Your opinion of the Ukrainian government and the content of the article is irrelevant. It "supports" the DEFINITION of "sovereign country". I am not going to explain this to you any further, it is quite tedious,
Ukraine war Bullshit.
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I will answer- No... and WWII was not "Germany in their war with the USSR."
Did you know that Germany and the Soviet Union signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact on August 23, 1939?
Do you even know how WWII started?
Do you know how Germany ended up fighting the USSR? (Hint: WWII was not "Germany in their war with the USSR.")
So sidding with the lesser of two evils is OK. That is what is going on now.
And yes I do know. WWII was started by the Englich and French.
WWII was started by weak leaders who chose the path of appeasement rather than confronting Evil head-on.
That is what is going on now.
No, it was started by greed. And the countries that wanted to profit from another country.
That IS what is going on now. You need to do a little more research and look farther back on things in order to see the big picture and the second and third order effects of actions.
ukraine cannot survive without handouts from the west, hence they have to do what the west tells them to do.
zelensky was willing to have peace talks early on, but boris johnson told him he could not.
this is not a sovereign country, it is a puppet state.
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^^^^^^PROOF^^^^^^ that propaganda works
Oh, no! That's one of the Seven Deadly Sins!
Your attempt at obfuscation is not an effective argument in support of weak leadership or appeasement.
If they say it loud enough, often enough and long enough it becomes fact. At least in their reality
"If you want the billion dollars you will fire him. Wadda ya know? Son of a bitch! 24 hours later they fired him".
Sounds pretty sovereign to me. <----- sarcasm, just in case there's a misunderstanding
In your own words... You made a statement, back it up. I am not clicking on your links.OMG. As per usual, you make a moronic claim and decline to support it. It is SOP here, apparently. It really would be much easier to simply not post. Oh well.
Expert Comment: Three decades on, Ukraine, a sovereign country, is fighting a war for independence | University of Oxford
Some of the most common questions about the war in Ukraine, inspiring column inches and much conversation, are: why did Russia do it and who knew Ukrainians would be so resolute?By Dr Marnie Howlett, departmental lecturer in Russian and East European Politics in the Department of Politics and IR...www.ox.ac.uk
You claimed Ukraine is a Sovereign country, prove it, again in your own words.
His statement went in the trash after Joe potato blackmailed them into firing a government official for money.
Before that... maybe when they Coup'd the elected President.
Yanukovych easily won the election by a fair margin. Most Ukrainians supported him. It was the west and foreign( notice how close that is to sovregin) influence that wanted him gone.
What a massive display of support for Ukraine today. It's almost like they are getting completely crushed and this is a last ditch effort to affect the negotiations of their surrender.
ha
how do you expect them to feel if we prevented a deal that could have been made and saved all those lives...
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really you guys should quite arguing with these trolls. ie if they are not in fact the same dork. they are just here to clog the drain. if you quite trying to respond to them with facts,maybe they will go away. maybe Nuland will take them off the payroll?
Already did.
I used a phrase, YOU claimed I used the phrase incorrectly. Prove it. You won't, as you can't
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Yes, they do, and they have. Who would have thought that the consensus view in Europe is that human beings have no rights but those granted by government, which is basically what happens when you eliminate religion and replace it with a nanny state. Europe is becoming the USSR, and it did not take very long...... if that were true you would be way too old to know what a computer is.....
I too am a cold way Vet. I get it. The plastic pop up targets that the Army uses we the old Soviet outlines well into the 2000s.
Things change.
He wasn't just killed, he was tortured. Although, we did the exact same thing to J6'ers, so hard to claim the higher ground on this one.
what he means it that he could have completed the genocide of white christian ukrainian men if he was given more time and money.
So it's a sovereign state but with the EU and USA's hands up their ass using them as a sock puppet. I see how that could make sense. In a retarded person's mind
Wait... we tortured the insurrectionists??
Why was I not invited?
In reality, Gonzo Lira was faking it for those dirty, dirty rubles.... saying that the Bucha massacre didn't happen, Zelensky was a Jewish Nazi Storm Trooper, Russia was not attacking healthcare workers and infrastructure, etc...
Americans actually wish he got paid up in full, and made himself square... but he actually died from pneumonia in prison for being a shit bird.
we?Wait... we tortured the insurrectionists??
Why was I not invited?
In reality, Gonzo Lira was faking it for those dirty, dirty rubles.... saying that the Bucha massacre didn't happen, Zelensky was a Jewish Nazi Storm Trooper, Russia was not attacking healthcare workers and infrastructure, etc...
Americans actually wish he got paid up in full, and made himself square... but he actually died from pneumonia in prison for being a shit bird.
i used to have a lot of sympathy for ukrainians, believing they were the victims of this proxy war.
not anymore. fuck ukraine.
I’m hearing that there is potential that Putin might not negotiate and might push all the way to the Dnieper river. Not sure how legit or illegitimate that is.
WE did not do that.... both were done by factions of the crourpt Biden Regime.
They've had like 3yrs of this shit if he was gonna push it would've happened by now
do you know that western powers bankrolled the nazis because they were afraid the bolsheviks and communism would spread and the wealth they had spent generations to obtain was at risk? a strong germany was thought to have been a bulwark against the spread of communism.
the germany vs ussr question is sort of moot because as we know, the soviet union collapsed (as happens to every communist state, so far).
the problem is that the bolsheviks didn't cease to exist, they simply spread out and infiltrated europe and the united states.
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You really think Ukraine... EVER.... had full political Independence?
Which is why I meme...
So Mr. Smarty pants, explain to me how Ukraine ever had full political independence? IE, been a Sovereign nation.
Edit- Side not, Notice, the US is the one reaching out to negotiate a settlement... and if it pulls funding and support. Ukraine will get pushed back to the Dniper. Remember US Himars, are the reason Russia was pushed back across the Dniper. With out them, they would have taken Odessa by now.
Just a suggestion - totally ignore anyone who speaks for "ukraina". It's a waste of time and a potential to have this thread ruined and banned. Just ignore them. All of them "ukes" supported posts are POS filthy anyway.
Sovereign country (state) has a specific definition, it is not a matter of opinion. US, UK, Ukraine, etc are sovereign countries. Puerto Rico, Greenland, Morocco, Cyprus, etc., are not. Your opinion is irrelevant.
Read the definition in post 502 above. You are wrong.
Sovereign country (state) has a specific definition, it is not a matter of opinion. US, UK, Ukraine, etc are sovereign countries. Puerto Rico, Greenland, Morocco, Cyprus, etc., are not. Your opinion is irrelevant.
Maybe
One of the outputs of the MDMP process is a commander & staff shared understanding of their capabilities, the enemy, and the terrain. I suspect that in Russia’s initial planning they probably understood that they could not seize that much terrain in the initial phase of the operation WITH THE CAPABILITY THEY HAD AT THE TIME. So they opted to fix the Ukrainian military at multiple points to enable success in the South, which I think was the initial objective.
Now conditions have changed in Russia from three years ago. Their defense manufacturing base has ramped up, they have initiated several mobilizations (more likely on the way), and most importantly they have adapted to Western capabilities & doctrine. Combine that with the non sustainable attrition rates that Ukraine has had and it might be kind of tempting to make that push to the Dnieper river. Or maybe not, we shall see.
Either way both sides need to up their Air game.
Kinda seems like a country or state can claim sovereignty, but only if they can keep it.
Sovereign country (state) has a specific definition, it is not a matter of opinion. US, UK, Ukraine, etc are sovereign countries. Puerto Rico, Greenland, Morocco, Cyprus, etc., are not. Your opinion is irrelevant.
If they get run over by another, then they ain't so sovereign, are they?
One of two things would happen. The end of chiggers as we know it. OR giant swarms of chiggers overtake the western United States!
"Collapsed," and exists today in the same sad state, with very little changed at all.
...and you seem to have all found a home in The Bear Pit on The Sniper's Hide.
So, you don't know a lot about history. Cool!
Plenty of wisdom in that.
Many capable planing cells shared that opinion years ago and likely today.
How do you manage to breathe having your head that far up your ass?
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