Rifle Scopes We no longer sell Premier Heritage riflescopes

#351
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I will start out by saying I have never personally dealt with Scott or LO. I have heard great things about him and if he is anything like the other 'Hide vendors I have dealt with then I truly feel bad for the what happened to him. From what I have seen from Premier before this and now this is why I am choosing not to buy a Premier. First they submitted their reticle with a S&B scope for the USMC contract then once they were up and running and building there own scopes they were able to switch their scope for the S&B and cut them out. Also they came out at one price point and when they got the contract their prices went up considerably. It appeared they raised prices solely due to them winning the contract. If this is the way they are going to treat one of their first dealers who stuck by them and helped get them into the market place in the first place and during their growing pains it makes me wonder down the road when it comes to warranty work or support on the back end of the product will they be willing to actually help out the customer. I know till this point from what I have heard they have been good with their warranty but will that last or was it a front to help get their market share in the first place.
 
#352
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I'm going to throw a conspiracy theory out here just for the hell of it, nothing better to do today. Another large Premier dealer is pissed because Libery is selling a large percentage off reputation, service and forum participation. Said dealer set's up Liberty for a fall. Large dealer may have pressured Premier to act.
 
#353
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Well, my ultra-long-term savings plan to eventually afford a Premier, Schmidt und Bender, or Hensoldt just officially changed to an ultra-long-term savings plan to eventually afford a Schmidt und Bender or a Hensoldt.
 
#354
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Just think of all the lost sales in this one thread alone. That's not to mention the ones who have read it and not commented. I think Premier has seriously screwed the pooch on this one. They would have a hard time generating enough good will to offset the negative publicity of this childish game they played.

I do not own a Premier and have never bought from L.O. but there is only one of those two companies worth of my hard earned dollar now.
 
#355
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bpnelson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, my ultra-long-term savings plan to eventually afford a Premier, Schmidt und Bender, or Hensoldt just officially changed to an ultra-long-term savings plan to eventually afford a Schmidt und Bender or a Hensoldt. </div></div>

+ infinity
 
#356
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mgd45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't understand why Dealers put up with this crap.. The Dealers hold the power in this type of market set up. How many Dealers are there out there who carry Premier scopes....really...?

I would love to see the Dealers get together & simply tell the Distributors.....

<span style="font-style: italic">"Sorry guys, we reserve the right to sell the product at whatever price we want, once we've purchased it from you......if you don't agree with this.....good luck selling it on your own"</span>

How many sales would Premier make if they had<span style="font-weight: bold"> NOT ONE SINGLE Dealer</span> willing to carry their product? My guess would be....not too many... </div></div>

how many sales would dealers make if they had no product to sell? </div></div>

While I realze scope dealers can't boycott all products.....we're only talking about one brand of scope here......it would definitely wake up the industry!
 
#357
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bowhuntr09</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just think of all the lost sales in this one thread alone. That's not to mention the ones who have read it and not commented. I think Premier has seriously screwed the pooch on this one. They would have a hard time generating enough good will to offset the negative publicity of this childish game they played. </div></div>

I'm one of those who lurk and don't post often. Scott has been great when I've ordered from him. I did make plans to pick up a Premier MOA/MOA 5-25x pretty soon, but since I can't order a Premier through Scott, I won't be purchasing a Premier.

Those who have replied in this thread represents a very small percentage of those who are lurking and also choosing not to buy Premier.
 
#358
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Well if 200 people dont buy Ph scopes because of this thread and rumor of this thread that cost PH about a half million dollars ($500,000). I call that the mother of all mistakes.

Ouch!
 
#359
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well if 200 people dont buy Ph scopes because of this thread and rumor of this thread that cost PH about a half million dollars ($500,000). I call that the mother of all mistakes.

Ouch! </div></div>
very quantitative if it happens. Hasn't PR rode this our once before. Nunya.
 
#360
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well if 200 people dont buy Ph scopes because of this thread and rumor of this thread that cost PH about a half million dollars ($500,000). I call that the mother of all mistakes.

Ouch! </div></div>

I think it would not take that much for 200 people to buy another brand as the word spreads. the question att he moment is if they realy care? if they have contracts to sell all of the scopes they can manufacture that will be it the time those contracts dry up and the Steiner will be looked at with all their contacts in the military and law enforcement saying ours is cheeper and matched perfectly to the bino we already supply you then if people stay away it might hurt them then.

I think the problem is Scott is to good of a guy he should have asked that assehole to message him from his hide account and find out how long the clown had been here and that would have given him a heads up that he was trolling.

if MAP is or isnot legal there in the us as it is totaly classed as price fixing over here and can not be inforced but the company does nothave to sell to people it does not want to supply.

The real issue here is the way things were done lying about being a member here to screw another dealer because you want to take the competition away and ATI and PR have not even defended themselves or said we have it being looked at and will comment when we have the legal issues worked out. If they had the balls to come here and tell us they are looking into things that would be different but there is a new member ATI that is here and would likley be monetering this thread but still no balls to come out and have their say on what happened.

Scott is a genuine guy and does not deserve to be treated this way it realy has nothing to do with what company it is or who does or does not own a premier like i do.

When you are not there in the US it can be hard to get quality optics and Scott has come through for a lot of Aussies with Premiers and other optics aswell i dont think after this there will be many PR scopes making it over here. Scott also look att he March tacticle scopes their new FFP scope is amasing a mate picked up one last week talk about inivative and lightweight with all the features you would ever want at a similar price to the other top scopes. No MAP here on them the distributor can sell them at a loss Deon optical dont care if they get payed as long as they sell every scope that is being made and have huge backorders with people willing to pay above MAP just to get them that is what premier shouldhave done.
 
#362
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well if 200 people dont buy Ph scopes because of this thread and rumor of this thread that cost PH about a half million dollars ($500,000). I call that the mother of all mistakes.

Ouch! </div></div>
I was just going to do the math myself, but you beat me to it. The way this thread is going, it's going to add up to quite a few more than 200. This problem needs to be addressed by PR and ATI pretty quickly because this thread is growing faster than I can keep up. The Premier scopes look pretty nice but I'll never know. I understand the MAP idea but I'm pretty sure nobody here is being blatant about undercutting it. This is going to hurt Premier both short term and long term. Bad idea...
 
#363
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It looks like at 15-20 people were "just about to purchase", that's 15-20 that will be purchasing other brands. I was wondering if anyone knows who PH makes parts for, if so, they need to be boycotted also, otherwise the boycotte won't be as effective! What is the general thought regarding those that still carry the PH line? Should they drop the line? Or, do you think the sales will be so poor, they'll drop them because nobody is buying the PH line anymore?
 
#364
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Some Business have no idea the power of a forum.

Sorry to hear about this .

Look at it like this one door shuts but another opens and some times for the better. Mark from downunder.
 
#365
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Scott,

Sorry to hear what happened. Best wishes. BTW, I have some more scopes I will be ordering from you in the near future.

Thanks for all of your help,

Jamie
Satisfied Customer
 
#366
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Those guys are the kings of dumb asses, there is none higher. They just lost way more money than they think they saved by getting rid of Scott.
 
#367
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: glock24</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Steiner?

Premier helped Steiner design their tactical line of scopes..... I'd stay away from them. I have had a couple Premier scopes, will probably sell them after hearing of this crap. Plus I cant believe some of the stories I have heard about their performances or lack of I should say. </div></div>

Negative.

Optronika , an independent opto-mechanical engineering firm (ex S&B employees) helped Steiner design their scope. Optronika also helped Premier design their scopes. That is the only connection.

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Ok, so they arent directly linked in designing the Steiner.... but Premier still played a role, no matter how big or small, they are STILL involved with the making of the new Steiner line. They even have obvious Premier features. When I handled one at SHOT Show that was the first thing that I thought of, it looks like a Premier scope.

I was just speculating on the scenario. I think its crap how they went about things with Scott, he is a good guy. I have purchased Premier scopes from him in the past.
 
#368
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NTRP-CKA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just read this entire thread and I still don't know who shot him.





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#369
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: alt6grunt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How many actual Premier owners exist in your county. Most shooters have never touched one, most hunters have never heard of one, most of the people on this web site never intended to buy one. <span style="color: #FF0000">The market is really pretty small.</span> </div></div>

Which makes screwing over one of the most well liked vendors on here even more stupid.

I am all for businesses being left alone, with as little outside influence as possible. But when a company or vendor, in their desire to maximize their own profit, artificially influences a competitor's willingness to make less per unit, that is just shady.

I hope everyone takes notice. The perp's should be apologizing to Scott, or sharing their side of it, at a minimum.

 
#370
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Premier is being very tight, but often what comes around, goes around. The new Nightforce is coming out, and that may put a big dent in Premier's sales.

Considering how Leupold treated Premier, I would have expected better from them. Premier, well probably something else next time for me.
 
#371
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I dont recall ever seeing a thread move this quickly here on the Hide.


I am kind of surprised, but it is a good thing. If companies/vendors/people dont possess the character to do the right thing on their own, then maybe the forum can help motivate them.

I hate to jump to conclusions, but a couple things lead me to think the general tone of this thread is correct.

A- I have had extensive dealings with Scott and I think he is a stand up guy.

B- You know that Premier and ATI are both very aware of this thread, and their absence is conspicuous.
 
#372
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Got my PH from Scott at LO early on.
Solid scope, standup guy and company obviously.

Truth is I'm not a brand and or dealer loyalist.
What have you got to show today and what can you do for me now.

That said, this crowd/breed that I include myself in is a bit of a different bunch and niche than your average consumer and I hope PH pays attention.
Hope you guys can get this worked out for everybody's sake.
 
#373
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hydro556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am all for businesses being left alone, with as little outside influence as possible. But when a company or vendor, in their desire to maximize their own profit, artificially influences a competitor's willingness to make less per unit, that is just shady.

I hope everyone takes notice. The perp's should be apologizing to Scott, or sharing their side of it, at a minimum.

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maybe you should buck up then and refuse to buy ANYTHING that has a manufacture map in place. let me know how that goes for you.

we still don't know if there was a manufacture/distributor and dealer contract stating what the minimum price each unit could be sold for. what if there is? then what? is everyone on here going to take back everything they have said? does breach of contract not mean anything? i've asked several times in this thread for this information before i make a judgement but the op has not come back to respond. why the hell should the "perp" come in here. you all have already made up your minds.

sheep.
 
#374
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If the Premier owner is looking on this thread, man up and say something. I'm not a business owner, but I wouldn't want my company losing business and taking such a big hit image wise. Folks will keep this thread going for a long time.....and every time someone says what scope should I consider buying, someone will be sure to chime "don't buy a Premier!"
 
#375
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I also do not think I have seen a thread here on the Hide move this fast. I wanted to watch and see what information came forth before I made any comments. The lack of appearance by PH says something to me.

A better method could have been used to handle this. Moreover I think this adds to some of the "iffiness" that seems to follow PH.

I am really only making this post in hopes that PH reads it and can add another buyer to their list that was seriously in the market for a high end optic that will be buying a S&B instead. I wanted to try to buy American which is why I was considering the PH, but I don't see the point with these un-American business actions.

I can't say I care for the idea of stabbing a man in the back that helped get your product off the ground.
 
#376
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I too bought a PH 3-15 from Scott early on and like almost all have said he's a great guy. I won't buy any other Premier product but I will be buying again from Scott.

Satisfied Customer.
 
#377
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Any company that has to enforce this kind of rule to artificially inflate what the marketplace pays is full of shit. An item is worth what someone will pay for it, nothing more or less. MAP is bullshit and always will be. It is a very non-free market ideology.

ATI sounds like a company that is in business to justify its own existence for being in business. They come across to me as a large HR department in most companies where everyone realizes you simply pay them to try and prove to you that you need to keep paying them to stay there and prove to you that they need to be paid.

Secondly, if I were a Premier dealer I would feel so fantastic about the fact that any call or inquiry could be a potential STING hatchet job. Yay.
 
#378
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I wish someone would put a list on here showing other companies that have these MAP agreements. I'm like most of you, I don't want to buy anything from anyone that is involved with a MAP agreement. I'm just afraid I've spent money over the years on products that were sold with a MAP agreement in place! I sure hope S and B doesn't have a MAP! I've been looking at one of their scopes, but if they have a MAP, you can count me out!
 
#380
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wish someone would put a list on here showing other companies that have these MAP agreements. I'm like most of you, I don't want to buy anything from anyone that is involved with a MAP agreement. I'm just afraid I've spent money over the years on products that were sold with a MAP agreement in place! I sure hope S and B doesn't have a MAP! I've been looking at one of their scopes, but if they have a MAP, you can count me out! </div></div>

you have really limited yourself out of products to buy. things you use every day too, not just scopes.
 
#381
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There's a difference between having MAP pricing and sending a third party out after your dealers to find out if they are selling for less than you want.

Alot of companies have MAP but as long as it's not advertised don't go after dealers for selling under.
 
#382
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There's a difference between having MAP pricing and sending a third party out after your dealers to find out if they are selling for less than you want.

Alot of companies have MAP but as long as it's not advertised don't go after dealers for selling under.
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provide they don't have a contract stating that the dealer will not sell for less than the map. i haven't seen the agreement between the parties involved. have you? has anyone else posting in this thread other than the op? do we know for a fact that this was just out of the blue that they checked him on the policy? what if there was a history of the op violating the dealer agreement that we don't know about?

can you agree that this information should be known BEFORE people make a company out to be the devil?
 
#383
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paw print</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wish someone would put a list on here showing other companies that have these MAP agreements. I'm like most of you, I don't want to buy anything from anyone that is involved with a MAP agreement. I'm just afraid I've spent money over the years on products that were sold with a MAP agreement in place! I sure hope S and B doesn't have a MAP! I've been looking at one of their scopes, but if they have a MAP, you can count me out! </div></div>

you have really limited yourself out of products to buy. things you use every day too, not just scopes. </div></div>

You know, there are quite a few companies out there with MAP. Most do not enforce them with their dealers as a defacto Minimum Selling Price policy. If I read Scott's account correctly, *THIS* is the issue with Premier.

MAP is not the problem. The leadership of certain companies and their thirst for MORE is the problem.

John
 
#384
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Best of luck to Liberty Optics. They'll definitely get my next scope purchase. That said... I'll never buy another Premier scope. Ever. Even if they correct this, they have shown their true nature. If it wasn't for great guys like Liberty Optics, I never would have known how PH stacked up against the likes of S&B or Nightforce. Thanks to Liberty Optics again, I know how PH stacks up against other top tier scopes... In an entirely different category.
 
#385
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There's a difference between having MAP pricing and sending a third party out after your dealers to find out if they are selling for less than you want.

Alot of companies have MAP but as long as it's not advertised don't go after dealers for selling under.
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provide they don't have a contract stating that the dealer will not sell for less than the map. i haven't seen the agreement between the parties involved. have you? has anyone else posting in this thread other than the op? do we know for a fact that this was just out of the blue that they checked him on the policy? what if there was a history of the op violating the dealer agreement that we don't know about?

can you agree that this information should be known BEFORE people make a company out to be the devil?</div></div>

I have spoken to Scott on this matter, who I have known for years and trust as a man of his word. I am not going to get into a big fight and didn't want to even post any in this thread but suffice it to say I know enough to make up my mind. You can make up your own.
 
#386
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You know, there are quite a few companies out there with MAP. Most do not enforce them with their dealers as a defacto Minimum Selling Price policy. If I read Scott's account correctly, *THIS* is the issue with Premier.

MAP is not the problem. The leadership of certain companies and their thirst for MORE is the problem.

John </div></div>

regardless of greed, one should not enter into an agreement that they are not willing to stick to. i am simply asking if this is what happened here or not BEFORE i make judgement.
 
#387
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
provide they don't have a contract stating that the dealer will not sell for less than the map. i haven't seen the agreement between the parties involved. have you? has anyone else posting in this thread other than the op? do we know for a fact that this was just out of the blue that they checked him on the policy? what if there was a history of the op violating the dealer agreement that we don't know about?

can you agree that this information should be known BEFORE people make a company out to be the devil?</div></div>

I have spoken to Scott on this matter, who I have known for years and trust as a man of his word. I am not going to get into a big fight and didn't want to even post any in this thread but suffice it to say I know enough to make up my mind. You can make up your own. </div></div>

ok. so you have the information you need. how many other people posting in this thread have that information? for the rest of us, there is a big part missing but few are willing to ask for it before they jump on the bandwagon.
 
#388
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MAP is what you get when you have hordes of idiots coming out of college with no clue about the real world and trying to make up some new BS to get everyone excited about so they can show why they should hire them.

A large part of the business world these days seems to be filled with greedy idiots either in the company or as consultants trying to make a name for themselves, who care very little about the actual long term effects for the company but rather how they can make a quick buck, fast promotions, good bonuses and move on to the next gig.

What you should have is a MSRP that is the price consumers should not expect to pay more than, so that people know if they are being taken for a bit too much of a ride.

We should push to make MAP illegal as it may not be too bad to start out with but as proven, too many greedy companies suddenly try to use it as club to beat their best dealers over the heads with and force them to rip off customers because some slimey greedwad fresh out of college, off to make his first million "consulting" tells them it's "In the best interest of their brand".

Companies, politicians and banks all seem to be counting on consumers being too divided and having too short of a memory to stand up for their rights so they keep tilting the scales more and more till the consumers are totally being scalped.

If all the manufacturers of scopes wanted to be evil and say we are all evil together, ask how long they would last if all the consumers just simply said, okay fine, we don't need that high end scope this year we'll wait till next year and see which of you finally comes to your senses first and we'll then buy from them. Unless they were getting huge handouts from government contracts, they would have to change their tune within a year once they realized the bonus money was not coming their way that year.
 
#389
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You know, there are quite a few companies out there with MAP. Most do not enforce them with their dealers as a defacto Minimum Selling Price policy. If I read Scott's account correctly, *THIS* is the issue with Premier.

MAP is not the problem. The leadership of certain companies and their thirst for MORE is the problem.

John </div></div>

regardless of greed, one should not enter into an agreement that they are not willing to stick to. i am simply asking if this is what happened here or not BEFORE i make judgement. </div></div>

That is due diligence and I do applaud you for holding out for better info. That is NOT the norm.

We'll have to wait for Scott to weigh in on that for solid info, but having known Scott for some time now... I'd be shocked and disappointed to find that he signed an agreement with full understanding then did a u-turn. I bet we find that is NOT the case. Standing by...

John
 
#390
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LRS_Ranger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I hope someone from ATI reads this... because here is another guy who will never buy any of their shit, and will exercise every opportunity I have to tell others not to buy from them either. Talk about shooting themselves in the foot! DoucheFucks.... </div></div>Exactly my feelings. I was just talking about high end scopes with a buddy today, and I will make sure I tell him to cross Premier off of the list now, and why I feel he should.

To the other guys saying that many other companies have MAP pricing, I agree and while I don't like it, that's not the issue I have with what Premier did here. I have a problem with how they treated him for selling the scope under their MAP pricing, when he didn't advertise it under that price. There is a difference between MAP, and MSP. Apparently it's not to them though. That's the first strike for me. The second is how they sent out another dealer to entrap him. The 3rd is how they handled it with him after he sold it to another dealer cheaper than they'd have liked, which didn't have anything to do with MAP anyway.
 
#392
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I am within days of making a purchase with a very comfortable disposable income. Have looked at S&B, USO, NF, and Hensoldt with Premier still on the research-to-do list. One less to clutter the field.
Good luck Scott, Pete
 
#393
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I have been on the hide for years but don't post much but read all the time. I use dealers on on hear beccause of the feed back I have bought from Scott and will do so again soon. I to was looking at PH and have looked at them at a dealer and liked what I saw but will probably not buy one now, I will go USO if I decide to spend that much on a scope as I can get what I want built to my specs. I don't now if I should spend it all on a scope or get a can and scope for my build.
 
#394
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

That is due diligence and I do applaud you for holding out for better info. That is NOT the norm.</div></div>

unfortunately it appears that it is not the norm. i'd hate to see 40 pages of people bashing a company that did nothing wrong. but then again, maybe they were completely in the wrong.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

We'll have to wait for Scott to weigh in on that for solid info, but having known Scott for some time now... I'd be shocked and disappointed to find that he signed an agreement with full understanding then did a u-turn. I bet we find that is NOT the case. Standing by...

John </div></div>

also standing by...
 
#395
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So why is it that after all these posts Liberty Optics has nothing to say? It seems like there is alot of speculation and one side of a story that people are hearing in order for them to post their opinion.

Like jrob and 300, I would like to hear more before I make a statement. I think Premier makes a great scope and they have always taken very good care of myself and several others that I know that use their scopes and their customer service.
 
#396
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

That is due diligence and I do applaud you for holding out for better info. That is NOT the norm.</div></div>

unfortunately it appears that it is not the norm. i'd hate to see 40 pages of people bashing a company that did nothing wrong. but then again, maybe they were completely in the wrong.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

We'll have to wait for Scott to weigh in on that for solid info, but having known Scott for some time now... I'd be shocked and disappointed to find that he signed an agreement with full understanding then did a u-turn. I bet we find that is NOT the case. Standing by...

John </div></div>

also standing by... </div></div>

I would say that while nice to know, it is ultimately not as important. If a company is going to go down the route of trying to screw customers over for more money and either underhandedly or overtly try to ruin any dealer who gives a customer a discount when they ask for it, I don't care if it is in their 10 million page contract of unfair terms or not, that company should be loudly boycotted and brought to task for their evilness.

That is of course unless you want to wake up in a fully corporate controlled world where you have no choices, no options and have to pay tons for every product worth it or not, and the new crime is trying to pay less for something, because somehow somebody giving you a discount (even when your corporate overlords get the same amount of money) is an insult to the corporate brand you should all pay all your money for.

If you don't take a stand against things that are moraly wrong because "well it's in the contract somewhere .. maybe" then those with the most money to spend on lawyers will write worse and worse one sided contracts as they see how much they can get away with.
 
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Re: We no longer sell Premier Heritage riflescopes

So let me get this straight. I'm a vendor. I choose to sell a Premier for $300 under MAP. Premier still receives the full MAP price. I, as a vendor, lost $300 but decided the sale was more important than profit margins. I get fired.

Premier gets every penny they demand and at the same time puts more product out on the market (at the expense of the vendor, not the manufacturer, btw) consequently creating more exposure because one of their dealers was willing to take a financial hit to help further Premier's reputation and market share. So Scott went to war for Premier, helped put em back (near) the top, and when they finally got there they expended him.

This logic is fundamentally fucked in so many ways I don't even want to think about it.

Hey Premier, without guys like Scott you would all be flippin burgers at McDonald's for $8 an hour. I think I speak for most of us when I say you're elitist, holier-than-thou approach sickens me. You are the scum of the earth. Eat shit and die.
 
#398
Re: We no longer sell Premier Heritage riflescopes

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: W54/XM-388</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would say that while nice to know, it is ultimately not as important. If a company is going to go down the route of trying to screw customers over for more money and either underhandedly or overtly try to ruin any dealer who gives a customer a discount when they ask for it, I don't care if it is in their 10 million page contract of unfair terms or not, that company should be loudly boycotted and brought to task for their evilness.

That is of course unless you want to wake up in a fully corporate controlled world where you have no choices, no options and have to pay tons for every product worth it or not, and the new crime is trying to pay less for something, because somehow somebody giving you a discount (even when your corporate overlords get the same amount of money) is an insult to the corporate brand you should all pay all your money for.

If you don't take a stand against things that are moraly wrong because "well it's in the contract somewhere .. maybe" then those with the most money to spend on lawyers will write worse and worse one sided contracts as they see how much they can get away with. </div></div>

the bottom line is don't make agreements you aren't willing to keep. no one is forcing any dealer to sell a certain manufacture's product.
 
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