Maggie’s What's Your View II

[tnichols]

Gin joint 15 minutes ago, picking up ribs. Not the only thing you can pick up there.

http://www.ribhouse.net

Nothing wrong with that...

 

[Veer_G]

Nothing wrong with that...

Nope. Just a semi-desperate, middle-aged pack in there.

 

[vh20]

My Shootin' Buddy is still hanging around. The corner of the pond extends into my shooting lane. If I'm shooting from the "short" side of the pond, it's 1330 yds. If I want more, I have to go around to the other side of the pond, and can move further back from there, on out to about 1630 max. Anyway, this old boy and two of his buddies were on the far bank when I pulled up. After a minute or two he flew across and landed about 30 yards away, before I even got out of the truck.



So, the shooting: My past two outings I've been trying to decide which factory load performs best at just over 3/4 mile (1330). I've been shooting mostly Hornady 147gr ELDM (6.5CM) lately, but decided to go back and give the 140gr version another try. Both shoot little tiny groups at 100, and I don't see much difference out to 1200 or so. But AB on the Kestrel predicts better performance with the 147 at max ranges, given the observed MVs from the chrono. But in practice it "seems" the 140s are grouping a little better at 1300+. I haven't shot head-to-head enough to be sure just yet though. The biggest problem with either of these loads is the huge ES and SD and it really starts to show up past 1000. Nothing I can do about that except work up a load of my own, but the whole reason I bought a 6.5 was to shoot factory ammo, so not much interest in that right now. I'd rather spend my time in the reloading room on the .338s. The 6.5 is just to play with. Anyway, I hit 4 out of 5 yesterday at 1330 with the 140s, and 3 out of 5 with the 147s (but they were more dispersed). The trend was they were drifting farther right with each shot as the group progressed due to a light breeze that began building. Bottom of the target wasn't visible to me, and I couldn't see the lowest hit (shot 4) and thought I missed, and also didn't quite pick up the trend. No doubt the one miss went wide right.

 

[2ndamendfan]

Here is my story and better pictures. We took almost 1000 pics. I have picked out quite a few. Hope you enjoy.

3 years ago my entire family went to Oahu, for a celebration of my mom's retirement. approx 18 hrs after we landed my wife gets a call from her mother that there is an emergency at home. My wife flies home on the next available flight. She gets home to quickly figure out there is nothing she can do and her mom panicked, we will leave it at that. There was only one seat, so I stayed with my side of the family and finished the trip. I told my wife I would make sure she got to see everything I did. So this is the return.

PS mother in-law has never said "thanks" or "Sorry". Has become a huge riff between my wife and her mother (me also, but I keep my mouth shut). Hopefully this trip eases the riff.

We had 2 days of paying our respects. You seriously can not take it all in.

I do want to thank JimmyAGR for attempting to help me with one last wish. While It didn't work out he did respond, our timing was just off a little. The Snipershide brotherhood is alive and well. [IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"http:\/\/i.imgur.com\/cbSThT3.jpg"}[/IMG2]
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Notable markers found in a nice leisurely walk around. 34,000 markers (plus list of missing) I am sure I read a few hundred. letter/number in top left is the section and then the stone number in that section. On a side note, tour buses can not stop and unload at the cemetery, ordnance had been in place since 1990. If you want to walk around you have to get yourself there. [IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"http:\/\/i.imgur.com\/66jybMj.jpg"}[/IMG2]
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At the end is the memorial to the missing. It is organized by war and then branch of service. On the right had side they are doing restoration work. For that side they had a kiosk set up with pictures of every panel on about a 36" TV which would put it about life size. You could scroll for days to see them all. each little court yard has names engraved on every marble surface. inside and out. If it is marble (white stone at least) it has names on it. Damn staggering. [IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"http:\/\/i.imgur.com\/mE5MaFr.jpg"}[/IMG2]
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[2ndamendfan]

Medal of Honor gets you a star and your name high lighted

At the top is this, the quote is from Abraham Lincoln to Mrs Bixby who lost 5 sons in the Civil War.
It says.
...."the solemn pride that must be yours to have laid so costly a sacrifice upon the altar of Freedom."

 

[vh20]

Wow, 2A. Just incredible.
Thanks for posting those.

 

[tnichols]

2ndamendfan, great pics, thanks for posting. The loss is staggering and even hard for me to comprehend. The quote from Lincoln to Mrs Bixby was also featured in Saving Private Ryan I beleive. Great work!

 

[tnichols]

My Shootin' Buddy is still hanging around. The corner of the pond extends into my shooting lane. If I'm shooting from the "short" side of the pond, it's 1330 yds. If I want more, I have to go around to the other side of the pond, and can move further back from there, on out to about 1630 max. Anyway, this old boy and two of his buddies were on the far bank when I pulled up. After a minute or two he flew across and landed about 30 yards away, before I even got out of the truck.




I went ahead and set up, then popped up from the truck bed to look at the water surface for an idea of wind speed (not much) and direction, and he had moved to the other side of the truck. Black legs, so confirmed he is a Great Egret. I have no idea why he likes to hang around so close while I'm shooting. It's pretty funny. Maybe he wants to give it a try.



So, the shooting: My past two outings I've been trying to decide which factory load performs best at just over 3/4 mile (1330). I've been shooting mostly Hornady 147gr ELDM (6.5CM) lately, but decided to go back and give the 140gr version another try. Both shoot little tiny groups at 100, and I don't see much difference out to 1200 or so. But AB on the Kestrel predicts better performance with the 147 at max ranges, given the observed MVs from the chrono. But in practice it "seems" the 140s are grouping a little better at 1300+. I haven't shot head-to-head enough to be sure just yet though. The biggest problem with either of these loads is the huge ES and SD and it really starts to show up past 1000. Nothing I can do about that except work up a load of my own, but the whole reason I bought a 6.5 was to shoot factory ammo, so not much interest in that right now. I'd rather spend my time in the reloading room on the .338s. The 6.5 is just to play with. Anyway, I hit 4 out of 5 yesterday at 1330 with the 140s, and 3 out of 5 with the 147s (but they were more dispersed). The trend was they were drifting farther right with each shot as the group progressed due to a light breeze that began building. Bottom of the target wasn't visible to me, and I couldn't see the lowest hit (shot 4) and thought I missed, and also didn't quite pick up the trend. No doubt the one miss went wide right.

vh20, that is still solid shooting. Well done. Your on the back side of the curve with a 6.5 at those distances, so every minuscule detail comes into play. My 260 handloads with single digit SD's start to show some vertical at 1K that is less than ideal, BUT, at 852' MSL and typically shooting in cold, dense air, I've come to accept/tolerate it. Enjoy the opportunity to to get out and shoot at those distances especially with your new shooting "buddy" . My latest shooting "buddy" is one of our farm cats that is overly friendly and dumber than a box of hammers. Story at a later date... Good shooting my friend.

 

[Tucker301]

Just a quick update on Dad and then let's get back to what we were doing.
Brought him home yesterday and he's doing great. Looking stronger and feeling better.

He was on the phone with my oldest brother and told him that I had said I was getting him a new car for his birthday. I butted in and said, "That was when I thought you weren't going to make it."

Thanks for the well wishes. Awesome photos, boys. Keep em coming!

 

[vh20]

Tucker - AWESOME!

TN - I'm at 200 AGL so no breaks there, but with the heat it's typically 2300 DA this time of year.

 

[tnichols]

Just a quick update on Dad and then let's get back to what we were doing.
Brought him home yesterday and he's doing great. Looking stronger and feeling better.

He was on the phone with my oldest brother and told him that I had said I was getting him a new car for his birthday. I butted in and said, "That was when I thought you weren't going to make it."

Thanks for the well wishes. Awesome photos, boys. Keep em coming!

Great news Tucker! Does he get to pick the make and model?

 

[2ndamendfan]

That is good to hear Tucker. Hmmm, maybe check this out
https://www.snipershide.com/shootin...room/the-bear-pit/6543012-buying-new-car-help

 

[RetMSgt]

Oak smoke rolling off a full packer brisket at 0530.

New Mexico morning, monsoon season.

 

[tnichols]

Oak smoke rolling off a full packer brisket at 0530.

New Mexico morning, monsoon season.

How did that brisket turn out? I need a "lawn" like that! Low maintenance!

 

[Veer_G]

How did that brisket turn out? I need a "lawn" like that! Low maintenance!

It's an unholy bitch when the mower blades catch the "grass," though.

 

[RetMSgt]

How did that brisket turn out? I need a "lawn" like that! Low maintenance!

The taste was dead on. I used 50/50 coarse sea salt and coarse pepper, then light dusting of onion and garlic powder. You can cut the flat or point with a fork. Not my best, but still good.

Good flex off the flat.

I froze half of it and sliced the rest up, doused with beef stock.

 

[1J04]

My Shootin' Buddy is still hanging around. The corner of the pond extends into my shooting lane. If I'm shooting from the "short" side of the pond, it's 1330 yds. If I want more, I have to go around to the other side of the pond, and can move further back from there, on out to about 1630 max. Anyway, this old boy and two of his buddies were on the far bank when I pulled up. After a minute or two he flew across and landed about 30 yards away, before I even got out of the truck.




I went ahead and set up, then popped up from the truck bed to look at the water surface for an idea of wind speed (not much) and direction, and he had moved to the other side of the truck. Black legs, so confirmed he is a Great Egret. I have no idea why he likes to hang around so close while I'm shooting. It's pretty funny. Maybe he wants to give it a try.



So, the shooting: My past two outings I've been trying to decide which factory load performs best at just over 3/4 mile (1330). I've been shooting mostly Hornady 147gr ELDM (6.5CM) lately, but decided to go back and give the 140gr version another try. Both shoot little tiny groups at 100, and I don't see much difference out to 1200 or so. But AB on the Kestrel predicts better performance with the 147 at max ranges, given the observed MVs from the chrono. But in practice it "seems" the 140s are grouping a little better at 1300+. I haven't shot head-to-head enough to be sure just yet though. The biggest problem with either of these loads is the huge ES and SD and it really starts to show up past 1000. Nothing I can do about that except work up a load of my own, but the whole reason I bought a 6.5 was to shoot factory ammo, so not much interest in that right now. I'd rather spend my time in the reloading room on the .338s. The 6.5 is just to play with. Anyway, I hit 4 out of 5 yesterday at 1330 with the 140s, and 3 out of 5 with the 147s (but they were more dispersed). The trend was they were drifting farther right with each shot as the group progressed due to a light breeze that began building. Bottom of the target wasn't visible to me, and I couldn't see the lowest hit (shot 4) and thought I missed, and also didn't quite pick up the trend. No doubt the one miss went wide right.

Very Nice !!!! And great write up on your outing. My eldest had a day off that coincided with one of mine and has been biting at the bit to shoot. So we packed up and headed to one of my favorite spots again and finally got to stretch out the Hide Build for the very first time. Place was fogged in when we first got up there but lifted and burnt off fast. Set up a tall target at 555 and sent 2 at it to see where this thing is hitting. Ran down and found them resting next to each other at 1 1/4" apart. I haven't got the velocity of this load yet but dialed my best guess and had my Son toss 3 at it. His were a few inches apart. Didn't measure. We weren't screwing around because the heat and wind were coming on, hence the early start.

We hung the 8" plate up and gave it a few then packed up to move back as far as we could since this place is growing up so damn fast. Set up the hanger at the pit and got back to 1464 were we could see but the damn mirage washed out the 8" plate to the point it was a no go show. Next open spot inside that was 900 and it was still a tad iffy but we had a time of it. This piece a crap part by part Hide built complete factory, except the recoil lug, 7MM just plain frigging shoots. Took one of my Sons life long buddies along and he's never done anything like this. He went 3 for 5 right outta the gate. BIG SMILE. Son beat the crap outta the little plate and Gimpy Dad even beat it up a bit. Wind, Heat, and Mirage started wreaking havoc so it was off to the watering hole.

 

[MtnCreek]

You shooting lefty?

 

[1J04]

You shooting lefty?

Nope. I'm capable of a few pops then done. There's no way in hell I'm passing on a damn near zero wind day up here. I tried a couple times to get the lefty thing accomplished but that's not gonna happen either.

Oh, and we took out 5 of your PMAGS and the 5.56 and let the boyz rain hell's fury all over the place. What a blast. Dad range that rock. 352. Crack crack crack. They had a hell of a time. And thx again for the amazing hook up.

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[1J04]

Tucker - Outstanding news. Just love to hear that it's going well and Dad is home where he belongs. Happy for all of you buddy.

2nd - Damn nice job there buddy. Glad ya got that off the list and great job of sharing. Thx.

The Rest Of You Heathens - Keep being you. You're good at it. Nice job gentlemen. Carry on.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Utterly gorgeous couple of days here... But I got the mowing done, spent some time training the grape vines... and then retired to my new reloading room to break it in!

200 Freshly loaded . .14/221 Eichelberger rounds!

There is one .223 round up front there to show how small these little buggers are.

Some of the next tensions weren't as much as I like. So a little lacquer... and GTG!

Those big bolts off to the right are 7/8 x 14tpi... and I use them to make custom dies and stuff. Next project will be a necker for the Eich. Need to close them down another .002 or so! But these are ready for fire-forming. So not perfect rounds yet. After fire-forming, I can accuracy-check.

Not much of a view... but it was a good, relaxing day!

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

[MtnCreek]

What's expected barrel life for that?

 

[2ndamendfan]

What's expected barrel life for that?

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

No clue... but I suspect that it is about 5K rounds. .14 cal at 4100 FPS - 5000 FPS.... not great.

But I don't expect I'll be shooting this like my TRG.

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

[JimmyAGR]

2ndamendfan Sorry the timing didn't work. Those are some beautiful pictures, brought some tears to my eyes. Especially the quote of the letter from Lincoln.

 

[MosesTheTank]

Watching the sun set behind Mount Moran in Grand Teton a few weeks ago
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And waking up...

 

[MosesTheTank]

 

[tnichols]

Watching the sun set behind Mount Moran in Grand Teton a few weeks ago
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And waking up...

Beautiful Moses!

 

[tnichols]

Lunch with my kids above the tree line today. Rocky Mountain National Park. Don't know what I enjoyed more, the scenery or the time spent sharing it with them.

 

[vh20]

Hey, man! What are you doing way down here?

 

[1J04]

Something's Fishy, and it ain't just in the Pit. Saddle Mountain in the background right center. Big enough Saddle for someone's high horse.
Beautiful shots fellas. Damn.

 

[Garvey]

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[MtnCreek]

Fire truck ladder?

 

[jv02]

Was there for the first time on Sunday. I can see me getting spoiled by that place.

 

[tnichols]

Fire truck ladder?

Would be my guess as well.

 

[Garvey]

Fire truck ladder?

Yessir. Some pre-incident planning.

 

[MosesTheTank]

Hey, man! What are you doing way down here?

I live about 90 minutes from there. After exactly 2 years away I decided it was time to dust off some non-PRS and non-hunting rigs and waste gobs of ammo in the pistol bays. Do you shoot there? Which events?

 

[MosesTheTank]

This one was taken while sitting on "the Groover" and writing a letter to the President. The Groover is a M61 ammo can used for organic deposits and to haul it out, all in the spirit of leave no trace. It is called the Groover because of the lines from the edge of the can left on your glutes after sitting for a spell and contemplating the evil nature of the IMF. The vantage point is from Grassy Island on Lake Jackson. [IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"http:\/\/i.imgur.com\/O533BpO.jpg"}[/IMG2]

 

[oneshot86]

my god man.
truly beautiful

 

[tnichols]

This one was taken while sitting on "the Groover" and writing a letter to the President. The Groover is a M61 ammo can used for organic deposits and to haul it out, all in the spirit of leave no trace. It is called the Groover because of the lines from the edge of the can left on your glutes after sitting for a spell and contemplating the evil nature of the IMF. The vantage point is from Grassy Island on Lake Jackson. [IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"http:\/\/i.imgur.com\/O533BpO.jpg"}[/IMG2]

Beautiful country along with great photography!

 

[tnichols]

Lunchtime veiw with the kids today at Red Rock.

 

[tnichols]

And our veiw this evening. Rockies-Mets at Coors Field.

 

[oneshot86]

big fat awesome, dudes

 

[oneshot86]

big fat awesome dudes

 

[Rthur]

This one was taken while sitting on "the Groover" and writing a letter to the President. The Groover is a M61 ammo can used for organic deposits and to haul it out, all in the spirit of leave no trace. It is called the Groover because of the lines from the edge of the can left on your glutes after sitting for a spell and contemplating the evil nature of the IMF. The vantage point is from Grassy Island on Lake Jackson. [IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"http:\/\/i.imgur.com\/O533BpO.jpg"}[/IMG2]

Nice pic, that area is one of my favorites.

R

 

[tnichols]

Mid morning view from Pikes Peak today. 46 degrees with a stiff breeze.

 

[tnichols]

Toured the Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs this afternoon. I was curious how the shooting portion would be handled by our guide. She did an excellent job, was knowledgeable about the sport, and referred to our shooters as highly skilled athletes. The shooting sports were given as much time in the tour as the other disciplines. Good for her! Poor picture of the indoor range through wire glass.

 

[Veer_G]

Early morning surprise. The wife was in NYC being corporate for a few days, so of course I had to share.

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[vh20]

These guys are going through our place right now replacing all the power poles on this line that run downs the entire front of our property. They just went through a couple of years ago and replaced any poles that were questionable, but now they're replacing "everything" - every pole, new heavier lines, etc. That means that all the poles being replaced are in great shape, and the landowner can have them. I now need to figure out where to put another pole barn/equipment shed, etc.

 

[SONIC SAAMI]

The east rim Steens Mountain Oregon looking over the Alvord desert.