Vudoo Gun Works V-22 Rimfire Bolt Action

[Tree]

Is anyone familiar with the VGW All Composite stocks?

I tried doing some research on the interwebs and the only company coming up was AG Composites - which I'm not even seeing the model of the stock/price point that VGW builds offers on their site.

For reference I'm attaching a pic i found online from one of their older posts

Here is a link to the rifle. It’s called the Black Magic.

Vudoo Blackmagic .22lr Vudoo V22 18" Proof Research Barrel - Vudoo Gun Works

.22lr Vudoo V22 with 18" Proof Research Barrel in an All Composites stock MSRP: $4,405 - (Call to Purchase) *Bipod and scope are not included

vudoogunworks.com

 

[Badjujuu]

Yessir, in general, VGW was a catalyst of it's arrival to market. It's made by a long-time friend of mine, Ludwig Heimrath, that has a shop in Bellingham, WA; he's incredibly talented with composites. The technology to manufacture the stock was patented by Ken Frankel and the process is quite amazing.

The stock is based on a monocoque design, wherein the outer shell of the stock is the basis of total integrity, but the pinnacle of what makes it unique is a solid carbon fiber center block that serves as the bedding mount for the action. The block has a parabolic feature that conforms to the shape of the receiver as the action bolts are torqued. I developed the origins of the DBM, which had a few downstream revisions that were specific to its use in the stock. Other's, like Long Rifles, Inc., has also built a few rifles using this stock and there may be others.

Based on the incredible level of technology in the stock, which also pertains to the adjustable cheek piece, it's quite pricy do to a high manufacturing cost, but as part of a total package, rifles are always quite a different experience because of this stock.

Hope this helps,
MB

Wow - I had to read that twice, nevertheless...it was a pleasure to read!

My LH 22" MTU is still with you guys and I've added the LH non painted carbon fiber stock to my order when it was posted on social media as a available.

I cant judge if that'll be a good combination, as I've requested the 22" MTU before adding the stock (I gather that stock is seriously light).

I have my own TT Diamond trigger that I will install once it all arrives - Are the torque specs any different for this stock from what you normally recommend, and with my plans to run a arca rail, do you see any issues with the install of it due to the complexity of the stock manufacturing process?

Luke

 

[Tree]

Wow - I had to read that twice, nevertheless...it was a pleasure to read!

My LH 22" MTU is still with you guys and I've added the LH non painted carbon fiber stock to my order when it was posted on social media as a available.

I cant judge if that'll be a good combination, as I've requested the 22" MTU before adding the stock (I gather that stock is seriously light).

I have my own TT Diamond trigger that I will install once it all arrives - Are the torque specs any different for this stock from what you normally recommend, and with my plans to run a arca rail, do you see any issues with the install of it due to the complexity of the stock manufacturing process?

Luke

With a 22” MTU it will be front heavy. The stock with adjustable cheek riser weighs 1.5 lbs. with bottom metal it’s 2.5 lbs.

Regarding the arca @RAVAGE88 will have to answer that. I left mine with the picatinny front rail didn’t want to mess with it after I received.

 

[RAVAGE88]

Wow - I had to read that twice, nevertheless...it was a pleasure to read!

My LH 22" MTU is still with you guys and I've added the LH non painted carbon fiber stock to my order when it was posted on social media as a available.

I cant judge if that'll be a good combination, as I've requested the 22" MTU before adding the stock (I gather that stock is seriously light).

I have my own TT Diamond trigger that I will install once it all arrives - Are the torque specs any different for this stock from what you normally recommend, and with my plans to run a arca rail, do you see any issues with the install of it due to the complexity of the stock manufacturing process?

Luke

Glad you were able to glean something from the info.

Regarding the MTU profile barrel with this stock, I'd recommend going with a lighter contour, such as the KUKRI, or depending on what you're planning for this rifle, a CF barrel. Nothing special about the torque specs, but I've always torqued to 65 inch pounds and never think about it again.

The Arca can be accommodated, but close attention to detail will be required. Due to the monocoque design of the stock, the barrel channel is a "molded" part of what provides total integrity of the stock. There are inserts for an Atlas rail that can be used for the front part of the Arca and likely possible to incorporate fastening the rear of the Arca using the front action bolt. All-in-all, I don't believe it'll be difficult. In fact, maybe this has already been accomplished and I might not have the details....

MB

 

[Badjujuu]

With a 22” MTU it will be front heavy. The stock with adjustable cheek riser weighs 1.5 lbs. with bottom metal it’s 2.5 lbs.

Regarding the arca @RAVAGE88 will have to answer that. I left mine with the picatinny front rail didn’t want to mess with it after I received.

Being a chassis guy, I'm drawn towards the carbon fiber stock but are charting into unknown territory.

Being a lefty and looking forward to my left hand V22 that narrows down my choices even further, that's why I jumped on the LH All Composite stock VGW put out as available.

I'm not afraid of heavy. I actually prefer it over the light weight set ups, which sounds like it's going to be a frankenbuild because the stock was designed for light builds.

 

[Tree]

Being a chassis guy, I'm drawn towards the carbon fiber stock but are charting into unknown territory.

Being a lefty and looking forward to my left hand V22 that narrows down my choices even further, that's why I jumped on the LH All Composite stock VGW put out as available.

I'm not afraid of heavy. I actually prefer it over the light weight set ups, which sounds like it's going to be a frankenbuild because the stock was designed for light builds.

Won’t necessarily be “heavy”, just front heavy from a balance perspective. It is still an amazing stock. Mine is actually my wife’s and is a left handed build as well.

 

[RAVAGE88]

Won’t necessarily be “heavy”, just front heavy from a balance perspective. It is still an amazing stock. Mine is actually my wife’s and is a left handed build as well.

^^^^Absolutely correct. With the MTU it'll balance forward.

MB

 

[Tree]

Being a chassis guy, I'm drawn towards the carbon fiber stock but are charting into unknown territory.

Being a lefty and looking forward to my left hand V22 that narrows down my choices even further, that's why I jumped on the LH All Composite stock VGW put out as available.

I'm not afraid of heavy. I actually prefer it over the light weight set ups, which sounds like it's going to be a frankenbuild because the stock was designed for light builds.

In looking at mine again your best bet on an arca rail would be the Area 419 rail. The fore end is 13” long and with the Area 419 12” flat version the existing screw holes would work. Here is the link to the one I am going to get to see how it works.

ARCALOCK 12" Universal Dovetail Rail

**Rear Fixed Barricade stop not included, check it out HERE! MLOK Hardware not included. Area 419 is always looking for ways to improve existing products when we are not developing new technologies. With the rapid growth in popularity of ARCA rails in precision rifle, we saw a need to improve...

www.area419.com

Pictures of fore end for reference

 

[Defender32]

Wow - I had to read that twice, nevertheless...it was a pleasure to read!

My LH 22" MTU is still with you guys and I've added the LH non painted carbon fiber stock to my order when it was posted on social media as a available.

I cant judge if that'll be a good combination, as I've requested the 22" MTU before adding the stock (I gather that stock is seriously light).

I have my own TT Diamond trigger that I will install once it all arrives - Are the torque specs any different for this stock from what you normally recommend, and with my plans to run a arca rail, do you see any issues with the install of it due to the complexity of the stock manufacturing process?

Luke

Buy the Area 419 ARCA rail kit and send it to Vudoo for them to install and fit properly for you.

 

[AUMan]

I am spinning here, I thought the Carbon stock featured was made in Washington, YET
A G Composites is in North Alabama. A G Composites makes a carbon stock---PAINTED.
The one pictures is the OTHER and much more expensive. This is the one Mike is
speaking of. Hope this is clearing the issue.
A G Composited is not. Composites Specialties.

 

[Tree]

I am spinning here, I thought the Carbon stock featured was made in Washington, YET
A G Composites is in North Alabama. A G Composites makes a carbon stock---PAINTED.
The one pictures is the OTHER and much more expensive. This is the one Mike is
speaking of. Hope this is clearing the issue.
A G Composited is not. Composites Specialties.

This is All Composites stock. I do not believe they are the same as AG Composite Stocks. At least that’s what I recall when I purchased mine.

 

[Badjujuu]

This is All Composites stock. I do not believe they are the same as AG Composite Stocks. At least that’s what I recall when I purchased mine.

The confusion was from googling "all composite rifle stock" and search results showing AG Composite sites. That's all.

I really appreciate the pictures of the stock and recommendations on arca rail. I know what i have to do now to make it work. Looks like you absolutely can use the existing holes for the rail....

 

[99tharmory]

I finally get to pick mine up from the shop tomorrow!! Got my whole bag of parts, mags, ammo, scope all ready to hit the range!

 

[Travelor]

Great news

 

[sys700]

I need some advice. I ordered my custom V22 on December 11, 2020, and it was scheduled to ship on March 26, 2021. A paid in full in mid-February. At that time I was told that the ACE barrels were delayed and my order could be delayed, so I switched to a Bartlein barrel. I was told that everything else was in stock so it should not be an issue shipping to me on time. Around my due date they let me know there was another delay. They were waiting on a component to arrive. Didn't hear from them for several weeks so I called them on Friday and I was told my V22 was scheduled to be built this coming week, hopefully on Wednesday, and that they were short on rifle builders. Last week they announced the Three 60 upgrade. I didn't find out about it until 5 days after the announcement because I was on vacation. Since my order was technically not built yet, I decided to fill out the form to upgrade. Today they told me that my action was already built, so they could upgrade my build, but I would have to go to the very back of the queue, which could be up to 16 weeks wait, even though my rifle is fully paid for. Vudoo offered me three options: 1) refund me the full amount of my initial purchase, 2) I could get to the back of the line and wait 16 weeks for the upgrade, or 3) I could just go with my initial Gen. 2 build. Should I just stick with the Gen 2?

 

[J-Ham]

Why are you considering the 360? Because it's 'better', because it's the hot thing right now, or because that 60° bolt throw is really that important to you? It won't shoot any better...

Just trying to figure out what your motives are, not trying to be a dick.

The 360 isn't an upgrade, per se, it's just different... In a better way, haha!

 

[Badjujuu]

I need some advice. I ordered my custom V22 on December 11, 2020, and it was scheduled to ship on March 26, 2021. A paid in full in mid-February. At that time I was told that the ACE barrels were delayed and my order could be delayed, so I switched to a Bartlein barrel. I was told that everything else was in stock so it should not be an issue shipping to me on time. Around my due date they let me know there was another delay. They were waiting on a component to arrive. Didn't hear from them for several weeks so I called them on Friday and I was told my V22 was scheduled to be built this coming week, hopefully on Wednesday, and that they were short on rifle builders. Last week they announced the Three 60 upgrade. I didn't find out about it until 5 days after the announcement because I was on vacation. Since my order was technically not built yet, I decided to fill out the form to upgrade. Today they told me that my action was already built, so they could upgrade my build, but I would have to go to the very back of the queue, which could be up to 16 weeks wait, even though my rifle is fully paid for. Vudoo offered me three options: 1) refund me the full amount of my initial purchase, 2) I could get to the back of the line and wait 16 weeks for the upgrade, or 3) I could just go with my initial Gen. 2 build. Should I just stick with the Gen 2?

I'm in the same exact boat.
The 60° upgrade wasn't a deal breaker for me to justify getting back in line for another 14-16 weeks. I called and inquired but decided to keep my current order.

 

[sys700]

Why are you considering the 360? Because it's 'better', because it's the hot thing right now, or because that 60° bolt throw is really that important to you? It won't shoot any better...

Just trying to figure out what your motives are, not trying to be a dick.

Understood. My centerfire rifle is a 60 degree, so it's closest to what I'm used to. Also, the bolt appears to be easier to take apart to clean on the 360. I'm also running a very large Nightforce scope, and concerned the bolt with come close to the zoom lug.

 

[huntnh]

I would that’s what you ordered originally it will shoot great if you don’t like it sell it and get your money back

 

[CBeck]

Get the one you ordered in hand and order a second three 60 if you really want the 60 degree. Sell the first one once the second one comes in.

 

[Badjujuu]

I would that’s what you ordered originally it will shoot great if you don’t like it sell it and get your money back

Yup, if you put it up for sale, it won't be long before someone takes it.

I say keep your Gen2 - if you're worried about the scope/bolt - I have Razor gen2 on mine and never had issues with clearance when running the bolt.

 

[Rob01]

Understood. My centerfire rifle is a 60 degree, so it's closest to what I'm used to. Also, the bolt appears to be easier to take apart to clean on the 360. I'm also running a very large Nightforce scope, and concerned the bolt with come close to the zoom lug.

I highly doubt the scope will be an issue. I run Razors which have a very big power ring and never an issue hitting it with my 90 degree throw. If you want it to match your other rifle then order the 360 and wait. Only you can make that decision.

 

[Luke22:36]

Understood. My centerfire rifle is a 60 degree, so it's closest to what I'm used to. Also, the bolt appears to be easier to take apart to clean on the 360. I'm also running a very large Nightforce scope, and concerned the bolt with come close to the zoom lug.

The bolt comes apart exactly like the Gen 2, which IS tool-less. No difference between the Gen 2 and the Three 60 other than the number of lugs. Generations prior to the Gen 2 were a little more complicated to disassemble.

 

[sys700]

There is an article in rifleshootermagazine that discusses 2 vs 3-bolt design. This comment is made: "Although a two-lug bolt might seem a bit further to lift, there is less effort required to lift it, thus disturbing the gun to a lesser extent, which for target disciplines like benchrest can be fundamentally beneficial. Yet on a sporting rifle, I like the three-lug (or three pairs for 6) approach."

 

[J-Ham]

Understood. My centerfire rifle is a 60 degree, so it's closest to what I'm used to. Also, the bolt appears to be easier to take apart to clean on the 360. I'm also running a very large Nightforce scope, and concerned the bolt with come close to the zoom lug.

360 it is then, brother, sorry to be the bearer of bad news... Back of the bus for you, haha!

If it makes you feel any better, I can keep you posted on when you're 1 week out from having a rifle because that will put you a week behind me, haha!

 

[rd_kng]

I would say go with what you want. The extra weeks will go fast. I received a Gen 1.2 for my 1st Vudoo. Didn't get the opportunity to wait for the Gen 2. I just received my Gen 2. Again. Didn't get the opportunity to go to the Gen 3. No complaints. The Gen 1.2 shoots great and just waiting for my gunsmith to finish up with my barreled action. Good luck on whatever you choose. I'm sure it will be a shooter.

 

[StrayDog]

2 is 1 and 1 is available soon! Get the 90, shoot it, order the 360. Sell the 90 when you get the 360? Chances are, you'll keep both

 

[Ronin_64]

Ouch! Well, having ordered a V22 in February with an eta of late April, I saw the announcement about the 360 and jumped on it for no particular reason other than the 60 degree bolt throw. Last week, I watched a YouTube video by “x-ring” where he kind of talked down Timney triggers and that prompted me to email Vudoo. Ended up switching to a Trigger Tech Diamond. Would I have been happy with my original order of the V22...probably. Oh well, Jill at Vudoo was very understanding and I was “lucky” enough that they still hadn’t started my build. They haven’t mentioned anything about my Ace barrel as of yet. I think that means my build may be a ways out still.

 

[littlepod]

I've known about the 360 for quite some time but was not allowed to place the order until it was officially announced, so I'm at the back of the same queue as everyone else.

I run a Terminus Zeus (3-lug), and I just wanted it to be consistent with my rimfire. So I could get a 360, or I could sell my Zeus and 3 barrels, and pick up a Lone Peak and 3 more barrels. The 360 was cheaper

 

[J-Ham]

World class rationalizing right there... Honey, I couldn't afford to NOT order the Vudoo!

 

[Rob01]

I've known about the 360 for quite some time but was not allowed to place the order until it was officially announced, so I'm at the back of the same queue as everyone else.

Puts you in the know before the team shooters. They found out the day before it was announced.

 

[littlepod]

Puts you in the know before the team shooters. They found out the day before it was announced.

Ah, not sure if that was good or bad that I knew. Just made waiting so much harder. Happiest purchase though was to not wait for one. Been running the Vudoo for over a year and it's the best purchase I've made.

 

[Gunfighter716]

I've known about the 360 for quite some time but was not allowed to place the order until it was officially announced, so I'm at the back of the same queue as everyone else.

I run a Terminus Zeus (3-lug), and I just wanted it to be consistent with my rimfire. So I could get a 360, or I could sell my Zeus and 3 barrels, and pick up a Lone Peak and 3 more barrels. The 360 was cheaper

I had a feeling you knew something was being announced based on comments you have made several times about placing an order for a new Vudoo in the Spring which was probably 2-3 months out at the time.

Converted my order to the 360 when it was announced since the build hadn't started yet. Who knows where I'm at in the queue, but it's worth the wait.

 

[Defender32]

Had to do a zero adjustment today as I got a new set of ARC rings. I also wanted to test the grouping with a brake installed. Just the same brake I shoot for my CF Suppressor to mount to. Shots were at 50 Yards Prone. Shooting SK Rifle Match. Proof is in the pictures for me. No brake or suppressor will be used on the Vudoo for competitions. This rifle only has 163 rounds down the tube.

 

[sys700]

Well, I decided to keep my Gen. 2 build. Not worth waiting 16 weeks...some of the best weeks for shooting a 22 rifle in Michigan! They sent me a photo of it and I love how it turned out. Will post photos once it arrives.

 

[JBattles]

Finally got my V22 Gen 2 setup. It is everything I knew it would be - right on at 500 Yds, 30 Mils! Most of the vendors I heard about on here, so thanks guys! My wife was wondering about all of these little packages showing up constantly over the past few months. A&J Sporting, Altus Shooting, Area 419, B&T Industries, Cole-Tac, Grey Ops, Mile High, OTM, RRS, Short Action Precision, Wiebad, etc... all great vendor to work with if you haven't heard of them yet.

Now I can't wait for my V360 to get here.

* A couple notes after reading all of the threads here - so far, I have not had a single feeding issue loading into the mag across 4 different mags in my MPA BA Comp Chassis using Center-X, my setup balances fine on a bag with 4 external weights.

Build Specs: 16 lbs with Bipod
20" Kukri Barreled Action with 40 MOA Scope Base
Trigger Tech Diamond
MPA BA Comp Chassis with Grey Ops External Weights
Area 419 - Bolt Knob, Defiance
Wiebad Cheek Pad
Atlas Cal Gen 2 Bipod, RRS BTC-Pro Clamp
Trijicon Accupower FFP MIL 4.5-30 x 56
MPA BA Scope Mount, 0 MOA, 34MM 1.25" - able to dial 27 Mils with 40 MOA base
Vortex 34MM Bubble Level

This is a clone of my Centerfire MPA BA Curtis Custom Axiom with WTO Switch lug... pic is with the 24" MTU 223 Wylde barrel

 

[Jefe's Dope]

There's still some open spots from Altus for a Gen 3 60* preorder.

 

[DairyDictator]

Big thanks to whoever cancelled late in the process and went to a 360. Managed to snag a gen 2 in stock. Cobalt cerakote, straight flutes, 20" Bartlein MTU barrel. Waited a total of 24 hours for it to ship out.

 

[Badjujuu]

Big thanks to whoever cancelled late in the process and went to a 360. Managed to snag a gen 2 in stock. Cobalt cerakote, straight flutes, 20" Bartlein MTU barrel. Waited a total of 24 hours for it to ship out.

I think there will be more cases like that coming up

 

[Gjmen22]

Big thanks to whoever cancelled late in the process and went to a 360. Managed to snag a gen 2 in stock. Cobalt cerakote, straight flutes, 20" Bartlein MTU barrel. Waited a total of 24 hours for it to ship out.

That's awesome. I figured we would hear stories like this.

 

[Tomiboy]

I got my gen 2.0 just before the 360 came out. I had been waiting for the 60* bolt lift for awhile but thought they may never bring it out so I bought the gen 2. I have a T1X and liked that short 60* bolt lift and thought I needed that. Now that I have my gen 2 I'm happy. The bolt lift on my gen 2 might be a slightly longer lift but it is effortless and I feel I can work it as fast as my T1X . My Cronus is mounted almost as low as possible and I don't hit the scope when I run it. All good. I'd say if your centerfire is 90* get a gen 2 if it's a 60* get a 360.

 

[Sekaf]

Big thanks to whoever cancelled late in the process and went to a 360. Managed to snag a gen 2 in stock. Cobalt cerakote, straight flutes, 20" Bartlein MTU barrel. Waited a total of 24 hours for it to ship out.

That might of been me? Congrats

 

[bikeracer]

Waited 6 months -

 

[bikeracer]

First outing -

 

[bikeracer]

I started off with Lapua Midas +

 

[bikeracer]

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I started off with Lapua Midas +

 

[bikeracer]

 

[Redfisher60]

Trigger Mounting on the Vudoo- I've mounted Triggers before, but boy these pins fit tight.

 

[Tomiboy]

Agreed!

 

[littlepod]

Trigger Mounting on the Vudoo- I've mounted Triggers before, but boy these pins fit tight.

The first time I got mine I thought I was doing something wrong. I sent it back to have them install my trigger. Since then I just hit it harder