The Gay Tiger is tempting me from shooting straight with 6BR.

[grassassin]

I have an MPA PMR rifle in 6BR that is almost ready. At the last minute, I asked if it is possible to change to 6GT. Lisa at MPA says most likely. I plan on using the rifle to shoot some PRS, a bit of ELR, and to apply general principles of firearm fun-time to the human/gun partnership. I do reload. Should I stick with 6BR? Or should I explore my more flamboyant side by experimenting with this new-fangled 6GT hotness?

And/or are these Gay Tiger jokes getting old and everyone should go back to picking on the 6.5CM?

Anyway, my primary reason for the last minute reconsideration of cartridge orientation is that the 6GT may offer better reliability in terms of feeding. On top of that, it may offer a bit more versatility in that I can load it mildly to perform similar to 6BR but light it up hotter for extended distance.

However my reconsideration of the reconsideration is based on some reports that the reliability claims of 6GT are not what they were originally cracked up to be while the 6BR is enjoying newfound reliability with the latest magazine developments, to the extent that reliability is no longer a relevant issue.

In addition, as a relatively inexperienced reloader, am I giving up some magical ease of reloading the 6BR versus what may turn out to be a relatively finicky 6GT.

And as a member of the poors, am I going to miss out on the efficiency of the 6BR, foregoing meals in order to feed a more powder-hungry 6GT.

Or am I just overthinking all this, being better off flipping a coin or just going with my original work order so as not to inconvenience Lisa, Woody, and the rest of the good folks at MPA with last minute hems and haws.

Would appreciate any and all advice from those who have more experience, knowledge, and wisdom than I.

Now don't hit me ...but I was also thinking of changing my order from the Matrix Pro II chassis to the Vanquish. Advice? Reprimands?

 

[moosemeat]

I shoot a 6gt and love it. I did have to tune the mags more than I expected from the initial reports. My favorite thing about it is 33.3 grains of varget pushes a 109 ELD 2915fps and shoots in the .3s for 10 shot groups. Hornaday brass seems to be doing well after 4 reloading and is cheap.

 

[grassassin]

The fact that you can get Hornady brass is appealing. And in terms of powder efficiency, it seems the GT is every bit as efficient as the BR.

Thanks, that's one more point for the tiger.

 

[kthomas]

The reliability issues with mag feeding 6BR was solved a long time ago.

The MDT BR mags have worked very well for me (6BRA).

The reasons to go with GT are faster velocities, better suited for heavier projectiles, and factory ammo.

The argument for BR is better quality reloading equipment, consistency (maybe?) and barrel life.

 

[Herb Stoner]

Gay is the way…

 

[grassassin]

I think you guys have turned me out. Gay Tiger it is. I just hope this won't increase my wait time.

 

[steve101610]

Why not go dasher and settle in the middle. Super easy to load for and feeds great in mdt br mags.

 

[MaximusDecimusMeidius]

it doesn't matter much if any for prs

not really worth the time or energy in deciding between the two

implement a good training regimen and match schedule and reload with quality components in a consistent manner

any small differences between a 6br or 6gt will be way down the list in priority of importance

 

[grassassin]

it doesn't matter much if any for prs

not really worth the time or energy in deciding between the two

implement a good training regimen and match schedule and reload with quality components in a consistent manner

any small differences between a 6br or 6gt will be way down the list in priority of importance

This helps put things in perspective, thank you.

 

[2c1fr]

I’d stick with the 6br myself

 

[tna9001]

A 6mm for ELR? Seriously?

 

[moosemeat]

Not having to run mags with a kit or special mags made it easy for me. Plus box ammo in a pinch shoots well. I can have (and do) multiple short action barrels for my impact and not have to have hundreds of dollars in mags that I can't use for say, 308, 6.5 creed, 6gt, what ever. My mags tuned for 6gt feed 308 flawlessly.
The only advantage of 6br/dasher/brx what ever is the easy of loading. So if the speed if 6gt and the need of 1/2 moa groups only why not go with the round that has ammo availability AND doesn't take special mags or kits? That's a real question.
I don't shoot PRS, I shoot F Class and a little 22 ARA. I load for ideally sub 1/2 moa 20 shot groups. Any less and I'm not even really in contention.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

I have shot GT for almost 4 years. It's a great round.

Stick with 6BR or better yet do a BRA. Longer barrel life, easier to tune, you can't make a bad load if you try. Awesome aw 12 mags from grey ops.

If I was starting over today I would run a 6bra using 6br brass from Lapua. The fire form loads are consistent and accurate enough to win matches with.

Hornady brass is AIDS unless you never plan to fire it again. I wouldn't even entertain the idea unless it was getting chucked after virgin firing.

 

[powdahound76]

6BR

If you cant do everything inside 1k with it, shoot it more till you can.

I am still in the shoot it more phase and still very happy with how it is performing

 

[MaximusDecimusMeidius]

as long as alpha or lapua make brass for it and you can see trace with it and you are shooting Bergers around 2800 fps then it really doesn’t matter for PRS

 

[steve123]

6x47L was fine before but 6mmBR has been an easy cartridge to deal with as far as low ES and benchrest precision, and if I need more I go up to 6.5 Saum.

The Lapua brass for 6mmBR, the .059 flash hole, short powder column, and long brass life, no case prep, low recoil and .3" groups makes for a fantastic little cartridge.

One time with my 6mmBR at 1000Y I had 1.75" vertical for 9 of the 10 shots on a steel plate, something my four 6x47L barrels and tuned loads would not do. That kinda won me over.

 

[MaximusDecimusMeidius]

This is literally shots 2-6 in a 6 dasher with virgin dasher alpha ocd brass, Berger 109 lrht, 31.8 grain target, seated .002” off touch point

Zero load development

All rifle and reloading components anybody can put together in their shop or reloading room

I wouldn’t complicate it if you’re just starting out. Time and energy is much more productive in other places

Nothing wrong with talking about cartridge selection. Hell I love it too.

I’m on the dasher train but 25 creed is tempting

 

[MaximusDecimusMeidius]

Shots 7-11

 

[MaximusDecimusMeidius]

Shots 12-16 opened up some going as fast as I could

 

[lash]

A 6mm for ELR? Seriously?

Well, I’d say not for ELR competition, but for casual out to a mile, why not? 6BR holds out, barely, to a mile. Under the right conditions and not always for first round hits. Meh, it’s a matter of of perspective.

 

[kthomas]

Well, I’d say not for ELR competition, but for casual out to a mile, why not? 6BR holds out, barely, to a mile. Under the right conditions and not always for first round hits. Meh, it’s a matter of of perspective.

IMO, ELR is not any specific distance, but when projectiles go transonic. ELR with a .22LR is very different than ELR with a .375CT.

You can easily take a 6BR out to a mile + and have a lot of fun. I know someone that's successfully taken a .243 out to ~2,400 yards. Is it going to be as predictable and capable as a .375CT at that distance? No. But if you're having fun and learning along the way, that's what matters.

 

[NHPiper]

I just bought my first 6gt. Solus Action with an 18-in Keystone spun Barrel. It was stupid easy to do load development. This was my 20 round string today with 105 hybrids and 32.9 grains of varget.

I'm a huge fan, coming from 6 creedmoor. I wanted something that punched harder than 223ai and was easier to load for.

Those are the last two 5x groups I shot after messing with seating depth a little bit.

It's running out of an ATX chassis with standard 308 aics magazines. I need to tweak some AW mags to see if I can get them to run.

 

[shoot4fun]

I have an MPA PMR rifle in 6BR that is almost ready. At the last minute, I asked if it is possible to change to 6GT. Lisa at MPA says most likely. I plan on using the rifle to shoot some PRS, a bit of ELR, and to apply general principles of firearm fun-time to the human/gun partnership. I do reload. Should I stick with 6BR? Or should I explore my more flamboyant side by experimenting with this new-fangled 6GT hotness?

And/or are these Gay Tiger jokes getting old and everyone should go back to picking on the 6.5CM?

Anyway, my primary reason for the last minute reconsideration of cartridge orientation is that the 6GT may offer better reliability in terms of feeding. On top of that, it may offer a bit more versatility in that I can load it mildly to perform similar to 6BR but light it up hotter for extended distance.

However my reconsideration of the reconsideration is based on some reports that the reliability claims of 6GT are not what they were originally cracked up to be while the 6BR is enjoying newfound reliability with the latest magazine developments, to the extent that reliability is no longer a relevant issue.

In addition, as a relatively inexperienced reloader, am I giving up some magical ease of reloading the 6BR versus what may turn out to be a relatively finicky 6GT.

And as a member of the poors, am I going to miss out on the efficiency of the 6BR, foregoing meals in order to feed a more powder-hungry 6GT.

Or am I just overthinking all this, being better off flipping a coin or just going with my original work order so as not to inconvenience Lisa, Woody, and the rest of the good folks at MPA with last minute hems and haws.

Would appreciate any and all advice from those who have more experience, knowledge, and wisdom than I.

Now don't hit me ...but I was also thinking of changing my order from the Matrix Pro II chassis to the Vanquish. Advice? Reprimands?

@grassassin , like so many of us, the GT will keep you until the next nice "piece of brASS" comes along.

 

[grassassin]

I shoot a 6gt and love it. I did have to tune the mags more than I expected from the initial reports. My favorite thing about it is 33.3 grains of varget pushes a 109 ELD 2915fps and shoots in the .3s for 10 shot groups. Hornaday brass seems to be doing well after 4 reloading and is che

I have shot GT for almost 4 years. It's a great round.

Stick with 6BR or better yet do a BRA. Longer barrel life, easier to tune, you can't make a bad load if you try. Awesome aw 12 mags from grey ops.

If I was starting over today I would run a 6bra using 6br brass from Lapua. The fire form loads are consistent and accurate enough to win matches with.

Hornady brass is AIDS unless you never plan to fire it again. I wouldn't even entertain the idea unless it was getting chucked after virgin firing.

Thanks for the solid advice. Though I was swayed toward the 6GT earlier, I held off confirming the change away from 6BR and I am glad I did. You mention some things that had made me decide on the BR in the first place, especially barrel life. As for the BRA, I initially crossed the improved cartridge off my list under the belief that the difference was too small to matter but now I notice a lot more shooters are running the BRA than standard. A lot more. This is something I am going to have to reconsider.

 

[45-90]

I too was between the 6 GT and something else...I looked hard at the 6 Dasher and Alpha came out with brass for it.
So my choice was the 6 Dasher...and I'm very happy with that decision. It's super accurate with a variety of bullets, and gives up nothing to the 6 GT.
I can run similar velocity with slighty less powder.
I'd run the 6 Dasher first, then the 6 BRA, before even considering the 6 GT cause it's been out for a fairly long time and we have observed its performance.

 

[grassassin]

Very compelling. You know, I can't remember why the Dasher ever fell of my list. For me this is now between 6BR/BRA and 6 Dasher.

If I changed my order like this in a restaurant I would expect the cooks to spit in my food. I hope the folks at MPA don't hawk a loogie in the rifle's chamber.

 

[Holliday]

 

[diggler1833]

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^ That's like an AI owner. And since I have an AI and 6GT barrel, I guess that makes me twice as bad.

 

[NHPiper]

^ That's like an AI owner. And since I have an AI and 6GT barrel, I guess that makes me twice as bad.

Are you running standard AW mags? Just started playing with them and am wondering if I can tweak open the front feed lips.

 

[diggler1833]

Are you running standard AW mags? Just started playing with them and am wondering if I can tweak open the front feed lips.

I tried...I failed twice. Got some great nose dives.

I got a Gray Ops, and for the first ~50-60 rounds so far it has been great.

I have a 6CM barrel on it now, so it will be a while before I test further, sorry.

 

[tna9001]

IMO, ELR is not any specific distance, but when projectiles go transonic. ELR with a .22LR is very different than ELR with a .375CT.

You can easily take a 6BR out to a mile + and have a lot of fun. I know someone that's successfully taken a .243 out to ~2,400 yards. Is it going to be as predictable and capable as a .375CT at that distance? No. But if you're having fun and learning along the way, that's what matters.

There’s a big difference between sending rounds down range until you happen to hit the target and precision shooting. IMO, if you can’t get 80% hits under favorable conditions then you’re shooting too far.

 

[kthomas]

There’s a big difference between sending rounds down range until you happen to hit the target and precision shooting. IMO, if you can’t get 80% hits under favorable conditions then you’re shooting too far.

There's also a difference between just trying to learn things and have fun, versus trying to win comps.

I'm not sure what the OPs intents are, but I bet more towards the former.

 

[tna9001]

There's also a difference between just trying to learn things and have fun, versus trying to win comps.

I'm not sure what the OPs intents are, but I bet more towards the former.

I suppose it’s my mistake to assume that the intention of precision shooting is to get better.

Some people like doing mag dumps with their AR. Good for them but they aren’t getting better.

 

[VikingSinEater]

I really like the GT.. I’ve developed some fantastic rounds using my 550 Dillon and using volumetric powder throw with 6.5 Staball… no trickling for me!!! So if a round can use Staball I’m in… photo is a 20 rounds group out of a Faxon barrel on a day with 15 mph wind… minimal load development. I’m taking a hard look at the 25GT as well now… alpha makes brass and seems you can get the 135s up to 2700 fps out of a 26” barrel with Staball… or going 25 Creed. But that’s a problem for future me. ATM I’m loving 6GT. 6BR will be great as well, but I hate tricklers….

 

[lash]

I suppose it’s my mistake to assume that the intention of precision shooting is to get better.

Some people like doing mag dumps with their AR. Good for them but they aren’t getting better.

And how does one get better? By practicing. Some practice making the tiniest little groups as that their idea of fun. Others have different ideas.

 

[moosemeat]

And how does one get better? By practicing. Some practice making the tiniest little groups as that their idea of fun. Others have different ideas.

Obviously wrong. You can't have fun. It must be miserable. That's why we work all those hours and spend the time shooting. To be miserable and not enjoy it.
The idea of a 6mm anything for elr is kind of silly, but if that's what you got why not push the limits and do what you want? Learn on the way and enjoy it.

 

[XP1K]

People think 3-400 yards with a 22 is silly too. But a lot of us here sure do enjoy it.

 

[moosemeat]

People think 3-400 yards with a 22 is silly too. But a lot of us here sure do enjoy it.

I'm one of em.

 

[diggler1833]

A great question is why should anyone give a shit about what someone else shoots for fun?

I'm off now to go boo the retards on the KelTec forum...

 

[XP1K]

I'm one of em.

Are you in the silly camp, or the enjoy it camp ?