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The war in Ukraine and Donbas

It certainly seems, that with the advancements in drone technology, that tanks, rocket launchers, and anything mechanized is just expensive fodder for target practice. Am I wrong?

That is kind of the whole point, when things that cost 50+ million a piece are getting blowed up every day, there is lots of money to be skimmed...
 
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It certainly seems, that with the advancements in drone technology, that tanks, rocket launchers, and anything mechanized is just expensive fodder for target practice. Am I wrong?
Both Russia and Ukraine still want as many tanks as they can get, in war shit gets blown up.

Also consider that artillery still inflicts ~70% of battlefield casualties so some sort of mobile metal box is always going to be used as no one wants a true role-play of WW1.
 
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It’s really interesting to read these articles where preconceived reality is “explained” anew and authors unable to realize it was their preconceptions that were completely off target. “static wwi” they say well if your reality is Russia invaded and moved to attack Ukraine then perhaps yes “we stopped them in the trenches” and we have “wwi” but if reality being Russia preemptively attacked Ukrops before they were able to attack Donbass and then backed off to a defensive posture and Ukrops threw all their meat at firewall it sure is not WWI but a strategic new age modern battlefield butchery with “let the west blow its wad” why waste people when there are more than enough willing to die on our defensive line. Long time west played “let the Russians waste resources on Ukropland” but i gues at some point ineptitude in strategic planning caused a switch to a more active role and well its west that is wasting resources and bar losing face and admitting a major defeat will continue to do so in a foreseeable future.
 
It’s really interesting to read these articles where preconceived reality is “explained” anew and authors unable to realize it was their preconceptions that were completely off target. “static wwi” they say well if your reality is Russia invaded and moved to attack Ukraine then perhaps yes “we stopped them in the trenches” and we have “wwi” but if reality being Russia preemptively attacked Ukrops before they were able to attack Donbass and then backed off to a defensive posture and Ukrops threw all their meat at firewall it sure is not WWI but a strategic new age modern battlefield butchery with “let the west blow its wad” why waste people when there are more than enough willing to die on our defensive line. Long time west played “let the Russians waste resources on Ukropland” but i gues at some point ineptitude in strategic planning caused a switch to a more active role and well its west that is wasting resources and bar losing face and admitting a major defeat will continue to do so in a foreseeable future.
You aren’t wrong. Like advancing in a rearward direction. Sounds good, is not.
 
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It certainly seems, that with the advancements in drone technology, that tanks, rocket launchers, and anything mechanized is just expensive fodder for target practice. Am I wrong?
Flavor of the month on the battlefield it will be countered , the last gallon of diesel oil on earth will be burned by an armored fighting vehicle . Canister munitions [read big-ass shotgun] and jammers with lessen their use then the drones will upgrade and it starts all over again
 
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Drone war in the air evolving at rapid pace

About a month ago FPV started to be used in air to air role to take out more expensive Recce drones , now recce drones had rearview camera added and automaticaly start evasive maneuvers when chasing drones apear ,recce drones operate at low speeds mostly under 60mph so have hard time runing away, , ultimately FPV likely scored a kill by flying under the recce drone and remotely detonating its load so out of rear view camera angle , but it seems its quite a feasible system
 

The history of counter measures against weapons is filled with crazy things ....some worked some didnt .....like putting rockets on a tank to leap over mine fields [ didnt work out] or driving a tank into a anti tank ditch then another on top of the first one to make a bridge [did work] . Improved hillbilly top armor , jammers ,canister rounds etc will help deter loitering drones . Gadda love the WOT generals here who laughed at the shed armor on T72's then crickets when it appeared on an abrams in theater.
 
Fake Ukranian military units keep scamming Ukraine supporters.

They have fake insignia, designations, and social media pages that post pictures of men and equipment, but there's no public record of their existence and the Ukrainian government says they aren't real. 💪


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The Times piece strongly suggests the whole thing is a political charade to begin with, and that Zelensky set up the 'victory plan' for failure in order to lay ultimate blame on the West for 'lack of support' when it inevitably rejects it:

But the real audience for the plan might be at home, some military analysts and diplomats say. Mr. Zelensky can use his hard sell — including a recent address to Parliament — to show Ukrainians that he has done all he can, prepare them for the possibility that Ukraine might have to make a deal and give Ukrainians a convenient scapegoat: the West.
 
Looks like i need to make me some of them drone pistol holsters
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This is moronically stupid. Place a working sidearm on a drone and have it get downed. Then the opponent has a working sidearm and then you have one less.

And the recoil from firing it is problematic in that design for a number of reasons, which greatly limits its usefulness in any real mission. The "trigger" actuator is actually only a release mechanism with plastic components inside. There are much better versions of this idea already out there. And it looks like the controller is a Futaba or similar, which is also dumb.

But lets go down the path of thought: dudes get issued this kit without a sidearm attached, so they need to use thiers. Thye get into a fight and USE THEIR SIDEARM on the drone to locate and neutralize the enemy. What if the sidearm is needed and cant be retrieved? Surely nobody is this stupid. This is in addition to carrying a drone, controller, FPV goggles and batteries that make up this kit. Yes, let's have the soldiers carry more useless shit that has a 1% chance of being used or effective.

Was this some sort of Chinese science fair project? Any real T&E would throw that thing out in 15 minutes or less.
 
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This is moronically stupid. Place a working sidearm on a drone and have it get downed. Then the opponent has a working sidearm and then you have one less.

And the recoil from firing it is problematic in that design for a number of reasons, which greatly limits its usefulness in any real mission. The "trigger" actuator is actually only a release mechanism with plastic components inside. There are much better versions of this idea already out there. And it looks like the controller is a Futaba or similar, which is also dumb.

Was this some sort of Chinese science fair project? Any real T&E would throw that thing out in 15 minutes or less.
Trial and error Wiley Coyote style and Acme supply is the name of the game in Drone warfare

Yes it looks like chinese science fair project.

Dude is canibalising a Javelin for a explosive warhead

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Trial and error crosed Wiley Coyote and Acme supply is the name of the game in Drone warfare

Dude is literaly canibalising a working Javelin for a explosive warhead


Apples to oranges, the pistol drone is a poorly thought out Frankenstein from someone drunk.

Using explosive warheads on drones is pretty standard fare. RPG, mortar rounds and other explosives are common. Throwing your pistol away is not, for good reason.
 
Sig sauer trying to sell one at AUSA2023

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And some other AUSA hopefull
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And Sig is stupid too. The camera is tilted upward, which means it is meant for fast forward flight. Even with a 120 degree FOV on the camera the aiming of it will be tenuous at best unless there is a secondary camera, both of which means you have to stop, hover (or at least slow down) and then aim, all while the noise signature gives everyone actionable info, all while having the same issues as the first one. Unless you are into strafing - with a limited number of rounds. And the Xing motors Sig is using are made in China; unless they get a waiver that's a problem.

If you know what you are looking at you will see the difference in the bottom photo and why it doesn't have some of the aforementioned problems, namely the recoil system, brass ejection and location of the unit. But the XT90 connector on it says it's a no-go on a long hump unless the drone, batteries, ammo and field sustainment kit are spread across a team or is used by stationary or mechanized groups. Storing that in a pack along with everything else is going to be a shit show, especially if it is to be used expediently.
 
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