had to change the way I shoot, run the bolt (thumb on bolt shroud when in prone and pinch the bolt with index and thumb everywhere else) and experiment a lot with what results in tighter groups but it does get better. If you call 3 round 3/4-1 inch groups good. I sure don’t but I still like the rifle.
I’ve got 600 rounds through mine and it’s grouping better or I’m shooting it better or both.
I get 1 feeding or light primer strike issue every 10 round mag and have since I got it. That hasn’t changed.
You’re not going to like it but all I can say is fundamentals, fundamentals, fundamentals.
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It could be... I would love for that to be the issue. The best groups i shot were my 3rd group and then something towards the end... like the 21st or something. I closed the bolt on an empty mag (thinking it was loaded) and I didn't notice any movement when I pulled the trigger, so I felt like I was focused. Way more focused than when I shot my other rifle (where I was some weird type of pissed of and was basically just cycling the bolt and pulling the trigger as quickly as I could while thinking about why the Fix wasn't shooting well). I took breaks where I took a step back, thought about my fundamentals for a min before getting back to it. I was determined to shoot this thing well. I wanted so badly to come back and report that it shot great. I felt very comfortable behind the rifle and tried every method of shooting I know. What changes have you made to your shooting to change how this thing shoots? How much exactly has it improved over those 600 rounds? I'm telling you, nothing would make me happier than for someone to take my rifle and make me look stupid with it. Attached are some examples of how it shot. Also will attach my 4 test groups from when I was testing surplus 556 through my MRP (that PPU group ended up not being the norm and it opened up to about 1.3-1.5" on average... the rifle also shot American Eagle MSR really well but didn't get a pic). On a positive note, the whole experience did lead me to order 2 old fashioneds last night at dinner and they were about the best thing I had ever put in my mouth haha
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I also don't really understand how fundamentals would be different for the same exact rifle with a 6.5creed barrel on it. Its the same rifle and those guys aren't having any issues. The issue people were talking about with the .308 was the "recoil" but the recoil isn't bad. I feel great this morning... feel like I could go put another 150 through it (I'm not a big guy... 5'11 175lbs)... no bruising whatsoever. I understand that most of your serious long range guys aren't really going with .308s right now, but still, something isn't jiving.
On a side note, that Nosler Trophy Grade shot like hell but I am sure it will pack a wallop haha. Noticeably heavier recoil and looked like a flash grenade went off at the muzzle. Literally sat up and was like "whoa" after the first round. The 125gr SST Hornady custom lite shot ok but I just don't have the time or space to pick up reloading again right now... but that a hotter round with that same SST projectile could be a good option for those who do reload.
On a side note, that Nosler Trophy Grade shot like hell but I am sure it will pack a wallop haha. Noticeably heavier recoil and looked like a flash grenade went off at the muzzle. Literally sat up and was like "whoa" after the first round. The 125gr SST Hornady custom lite shot ok but I just don't have the time or space to pick up reloading again right now... but that a hotter round with that same SST projectile could be a good option for those who do reload.
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20 rounds of FGMM 175 and 20 of FGMM 168
What do y'all think about Badger unimounts? I am already hearing the collective "Seriously?
".... but looking at my rifle this morning it looks like the scope shifted about 1/2" toward the muzzle over the course of the day. It didn't rotate any... just shifted on that one axis. I tightened exactly to Badger's specs "Place the scope in the rings, put on the cap and install ALL the screws loosley, (do not use Loctite) holding the short end of the T-15 wrench tighten about as tight as you can get it. (holding the short end of the T-15 wrench!)" but that didn't seem to work. All the bolts are still tight and I can't move the scope around by hand but it DEFINITELY shifted. I am going set everything back up and torque to 25 in/lbs, like I normally do, and see what happens. I may still have issues, but I don't think the scope moving around did me any favors.
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That definitely isn’t good. If your scopes moving in the mount there’s no way accuracy is going to be great. Never had any issues with badger mounts myself, but I prefer Spuhr. Spuhr has a lot of meat contacting the tube and their torque specs run higher.
I may have just not have tightened it enough. I pulled out the torque “wrench” and, while tight, they were not quite at 25 in/lbs so gotta give that a try before wasting a busy man’s time
Seriously?
I kid. I was going to ask about that. The reason I asked for the groups is that may have been an issue. Looking at them this morning I think that’s part of the issue for sure. Two rounds touch. Then two rounds close together 2 inches over. I think you have an optic problem my friend.
I kid. I was going to ask about that. The reason I asked for the groups is that may have been an issue. Looking at them this morning I think that’s part of the issue for sure. Two rounds touch. Then two rounds close together 2 inches over. I think you have an optic problem my friend.
Here’s some shots of the vert grip. I like it a lot. Had to trim the back strap a bit and I may take off like 1/8” from the finger rest but the grip is amazing ????
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I wish this would have happened while i was working in Greenwood, i would have come down and brought mine for comparison.
I'm flying out to Oklahoma tomorrow so i think i will take my 308 to the range out there and see what it does out to about 1300 yds. My luck the wind will be sideways at 100 mph.
This is exactly what mine did. 2 shots touching and then 2 shots touching an inch higher.
What optic is this?20 rounds of FGMM 175 and 20 of FGMM 168
What do y'all think about Badger unimounts? I am already hearing the collective "Seriously?
So is anyone having good results with accuracy with the 308? Ordered one about 2 months ago and am now nervous about it.
I have not had good results personally but I sent my rifle back to Q and they shot sub moa. I don’t know what they do differently but it’s working. I’m waiting on parts but next weekend will try it again and see of things improve. Here is the proof target from Q along with their testing ammo and optic info.
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Dude we need tons of pics of your rifle already. I can’t decide if I’m going Mk5 3-18 or Atacr 4-16...
As soon as I get the parts and get it back together I’ll take some pics. I have 2 of the MK5 one with the Tremor 3 reticle and the other with the TMR. Goes without saying but for anything 200yds plus I’d go with the Tremor 3. Where I hunt it could be 50yds to 300yds and the TMR is clearly visible at both close and longer ranges where as the Tremor 3 is extremely hard to make out at closer ranges.
Has anyone tried shooting their 308 rifles in a hog saddle to provide better support and to take the shooter out of the equation?
No but I have tried it from bipod and bags. Usually a good setup which makes me wonder what Q uses during testing.
Not a 308 but here's 3 rounds at standing height with my 6 Creed fix off the RRS with the Arca Swiss rail my buddy and I developed. Well under 1/2moa, but not quite as well as I shoot with it prone.
I’m usually a NF guy. Just sold my NX8. It was the first NF I didn’t LOVE. The weight difference is what makes me curious about the Mk5. Almost a half pound... (for the x50mm NF, I could look at the x42mm as well and it’s only 5 oz different).
In an unrelated note. Has anyone used small rifle primer brass in their fix? I’m about to order some and want to make sure it jives with the firing pin
I think you found your major issue.20 rounds of FGMM 175 and 20 of FGMM 168
What do y'all think about Badger unimounts? I am already hearing the collective "Seriously?
There’s so much inconsistency in those groups no wonder you’re scratching your head.
Once you get that dialed in fingers crossed you can then have some consistency and just work on getting comfortable with the rifle.
I wouldn’t say it’s hard to shoot but getting comfortable with it (mostly the recoil and how much it jumps between shots) took longer than I expected.
MK5 I had was garbage. It went back to Leupold 2 times. It would not track and the reticle was misaligned. After it came back the second time I dumped it.
Desert Tech shoots good out of my .308 Fix. And it’s a green mountain barrel. It’s about $.50 a round higher but if you reload it’s worth it because you get good fired brass out of it instead of just federal brass.
Alright so I am going to have to eat my words on the accuracy. Actually got the scope rings torqued to 30 in/lbs (i think they were prob around 10-15) and having a properly installed scope made all the difference in the world. Shot 3 5 round groups... one with Hornady 168gr ELD-M and 2 with 175gr FGMM (shot 2 because I knew I pulled a shot in the first group... as you will *see down and to the right*). This is out of the B/T .308 16".
One thing I noticed today (what caused me to pull the shot) is that the thinner cheek rest makes it hard to lay on like you are laying on a pillow, if that makes sense. I had inconsistent pressure when i pulled the trigger and it when low and to the right.
Single group is FGMM... on the other target, it is Hornady ELD-M to the right and the FGMM with the flyer to the left . All are 5 round groups
One thing I noticed today (what caused me to pull the shot) is that the thinner cheek rest makes it hard to lay on like you are laying on a pillow, if that makes sense. I had inconsistent pressure when i pulled the trigger and it when low and to the right.
Single group is FGMM... on the other target, it is Hornady ELD-M to the right and the FGMM with the flyer to the left . All are 5 round groups
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Well shit man now you have me wondering about my setup. Its the MK5 in badger rings. Rings are tq’d to 20in lbs and the rings to rail are tq’d to 50in lbs. I have another MK5 I may try on it due to what someone posted above about MK5 being garbage and not tracking correctly and your post about pairs toching and then having following pairs touching but high or low. I haven’t noticed the optic moving in the rings but always a possibility. Did you wait between shots to let the barrel cool or crank off a 5 round group? Also did you let the barrel cool and notice any cold bore flyers?
Thank god for that.
Far to easy to insight a riot with bum intel.
Folks keep it real.
There is no way Dave Tooley or Bartlein would have agreed to work with Q had the product not been up to scratch.
Clearly KB is what we Brits refer to as thrush (google is and apply slang) and is a great sales man. He has a solid team of engineers behind him who have produced a great product.
The way Dave Tooley and Bartlein have been bad mouthed is not right. My belief is keep matters of this kind behind closed doors. It’s clearly not performance related as the products are working.
Great to hear it was the scope/mount and now you can just get used to the rifle and actually see when you pull a shot.
That’s a great looking setup. Maybe one day I’ll break down and paint my fix, I just don’t want to ruin the look of it if I screw up.
What is with the bulge on the grip where your trigger finger goes? Is that to promote a better trigger pull?
I think the rifle shoots fine. I still have other issues with the product itself, but I can work with those. Basically look at points 1-4 on my original report. The fix is a great design, but I feel like certain aspects of the execution fell a little flat. @newguy2k3v2 's suggestion about the velcro is excellent and I will definitely be putting that to use, but I will always have a bitter taste in my mouth from what I have seen from this Kevin guy (whether I know him or not). When one guy is calling us "fags" despite the fact we are spending thousands of dollars on his products, and another (Dave) offers to take on a nobody like myself's case, despite the fact that he has no obligation to do so, financial or otherwise, says a lot about character and who has it and who doesn't. I wish I could have lied and said it wasn't shooting well just so I could go meet the man and get the opportunity to shoot with him, but I will not waste his time unnecessarily. As I have said before, buying a good product from a shitty person doesn't satisfy me. Good products from good people. We are all on the same team here when it comes down to it and I think it is obvious that Dave Tooley understands that. I encourage people to think about not only what they are buying but who they are buying it from.
Happy you identified your problem. When good guns shoot that bad it's almost always a mechanical problem. You or anyone else is welcome to stop by. I'm a shooter and enjoy hanging out with shooters. I have 200 yds shooting out of the shop door. Out to 1200 about 6 miles away when there's no crops in the fields and I going to seriously work at finding a permanent location out 1500+ this winter.
Thank you!!
Yeah it promotes a 90 degree finger. It looks a little odd and it takes a minute to get used to, but I noticed when trying to group that my hand feels the best when it’s in the position of this grip. ????
Right lol. I love mine. It’s a hammer and I’ve never had a bad experience with Q customer service ??
Trying to figure out what else I can do with it!
Right lol. I love mine. It’s a hammer and I’ve never had a bad experience with Q customer service ??
I have had the same experience, my rifle shoots little bitty groups, cycles fine, love the trigger, and had good luck with customer service.
We have established at this point that KB is a douche, just love the rifle for what it is and base your purchasing decision off the rifle itself.
If we can get 50 ppl I’d be in on that but that may be a hard number to get to
It's a medium Palma contour. Somewhere in this thread I listed some weights.
16″ 308 WIN
- WEIGHT: 2 lb 3.7 oz
- CONTOUR: Light
- RIFLING: 5R, 1:10 Twist
- WEIGHT: 3 lb 2 oz
- CONTOUR: Medium Palma
- RIFLING: 5R, 1:7 Twist
I wonder if the 3lb 2oz on their website is right. I weighed my Green Mountain 22 6.5 barrel and it was 3lb 12oz. It’s like they left the 1 off on accident. And it makes sense because the weights of the two guns are 1.2lbs different. So I don’t see how the barrel is only 3lb 2oz.
I would love to see someone make a round bolt knob . Even if it caused stock not to fold properly.
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