Will you supply autographed copies to Hide members? BTW, received my copy of "Masters of Mayhem". Cracked the first few pages then set aside, saving it for this coming winter.
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When SHTF, I'm coming to your house
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I have acquaintances, friends and family. Friends and family take priority until they don't contribute to the safety of the group.
Some of us have talked about the Cascadia Earthquake aftermath....we also have a plan, and backup plans.
Two us know our property plan and the password and some other friend-or-foe ID stuff.
Show up uninvited and you'll be lit up.
Some of us have talked about the Cascadia Earthquake aftermath....we also have a plan, and backup plans.
Two us know our property plan and the password and some other friend-or-foe ID stuff.
Show up uninvited and you'll be lit up.
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I'm surrounded by an entire area of people who have 1 year of food and supplies, per person, in their homes.
Hilariously, most of them don't shoot, don't train, aern't particularly smart and would have no idea what to do if something did come to the point of them needing those supplies.
I think I'll be fine.
Hilariously, most of them don't shoot, don't train, aern't particularly smart and would have no idea what to do if something did come to the point of them needing those supplies.
I think I'll be fine.
I hear this alot too. We had a large fire here a few moths ago. The area I live in was under mandatory evacuation. The traffic was so bad I couldn't leave even if I wanted too. The roads leaving my area were completely plugged. So if the SHTF here everyone on their way yo my house would die in traffic.
Where are you? Utah? Your description sounds about right, for a lot of the folks around the SLC/Provo area...
You say 1 year supply of food and everyone perks up. He is closer to Las Vegas than SLC.
We all know we are going to @ArmyJerry s place anyway.
We all know we are going to @ArmyJerry s place anyway.
When SHTF, I'm going to my parents house to take care of them... so my empty house will be available. Rent will be payable in wood.
I'll assist anyone I can as long as it doesn't effect me and mine in a negative manner.
I'm of the opinion that while I'd love to hole up and disappear, it would be beneficial of myself and loved ones to create a community that works together. I can't keep watch 24/7/365. I'm also not going to have a lot of patience for bullshit. And when there's anarchy, I become judge, jury, and executioner.
I'm of the opinion that while I'd love to hole up and disappear, it would be beneficial of myself and loved ones to create a community that works together. I can't keep watch 24/7/365. I'm also not going to have a lot of patience for bullshit. And when there's anarchy, I become judge, jury, and executioner.
I'd love to be this goto SHTF person. I'd need 1 rifle per person + 5 mags. But wait, one is none and two is one, so 2 rifles +10 mags per person. Everyone will need training so 5000 rds per. Then ammo to deploy so another 5000 rds per. Ive got immediate family + extended family + family friends so ~30 people excluding future kids to rebuild society. I'll need supplies for them too. Rough maths is 60 rifles and 300k rds to outfit my fam+friends for SHTF.
I'm gonna need a bigger house...
I'm gonna need a bigger house...
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Probably not gonna be there. I think me and AJ are going to be competing for some of the same objectives.
Most yeasts will work, but you can get Distillers yeast from most homebrew stores in bulk that are more resistant to high alcohol yields
I don't think anyone would disagree with you, in fact yours is the only winning plan when the rule of law goes out the window.
But the time to build that community is before things go to shit.
I think the OP was referring to the leeches and opportunists that know you prep and expect to just show up uninvited.
That happens here even without a "disaster"... a couple wrecks or a small ice storm and the whole huge metro area grinds to a standstill. Once we even had people stuck on the road for over a day thanks to idiot truckers trying to drive their 18 wheelers up icy bridges with summer tires. (Because pulling over and waiting was just not their style).
So a big part of my plans is hoofing it on foot if I can't take the car, or need to bail out of the car because something very bad is coming & traffic is at a stop, or other players are involved and it's time to get off the road right this moment car or no car.
You must contribute in some way,or plan B
You are here! i would ask them if they need any help............
Just kidding!
You are here! i would ask them if they need any help............
Just kidding!
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I’m usuall pretty quite and don’t have the time to post much so I lurk a lot, but dam I love you guys and how you think!!
This site is a long read, but lots of useful info from what seems to be a fairly level headed guy. He gives his account of what it was like to bug out for real when Katrina destroyed his neighborhood.
http://www.theplacewithnoname.com/blogs/klessons/
Lots of good info on some of the obstacles he faced. Like protecting his wealth. Not just monetary wealth, but the wealth of knowlage he acquired for his job. He talks about when he was displaced he encountered trouble getting work because all his credentials that proved his expericance were left back in New Orleans.
He also has some good advice on preparedness plans and how to layer them. Like 30 second plan: wake up in the middle of the night and the house is on fire, 30 seconds to get out, at 90 seconds your dead from smoke inhalation, what can you save???
He also talks about some of what he saw first hand and what happened to people that “I’m going to so and so place if SHTF” mentality.
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This site is a long read, but lots of useful info from what seems to be a fairly level headed guy. He gives his account of what it was like to bug out for real when Katrina destroyed his neighborhood.
http://www.theplacewithnoname.com/blogs/klessons/
Lots of good info on some of the obstacles he faced. Like protecting his wealth. Not just monetary wealth, but the wealth of knowlage he acquired for his job. He talks about when he was displaced he encountered trouble getting work because all his credentials that proved his expericance were left back in New Orleans.
He also has some good advice on preparedness plans and how to layer them. Like 30 second plan: wake up in the middle of the night and the house is on fire, 30 seconds to get out, at 90 seconds your dead from smoke inhalation, what can you save???
He also talks about some of what he saw first hand and what happened to people that “I’m going to so and so place if SHTF” mentality.
David
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Careful with that line if thinking. They could be playing the exact same game you are!
They might be, but based on observations over the last year I doubt it.
Even if they are, I don't count those I barely know into my plans. Just keep them at arms length.
If they wish to bring trouble, they will find it
HAHAHAHAHAHA
I worked at a company that had a lot of people from the Mormon faith. They all prepped but had no protection. I never had a year of food but three months was always in stock. They didn't understand whyI had little food but adequate armaments. They asked me "what happens when you run out?"
Easy....I shoot you and take your food.
We all laughed
What part of the country are you located? You sound like one of my neighbors. Lmao.
It would be a gross underestimation to think they're all like that. City folk are city folk, regardless of what faith fundamentals they may have, but the country boys (and girls) always survive.
Don't forget, I'm from Utah. I know a thing or two about the area and the people there. My 87 year old grandmother can still single shot harvest an elk or mulie at 700yds, and she hasn't hesitated in the past to hold someone at gunpoint in a skirt and heels while they tried to rob her bank back in the day.
There's a lot of pacifists there prepping for the rapture where all the "evil" people will supposedly be gone, but they're a shit ton of shooters there who are more than prepared for everything else. Unlike crossfitters, those on gluten free diets and typical EOTWAWKI preppers, they know how to keep their mouths shut about what they are up to.
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I've got a lot of Mormon family on my wife's side. I didn't even know this one kid was interested in shooting til he up and joined the Marines. Felt kinda bad when I found out cuz he's wanted to go hunting for the longest but nobody ever took him. It'll happen eventually. He got back from a mission in Guatemala and went straight to the Marines.
I've never seen a Mormon stash that looked like my own, but all of 'em I know have enough to get by for a while. Maybe it's just cuz they're Texan =)
Yeah I think there might be hell to pay if you go murder the unarmed ones for their supplies and later on the armed ones find out
I hear it a lot, but I won't be home. I'll be taking teh fam and whatever I can haul that will get me to the place called 'point B'. With guns and money, fuel will either be paid for, or taken at gun point should the person not want to barter or sell outright. Getting to 'point B' is tantamount to long term survival, and it will be reached at all costs.
So, if you already live about an hour or so outside of any major city, are you staying home or bugging out? Let’s take a general consensus. As many people here have already mentioned and we already know, you won’t be able to make it alone. So, regardless of which you choose you will need people.
How are you guys going about rounding up your help list right now? I’ve talked to some people I know and trust about this stuff and they think I’m batshit crazy.
How are you guys going about rounding up your help list right now? I’ve talked to some people I know and trust about this stuff and they think I’m batshit crazy.
What a stupid thing to say. Why, because we're making up the Yugoslavian CIvil War? It isn't "realistic" enough for you? Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. Sure seemed "realistic" to me at the time, and the lessons learned are plenty applicable and valuable. "Balkanized" is now a word to describe a diverse society that becomes fractured. This is especially true beause some people tout diversity as a goal and completely ignore everything that unites us. Pretend that long enough, teach it to enough children (fail to be realistic), and it shall come to pass.
Argentina didn't invent poverty by adopting this great new political system called "socialism"? What happened there was inevitable, and the people who "survived" just did what all poor Latin Americans have done out in the coutnryside since they've been there. The only ones who had to "learn" to survive with no economy were the city folks, who I have no afinity for anyway. Although, I'll grant you, socialism is a form of man made disaster, I think being in the middle of a civil war is quite a bit more Shit Hitting The Fan than your government bankrupting the economy and suddenly making everyone poor. Even though this is also likely to happen here with our government's theft and pretend bottomless piggybank.
You bastard! What kind of crazy shit is now tracking me because I clicked on that? What kind of sick, canibal advertizements are goign to start showing up on my computer? Shit, shit, shit, shit, shit....
I totally agree. The only reason that I mentioned their faith was because I never realized that their faith requires them to stockpile supplies...however, not being armed is a failure to understand the nature of people when forced to survive. Being able to defend what you have is an essential article of preparedness. One that seems to escape many.
Yea i doubt I am going anywhere. As stated early on, everyone I know thinks the mountains are the answer. Fuck that. I see no point of packing up 1/2 the shit I own (everything i have room for) and dieing in a traffic jamb 2 miles from home. Exhausted from loading 2 trucks/trailers. Admittedly if the mountains are "the place" all the good spots will be long gone before I get there. My life is built around my home. That is where I will make either my first stand and move or my last stand. Let all the dumb asses kill each other in the mountains. I know where cattle are free ranging on BLM land and it is not where people think.
And yea talk to anyone about it and I am looked at as crazy.
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Yea, I grew up around Mormons too. They're crazy organized when it comes to SHTF (even if it's an individual family illness or such). Conversion at the start of the Apocalypse is always an option.
You'll have to force yourself to plough through the Book of Mormon, the Pearl, and the book of Covenants before you can convince anyone you're in the tribe. That is alot easier said than done. I'm a voracious reader and I had trouble staying awake through them.
You'll have to force yourself to plough through the Book of Mormon, the Pearl, and the book of Covenants before you can convince anyone you're in the tribe. That is alot easier said than done. I'm a voracious reader and I had trouble staying awake through them.
Bugging in for certain. However, I am not thinking that a cataclysm approaches. In my area we have already identified two other families that are in our trust circle. We plan more for short duration episodes - bad storms, etc. than planning for a collapse of the rule of law. Losing power for several days in the dead of winter has occurred before. And you are absolutely correct when you say that your odds of getting through these things are substantially increased with other, like minded people.
The other neighbors can go fuck themselves.
Don't dismiss them so easily. People tend to change their politics when things get real and it's no longer all theoretical. If they're foundering and scared then they're easy to recruit and easily led. More foot soldiers for the regiement of irregulars. We're going to need latrine diggers too.
You are right in that respect and the other families and I have discussed it but the issue with that is a trust thing as well. If you let them in, you also have to trust that they will do the right thing and continue to do so. It really is a double edged sword. Depending on the event, letting the wrong people in to gain an increased number may work against you as well.
As an aside, not all Mormons are unarmed...quite the opposite actually. Just depends on the individual Mormons.
I don't disagree with that, but the solution is leadership. Excelent leadership can counter more than you think, and there is also always the threat of being thrown out to fend for yourself, which ought to terrify any family with no skils or means. Fear of the unknown is a powerful weapon, that is even more potent in uncertain times. Frankly my policy is to take as many as possible, and then deal with any problems later. You can't build an army being too choosy, and I plan on at least a division if not a regiment of irregulars under my command.
Hypothetically speaking, this is going to depend a lot on your environment (anyone else remember the acronym KOCOA?).
I'm no prep'er, but when we bought our home in suburban'ville SoCal, I specifically looked for an area that is close to water (lake), near a major access point, an easily secured neighborhood (limited street access) and terrain that has a view (elevated/high ground). Not that I think the world will come to an end, only that a major earthquake will likely bring a short period of lawlessness and disorder, and being prepared for such a (likely here in SoCal) event is just prudent.
As the saying goes "A gun is a lot like a parachute. You'll likely never need one, but when you do need one, nothing else will quite do."
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