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Knock yourself out. Next time you get involved in a thread try to post something on topic. Have a nice evening.14
you got me, im skeered. im going to go play video games....later, mom just brought some cheetos
Does Vortex make a FFP Mil/Mil? Sounds like they have great CS.
After reading all the intelligent and meaningful posts only interrupted briefly by some small children ranting and raving over nothing, I have a thought!! I't seems that either Vortex is trying to knock out the competition with some super duper CS or it is so cheap to manufacture these scopes in Indonesia that they can afford to offer this you brake them you can destroy them and their unconditional no questions asked guaranty replaces them. "Wow" is all I can say, VIVA Vortex!!!!
A simple Google search would tell you that Vortex scopes are made in Japan, and the Philippines.
But then you couldn't spout off ignorant, racist, BS could you?
...Oh an the chick at Vortex that answers the phone sounds hot and is friendly ..
Vortex offers a feature filled optic at a price point that allows more people to enjoy our sport. Furthermore, they back their product fully. Sacrifices had to be made in order to bring this product to market at a price point which made it competitive. All of this is good in my opinion. If it breaks(or I break it) they fix it. I fail to see a downside unless your life depends on it. In that case, buy better quality. Mine work fine for my intended use.
Not able to look through every post in this thread, I will say this..
I've been selling Vortex from the beginning (their beginning anyway)....since then, never a return on a Diamondback scope, one return on a Viper, a couple of returns on the Viper PST and Razor HD, a few on their Crossfire line (expected as it relates to pricepoint) never a return on spotters or binos...
Vortex is the gold standard for customer service for the enduser and I wish all scope companies handled their business like they do...
Their products do NOT cause a lot of headaches but when any issue crops up they cover it like a wet blanket...
Limited personal experience but I have two shooting buddies/ co workers that have PST's (4-16& 2.5-10) and both have issues... The 4-16 is murky/hazy and The 2.5-10 won't track true and jumps when dialing elevation. I wanted a PST more than anything a while back but I had a weaver FFP budget. I will say I'm happy with my budget scope purchase. Kind of embarrassing since I talked/advised the both of the to buy vortex, my main selling point was the VIP warranty and now they are both using it. I will say the clarity and tracking of the weaver ffp blows the vortex out of the water (buddies words not mine but I happen to agree) , not sure about the warranty though as I have not needed it yet but Im guessing the vortex would be easier to fix/service judging by Internet hype.
Hard core shooters love them.
The internet's universe of virtual shooters have many concerns about them.
This is the problem. Again someone who self admittedly says they have limited experience and yet their buddies blah blah blah. And on top of it he "talked/advised the both of the to buy vortex" based upon his limited experience? Murky/hazy compared to exactly what? I own both the 4-16 and the 2.5-10 which I've compared side by side with Leupold, Bushnell, his Weaver and various others and not had any of the aforementioned problems his "buddies" had. The real issue is bandwagoner's doing a lot of internet reading and then the next thing you know it's somehow firsthand experience.
I would have to say Vortex has excellent customer service. Even though I will never purchase another product by them again.
I am a hunter. I have been using Leupold VXII's for years. I had a bad experience at long distance (425 yards) shooting and killing an elk in a previous hunting season. This year I decided to up my game. I took a long range shooting class that taught the basics on how to shoot out to 1000 yards. For the class I borrowed a Vortex Viper PST 6.5-24X50, FFP, mil/mil scope. I enjoyed the features and grew accustomed to them very quickly. A month after the class I scraped up enough money to purchase my own Viper PST. I spent as much time as I could at the range shooting and developed a load that would efficiently kill an elk out as far as 700 yards.
One of the selling points was the warranty, by those in my local shooting community. My counter argument, prior to my purchase was the fact that a warranty as good as Vortex's, is, that it doesn't matter at all if it fails during an elk hunt.
I only managed to shoot 168 rounds out of my 300 WM prior to hunting season to develop "dope" for the upcoming elk hunt. But I felt confident in what I had accomplished.
On the first day of my elk hunt, halfway through the day, I discovered that my elevation turret was positioned 1/2 way between zero and the first "click". I turned the knob to the up direction and had no clicks. I turned it to the down direction and had positive clicks. I did that twice before I decided not to turn the knob any more. I was worried I may be off by as much as 6 clicks (6/10 mil). I decided to hunt the remainder of the day and would have to rely on holdovers and no turning of the elevation turret. Long story short the entire elevation turret assembly was loose and backing out of the body of the scope every time I turned the turret to the up direction (lefty loosey, righty tighty).
At this point of the hunt I was deep down in a canyon. A 3 hour hike back out to the road where my four wheeler was parked and a thirty minute ride back to camp and my backup rifle/scope. Elk camp is 14 miles off pavement and 75 miles from home.
For the remainder of the week of elk hunting I relied on my backup rifle with my Leupold VXII. On the last day of the elk hunt I ended up taking a shot at a bull elk at 470 yards. I had a great rest on shooting sticks and was as ready for the shot as I could be. I knew I had about 22 inches of drop with my zero. I missed. Trying to do a "hold high" on fur with a duplex reticle is hard. Of which I am not very good at and should never have taken that kind of shot with the equipment I had to use in the first place. My experience with my Vortex at the range and the ballistics card I had developed would have given me a specific dial up and would have been an easier shot to make.
After the hunting trip I sent the scope into vortex with a heartfelt, professional 2 page letter, accompanied with a copy of my original sales receipt. In the letter I basically said that I was done with their brand. If they wanted to repair the scope and send it back that was fine, I would sell it at a loss. If not, they could honor their "unconditional warranty" and send me a check, their choice. Two days after they received the scope at their warranty facility in WI, I received a check in the mail for the full amount, including sales tax. I will never use their brand again. But I was impressed with their customer service.
In order to find another brand of scope with the features of the viper PST I will have to spend a lot more money. No guarantee that I would not have problems with another brand to be sure. But I will do that regardless. My elk hunting equipment comes in two categories; Life and Death. The first is my life, either to sustain or save it. The second; the death of my choice of hunted big game animal. If the equipment fails to measure up in either category it is useless regardless of warranty.
My experience may not be that common. But it is mine. I will not use their products again, nor will I recommend them. But I cannot begrudge them for their customer service, it was outstanding.
Brett in Boise
Anything mechanical WILL break! Havinh owned A Leupold M3 for trn years, it broke at yhe same time I picked a 6-24 PST. The PST had black specks of grease or some thing inside the lense after zeroing it. I cslled Vortex and they emailed me a shipping label, Leupold made me ship on my dime. I told both companies bothe scopes wete on duty rifles a d I needed them back ASAP.Votex took exactly one day and the Leupold took five weeks. I ve sold the Leupold and I have PSTs on my rifles. They get cranked on because I shoot out to 700 quite a bit. The scopes get banged on and they wirk perfectly. I like how Vortex stands behind their products..
So you will never use or recommend a vortex scope again, because you had one With a malfunction? I had a leupold mess up on me, sent it back they sent me a new one. But since that one had a malfunction I better take all my leupolds off my guns and throw them in the trash just because one messed up.
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So you will never use or recommend a vortex scope again, because you had one With a malfunction? I had a leupold mess up on me, sent it back they sent me a new one. But since that one had a malfunction I better take all my leupolds off my guns and throw them in the trash just because one messed up.
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I believe it is unfair to rate Vortex scopes as a whole. They have a wide range of quality, and you pretty much get more than you pay for in comparison to other brands. Vortex scopes are spec'ed not built by Vortex, and I believe they are priced well below what a lot of other companies would charge for the same product.
If you want a chinese scope, get a crossfire. The diamondback comes from the Philippines. I believe the Viper and up, including the Razor are manufactured at Light Optical Works in Japan. LOW produces as good a scope as you are willing to spec, as they also make several of the Nightforce models in the same building.
So to say "Vortex" scopes are xxxxxx is an unqualified statement. Looks to me like they are doing a fantastic job, shooters need to match the level of quality to the type of use they intend for the optic. A 300WM would put me looking at a Razor. 22 truck gun is gonna wear a Crossfire. But ultimately anything I own can break![]()
On the first day of my elk hunt, halfway through the day, I discovered that my elevation turret was positioned 1/2 way between zero and the first "click". I turned the knob to the up direction and had no clicks. I turned it to the down direction and had positive clicks. I did that twice before I decided not to turn the knob any more. I was worried I may be off by as much as 6 clicks (6/10 mil). I decided to hunt the remainder of the day and would have to rely on holdovers and no turning of the elevation turret. Long story short the entire elevation turret assembly was loose and backing out of the body of the scope every time I turned the turret to the up direction (lefty loosey, righty tighty).
Not long ago I bought a Vortex 6-24x50 Viper HS in MOA for my .308. Works good, nice resolution, holds a zero, and lets me put rounds where I want them to be. Little short on elevation adjustment but that was my fault for not paying more attention to the numbers in the advertisement. A new rail is easy and corrected the short fall. The glass seemed a little hazy so I sent an e-mail to Vortex to talk about it. The first things they said, same day at that, was to send it so they could repair or replace it. No questions, no accusations, no hard time. I told them I'll be sending it after the season closes, they said, no problem we'll handle it when you're ready. Say the word and we'll handle the shipping.
I replaced that 3-9x scope with a 6-24x Vortex Viper PST FFP. (using it for LR hunting, Gongs & F Class)
Did it make me shoot any better............No, if anything my F Class scores have dropped.
On 24x the image often becomes quite haisy . . . & no amount of fidling with the paralax adjustment can sharpen up the image but the real pain is that the eye relief is really touchy at that mag.
Wind it back to about 20x & it is OK.
I have spoken to the importer about it & despite the Vortex Warranty being one of the best going, the jist of his message was to "wind the mag down a bit"
Pretty piss poor for a scope that cost me all but a grand.
Here's a snippet from another forum. Goes completely against your experience.
VIP or GAGF Warranty?