Rifle Scopes Tract Toric ELR vs Burris XTR IIIi NOW With some Burris Pro and now some Zeiss LRP S3 also!

[weasle]

Yeah the LRP S3 4-25 would be a great choice for your use. Plenty of magnification and elevation. That said if you wanted the extra magnification and dropped it on a 40 moa base you can dial to 400 and then some with the 6-36. Both have parallax down to plenty low enough at 15 for 4-25 and 10 for the 6-36. Really no wrong answer but comes down to your wants and needs. Either would do the job very well.

Yeah the LRP S3 4-25 would be a great choice for your use. Plenty of magnification and elevation. That said if you wanted the extra magnification and dropped it on a 40 moa base you can dial to 400 and then some with the 6-36. Both have parallax down to plenty low enough at 15 for 4-25 and 10 for the 6-36. Really no wrong answer but comes down to your wants and needs. Either would do the job very well.

Hey Rob,

Thanks for all the great information.
I think your setup mirrors closely to my intended use case and setup.
Would you mind sharing your dope for your vudo from 50yrd - > 4/500??
I'm trying to figure out if I want any MOA on my rings, and if I the 4-25 will have enough dial up to 400/500.

Vudoo base will be 30 MOA.
Thinking the rings will be 0 as I really am hoping to stretch the s3 from 50 Feet (indoor) -> 400/500 yards.

Pretty certain it will be the 4-25 but the thought has crossed my mind for the 6-36.
Just worried I wont have enough dial up w/ONLY 30 MOA base.

Thanks,
Chris

 

[Rob01]

Hey Rob,

Thanks for all the great information.
I think your setup mirrors closely to my intended use case and setup.
Would you mind sharing your dope for your vudo from 50yrd - > 4/500??
I'm trying to figure out if I want any MOA on my rings, and if I the 4-25 will have enough dial up to 400/500.

Vudoo base will be 30 MOA.
Thinking the rings will be 0 as I really am hoping to stretch the s3 from 50 Feet (indoor) -> 400/500 yards.

Pretty certain it will be the 4-25 but the thought has crossed my mind for the 6-36.
Just worried I wont have enough dial up w/ONLY 30 MOA base.

Thanks,
Chris

Glad I could help some Chris. 400 is about 19.5 mils and 500 is about 26.9 mils with my current SK Long Range ammo. My 6-36 on a 40 moa base has about 26.5 mils. The scope has 32 mils total so going 60 moa would be a little close for me but 50 moa should work.

The 4-25 will give you more obviously. If you put it on the 30 moa base you can put more in the mount if you wanted. It will do 60 moa easy. Will be up to you what you want in the end but either should work.

 

[DLS]

Not a Vudoo but I do have the S3 4-25 on a B14 with a 30 MOA base and if memory serves I ended up with 31 mils of elevation. That gets me to 500 with a little to spare.

 

[weasle]

Thanks Gents! 4-25 here I come!

 

[RFutch]

Rob how does the Zeiss 4-25 FOV compare to the Burris Pro at the same magnification?

 

[Rob01]

Rob how does the Zeiss 4-25 FOV compare to the Burris Pro at the same magnification?

Just went and looked through both on 25x and the Pro gives you 8 mils visible and the Zeiss is 7.5 mils. So basically a push.

 

[RFutch]

Just went and looked through both on 25x and the Pro gives you 8 mils visible and the Zeiss is 7.5 mils. So basically a push.

Thanks man!

 

[Rob01]

Bringing this post back from the great beyond of 7 months ago. Just ordered a Tract Toric ELR 4-25x50 to add to the mix and see how it works out in comparison to the others mentioned. Will post again when it arrives.

 

[Whistlermd]

Impeccable timing. In the market for a new scope for a Rim-x build and this has been very helpful.

 

[DownhillFromHere]

Impeccable timing. In the market for a new scope for a Rim-x build and this has been very helpful.

I responded to your post in the RimX thread concerning a scope for your new build. In my response, I noted that Rob recommends a Zeiss S3 in a different thread... wrt scopes, Rob is like a fly at a picnic... lots of tasty dishes to try... Once in awhile I'm along for the new-cuisine experience. Pay attention to ROb's reviews and have fun.

 

[madman23]

Robo has more scopes than he has pussy cats. Looks like he singed some hair while fire fighting in Connecticut.

 

[Rob01]

Robo has more scopes than he has pussy cats. Looks like he singed some hair while fire fighting in Connecticut.

Now that is probably true that I am down to only 6 cats! LOL

 

[madman23]

I think you had 9 when we met in New York for the class.

 

[Rob01]

I think you had 9 when we met in New York for the class.

Yup. Good memory!

 

[giumau1]

Hey @Rob01 , great reviews. Planning on a S3 425 for PRS centerfire. How is the Eyebox and Fov on the Zeiss?
Thank you

 

[Rob01]

Hey @Rob01 , great reviews. Planning on a S3 425 for PRS centerfire. How is the Eyebox and Fov on the Zeiss?
Thank you

Thanks. Eye box and FOV are both good in the Zeiss S3s. No issues getting behind it in matches with either the 4-25 or 6-36. Both have good FOV also. Not sure if it was in this post or another where someone asked but the FOV was only about .5 mils difference between it and the Burris Pro which is always touted as one of the best FOV.

 

[Rob01]

Well made it out to the range finally! I had zeroed the Tract the other day at home on my 30 yard range and no surprises. went out today and Gary @DownhillFromHere was out there with his ZCO so we compared the 5-27 ZCO to the 4-25 S3 and 4-25 Tract. I know not a really fair comparison but not a bad one.

Some comments on the Tract first though as it's new. The glass is very good for a $1500 scope. Clear and bright and the reticle is great like the 4.5-30 reticle I had was. Illumination is daylight bright also so can be used in bright sunshine at matches if needed. Knobs are audible and tactile. After zeroing on the 20 MOA base I had 27.1 mils of elevation so with 47 mils total you can see I still had plenty of ability to add cant to the rifle and get more. The eye box seems easier to get behind than the 4.5-30 was and there is less of the "tunneling" feel, which is actually the outer body of the scope, and not a real tunneling like the S&Bs. All in all this is an excellent scope in it's price range and I am glad I got it.

Now to a little comparison with all on 25x. Glass. Well as you guessed the ZCO had the best glass. It was just a little brighter but clarity was just a little better than the S3 which was just a little better than the Tract. We were looking at 400 yard steel and a small ribbon that was tied to a bar out there and they all could give good definition of the steel hits and bolts and the ribbon.

FOV was all really close. The ZCO was at about 8.4 mils, the Tract at 8 mils and the S3 at about 7.8. So basically a push as all have a good FOV at max power. When you dial down to around 15x they also all have goo FOVs for taking shots at multiple targets on a stage. The reticle is still usable on all of them for holds also.

One thing Gary noticed was that he felt he had to get a little closer to the scope than with the other two and I used my pen(all I had on hand) to measure from the side the distance from his pupil to the back of the scope. With the Tract he was about 1/4" closer than the S3 and about 1/2" close than the ZCO. There was a good distance with all so you weren't right up on the scope so recoil would hit your eye but just a hair closer. I just threw the rifle on a prop to get a feel of it in the pic below so you can see that I didn't need to be right up on the scope and plenty of room between you and the scope.

Here's a few pics of the Tract on my rifle and some shots of it next to the Zeiss S3. I am sure I missed something so ask away if there is a question.