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When SHTF, I'm coming to your house
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I believe Redmass lives in an area that produces a surplus of Food.
Not sure some of you get how anarchy works.
Rule #1 no rules.
Rule#2 see rule #1
First order of business, take out anyone that thinks they are in charge..!
Uniforms and badges will be an imidiate provocation, to be dispatched.
The collective borg that forms in any area will rule that erea, reguardless of past rules.
Leaders will be enured as long as they enjoy popularity, dipached and replaced on a whim.
Le and mil will soon tire of shooting friends and relitives while endangering loved ones.
Old bastereds like me will only be tolerated if we shut up and produce results.
People used to being in charge will get over it one way or another.
Rule #1 no rules.
Rule#2 see rule #1
First order of business, take out anyone that thinks they are in charge..!
Uniforms and badges will be an imidiate provocation, to be dispatched.
The collective borg that forms in any area will rule that erea, reguardless of past rules.
Leaders will be enured as long as they enjoy popularity, dipached and replaced on a whim.
Le and mil will soon tire of shooting friends and relitives while endangering loved ones.
Old bastereds like me will only be tolerated if we shut up and produce results.
People used to being in charge will get over it one way or another.
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Cow and corn. We're surrounded by it, and gardening is a way of life in the western mountains.
the same as they ate before the civil war, bring your own shit to eat, officers get them food and ammo. simple, we survived a good way through our own civil war that way on both sides.
Most city dwellers wouldn't know how to skin and gut an animal properly. Cities will turn into nothing but large graveyards
Agreed. But, you are going to have to maintain control of them, which will be the hardest part and everyone has to chip in as you already know.
That’s pretty standard anywhere in the SE for the most part.
It's the first 90 days that count. After that, its all about prepping for winter. There will be targets everywhere, no need to get in a hurry...unless they are on your A list and close by.
Don’t think Phoenix would have any issues at all? Complete shit show for sure sorting out the makers from the takers. True relationships aren’t made when things are easy, there made when things are hard and ugly. Damn few of my neighbors would understand that concept and have no sense of community. Spent my youth wanting to get the hell out of a small town.....now I’d kinda like to go back and certainly so under a shtf scenario.
There are quite a few black swan kind of events that would demand you had a year or two worth of food if you wanted to stay alive till the conditions were such that you could actually get back to sustaining yourself in an ongoing basis off of plants and animals.
In addition you may want to have extra just incase you wind up with more mouths to feed than originally planned.
If you are planning on rebuilding civilization or repopulating the planet type of stuff, you can just about never have too much food, weapons, medicine, tools and books stored away.
When it happens I'm wandering the high desert. When I encounter a wise looking man I will say "is that you Greg?" He will reply "who's asking" I'll say "DevidDocAZ" and he will know I mean him no harm and bring news from the inner city. We will talk, then I will leave him in peace as I found him.
Phoenix is so fuq'd. You couldn't get out of here w a 2 dayhead start. I went to Payson over Labor Day. Spent more time stopped than I did driving. 5.5 hrs to make a 2hr drive.
6 hours to get back from Greer with Payson as the choke point. Holy fucktard did that suck!
No need to reinvent the wheel. We've had ways of appointing publicly supported leaders and enforcing law and order since the beginning of civilization. I'm not saying it will be immediate and easy and I'm certainly not saying to ignore ArmyJerry's mantra of "Buy more ammo", but it is far from Hollywood's apocalypse scenarios.
When you get right down to it, the vast majority of people are good. Those good ones just need to make sure it's them making the noise when the time comes. When they don't, that's when shit goes sideways.
The Civil War was a couple hundred million people and several lifetimes of dependency on fossil fuels and electronics and suburbanization of arable land ago. That and the travelling armies "lived off the land" which meant that they ate your crops and livestock and burned your wood when they came through. Sometimes the Union would compensate but often it was considered your contribution to the cause. The Confederacy had nothing of value to give in return. Anyone who has been on the wrong side of 'imminent domain' can tell you: it's tantamount to state piracy, even when you're 'compensated'. Without the authority of the state it's just piracy. Unless you own a lot of cattle and farmland or are counting on the farmers and ranchers agreeing that private property rights are null and void in your new reality you might be in for a rude awakening. Or you will be pirates.
Gardens are great but depending on the time of year nonexistent. I dunno about you but winter is long in my neck of the western mountains.
Look, I'm not merely being contrary and I wholeheartedly agree that maintaining some semblance of humanity and community is nearly as important as survival itself, but people can't eat platitudes and righteousness is a poor substitute for preparedness. If you don't have food stores you are likely to get desperate.
I hear that too, "if shit happens we're coming to your house".
Not without food stores and other shit we need you won't! Grasshopper and the ant. Be the ant.
Not without food stores and other shit we need you won't! Grasshopper and the ant. Be the ant.
When the black flag flies, I'll be walking two blocks down and over to the VFW. We have a significant pool of experienced leaders and implementers there. I think we'll at least have a better approach than some.
I'm not going to be in charge, but I think I can already guess who'll get tapped for it. Anyone who wants to get in his face will have to go through me, and not just me.
The problem with plans is that life happens while we're making those plans; usually quite differently. Better to have human and material resources, and to then figure it out as it comes.
If I had to describe my own situation two years in advance at any time during my earlier life, I'd have never imagined life as it actually occurred. Most plans don't manage that uncertainty so well.
Better to figure out a path, than to follow one that was ordained in different times.
Greg
I'm not going to be in charge, but I think I can already guess who'll get tapped for it. Anyone who wants to get in his face will have to go through me, and not just me.
The problem with plans is that life happens while we're making those plans; usually quite differently. Better to have human and material resources, and to then figure it out as it comes.
If I had to describe my own situation two years in advance at any time during my earlier life, I'd have never imagined life as it actually occurred. Most plans don't manage that uncertainty so well.
Better to figure out a path, than to follow one that was ordained in different times.
Greg
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That’s the #1 response I get when a select few have seen my gun room. I usually turn to them and say “ Yeah, but all I really need is a shotgun “. I then get the response “Why’s that”, and I reply “Because I’m just going to kill you and take all your stuff to.” Usually gets pretty quiet, and then I laugh. The other person laughs, and then I say “I’m not kidding”. 
That's the statement I got from my brother-in-law when he saw my earthquake supplies in my garage. I just rolled my eyes and sighed. Truth of the matter is I split most of my time between L.A. and Atlanta......so.......I'm dead.
When family is involved and the others do not want to assist polite offers, well, force becomes required to insure teh mission is completed. Do I care if someone else gets offed to support my family in a STHF scenario? No. I'll be as ruthless as required as taught by the Marines. Mission first at all costs. Failure is not an option, and your feelings do not matter. A full tank should go the distance to point B, but in the event it does not, and extra fuel is used to run, the first point with fuel will be politely asked to assist for barter or goods. If they do not assist, we move out to a point unseen, and a probing mission against the group away from the fuel happens. A second probe goes down immediately after the first just a few degrees off the first, then the opposite few degrees. Once the group is fully involved in stand to at the attack points, a three man team comes in, gets the fuel, and away we go. Between three or four vehicles though, I am certain this will be a scenario not needed and movement will be completed in about 5 hours
Your honesty is appreciated.
There are many others with the same ideas as you, most just don't actually forcefully state it.
I think it's important that people in denial are smacked in the face with reality.
Pretty much your planned scenario is exactly what is taught and discussed in some of the more pessimistic circles as what you need to be prepared for.
There are many others with the same ideas as you, most just don't actually forcefully state it.
I think it's important that people in denial are smacked in the face with reality.
Pretty much your planned scenario is exactly what is taught and discussed in some of the more pessimistic circles as what you need to be prepared for.
why are you planning to attack each other, you need to go after the ones that caused this situation, start keeping a Christmas list, ones who get coal and ones who nice. I will be on the offense, think it will take 24 hours to jell that we are in a SHTF moment then those responsible need to pay. RWOL goes both ways. Stop thinking Red Dawn and start thinking Saigon 1975 except we are Charlie.
I get that all the time and anyone who wants help from me will have one question to get past first.
Did you vote for that cunt Hillary Yes or No?
Yes.....Get the fuck out of here and go be with your kind I have zero use for someone who thinks like you.
No......We at least have a foundation that we can build a trusting relationship on lets get started!
Did you vote for that cunt Hillary Yes or No?
Yes.....Get the fuck out of here and go be with your kind I have zero use for someone who thinks like you.
No......We at least have a foundation that we can build a trusting relationship on lets get started!
You'll need all that ammo you have been buying, I think you'll find there might be a lot of other things you have to fight your way through to get to the people that you need to take care of, lots of other issues along the road or to keep loved ones safe.
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I'm thinking by the time people realize the water in the drain is swirling fast they are going to have a lot more things to worry about than extracting revenge upon the elite few. And if they do, it will be localized.
The elite few may be bastards and bitches but they are not entirely stupid and, for the most part, have above average wherewithal. They will be able to evacuate quickly and quietly. Any breakdown in communications will only help them.
Inasmuch as I will hold them in the deepest contempt, there will be no time give a shit. I've a family to see to and protect, by any means available to me.
You'll notice the low level Elite front men such as the Technocrats that run all the big multinationals, all tend to have these big ocean going yachts with helicopter pads on them as well as places in NZ or other such out of the way spots. They have their own get out of dodge plans.
However their downfall is like all rich idiots, they rely on a vast number of hired hands and hired security........
They love them some "Ex" Mossad and "Ex" Israeli SF guys, or western ex military types etc....... Fools.... Paying for their own eliminators...
The mid level elite also are well setup but probably a bit harder to find. The true Globalist Elite are very hard to track down, but once again they don't do their own security or their own dirty work, they have to rely on help... a lot more loyal and better paid help.... but once again... the help...
I would suggest that those who plan to go after them are probably already prepared to be highly mobile & have nothing left behind they need to defend, they may even already be in their employ.
I think while most will be involved in local stuff the important battles for control will be played out by a much smaller group.
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http://www.constitution.org/bio/fate_of_signers.htm
Maybe one day it'll be evident to you that some things are more important than anything else. I hope not, for your sake and mine, but I believe our generation has drawn the short straw.
You should work on making sure your family can survive without you.
At the end of the day, what is the point of life? Why live? Why reproduce? Why have families? Why have communities? Why have culture? If you're not willing to let go, why go at all?
I don't know the answer to that question. It's a tough one. However, what I do know is that there's magnificent evil in this world, and I don't believe we've made it this far just to give in to it now. Though I'll be long since dead by the time anything cool happens, I would love nothing more than to know that my bloodline existed thousands of years from now, and we were a part of some incredible shit.
You gonna jump or what?
It's like everyone in this thread is inside my head...
People think I do GORUCK and adventure races because I like the outdoors and am a masochist. While that is partly true, it is also because I work 36 miles from home, on the far side of a large metropolitan shithole. The mtb isn't in the truck just because I like to hit the trails after work. From wherever the truck can go no more I can easily throw on the ruck and go 50 miles on foot (preferably at night), further if I had to, and much further on the bike.
I also have the travel anxiety. I will not be getting away from trips to NYC any time soon. So I have a plan to handle that too.
W54/XM-388 is exactly right about the elites, or at least the vast majority of them. 10 years ago I sat through a meeting with various NYC Illuminati who were making plans for a SHTF scenario. As Frank has pointed out many times, ownership of the best equipment in the world does not denote competency. That planning committee was a complete farce. For all of the helipads on the East River and all of the wonderful yachts in the various harbors, maybe 5% of these folks could pilot themselves under duress and in the face of several million other flailing and panicked people. And that is if they could even make it to those aircraft or vessels and if they weren't pirated away by their own crews (who tend to think their bosses are a bunch of fucktards), and plenty more ifs that will leave most of them helpless. I will get a boat (power or sail, it doesn't matter) and I will be headed south.
We have a coastal home in the south. Wherever we go (and I have convinced the wife that coastal cities are the only places we need to visit) I make plans for a maritime getaway. By great measure, it is on the water that I am most separated from from the masses in terms of survivability and ability to wage mayhem.
As for community, I am planning on co-ownership of the situation. That's been fairly well covered in this thread. I'll add to it that I have put in motion plans to become Barney Fife in our ocean front community the moment I step into full retirement. For all of the reasons for doing this intel is one of the main ones.
An interesting aside, before we bought a house in this community I noticed the not-so-LE pistol/gun belt setup on a local LE and struck up an innocuous conversation. After a few weeks of bourbon sharing it turns out this guy has the background and mind set of the sort of people I want to be around. And his retirement plan was exactly the same as mine.
Shocking though it may seem, I share a few thoughts with @ArmyJerry. But for all of the shit I have said in these threads I dare not type those out.
People think I do GORUCK and adventure races because I like the outdoors and am a masochist. While that is partly true, it is also because I work 36 miles from home, on the far side of a large metropolitan shithole. The mtb isn't in the truck just because I like to hit the trails after work. From wherever the truck can go no more I can easily throw on the ruck and go 50 miles on foot (preferably at night), further if I had to, and much further on the bike.
I also have the travel anxiety. I will not be getting away from trips to NYC any time soon. So I have a plan to handle that too.
W54/XM-388 is exactly right about the elites, or at least the vast majority of them. 10 years ago I sat through a meeting with various NYC Illuminati who were making plans for a SHTF scenario. As Frank has pointed out many times, ownership of the best equipment in the world does not denote competency. That planning committee was a complete farce. For all of the helipads on the East River and all of the wonderful yachts in the various harbors, maybe 5% of these folks could pilot themselves under duress and in the face of several million other flailing and panicked people. And that is if they could even make it to those aircraft or vessels and if they weren't pirated away by their own crews (who tend to think their bosses are a bunch of fucktards), and plenty more ifs that will leave most of them helpless. I will get a boat (power or sail, it doesn't matter) and I will be headed south.
We have a coastal home in the south. Wherever we go (and I have convinced the wife that coastal cities are the only places we need to visit) I make plans for a maritime getaway. By great measure, it is on the water that I am most separated from from the masses in terms of survivability and ability to wage mayhem.
As for community, I am planning on co-ownership of the situation. That's been fairly well covered in this thread. I'll add to it that I have put in motion plans to become Barney Fife in our ocean front community the moment I step into full retirement. For all of the reasons for doing this intel is one of the main ones.
An interesting aside, before we bought a house in this community I noticed the not-so-LE pistol/gun belt setup on a local LE and struck up an innocuous conversation. After a few weeks of bourbon sharing it turns out this guy has the background and mind set of the sort of people I want to be around. And his retirement plan was exactly the same as mine.
Shocking though it may seem, I share a few thoughts with @ArmyJerry. But for all of the shit I have said in these threads I dare not type those out.
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Couple points, to clarify, I dont do revenge, I will be bringing justice, Constitutional justice, reimposing constitution law on our government.
As far as taking care of the family and protecting your shit, you gotta ask yourself what does that really mean??? Letting them be enslaved in perfect health and safety or giving them the same chance a living a life that you mostly lived with freedom and liberty? Well fed slaves are still slaves. Or,,, you could gamble and hope others take care of business for you while you sit back surrounded bu the wife and kids.
As far as taking care of the family and protecting your shit, you gotta ask yourself what does that really mean??? Letting them be enslaved in perfect health and safety or giving them the same chance a living a life that you mostly lived with freedom and liberty? Well fed slaves are still slaves. Or,,, you could gamble and hope others take care of business for you while you sit back surrounded bu the wife and kids.
Like I said I will stay home and defend that. I will not be the aggressor. I will try to survive till the Gov gets back in control. Then I will be just peachy till that Gov, (if leftist do win which I doubt) come for my guns. Then I will likely die in my home fighting those effin bastards.
If the Right wins which is likely and my guns are safe. I will then begin to put my life back together.
P.S. If Trump calls me to arms I will go anywhere and do anything he asks. Except give up my arms. JMHO
If the Right wins which is likely and my guns are safe. I will then begin to put my life back together.
P.S. If Trump calls me to arms I will go anywhere and do anything he asks. Except give up my arms. JMHO
You assume no one else knows, or can execute from, those play books. Bad assumption.
I'm just gonna eat ice cream and watch porn until all you fucking kooks get done killing each other off.
You pretty much have the same concerns and distance to get home as I do.
I also think a lot about having to move slower, at night and through the odd areas to avoid people who wish to "politely" suggest I trade them my gear for not getting killed as alluded to earlier.
Chocolate or Vanilla? And, while its storming outside you can watch Stormy inside.
Good Plan. Is your Tissue and Lube supply sufficient?
Lots of people know that playbook and have the skills to put it into action. Which is why depending on how things go down, the first week or so is going to be where a lot of dying happens, and it's also why trying to defend a place by yourself is not going to be easy or even pleasant. Marauders will be ever present and a lot of them might be well equipped and have significant military experience as noted above. The stated plans above work well on unprepared folk and those out on their own without help.
There are however other groups with plans to not let their area fall into chaos and lawlessness, have the skills, equipment, dedication and communications to make it happen.
A lot of people have nightvision or thermal. Some people have fun stuff like mgs and belfeds. Few households don't have a hunting rifle that will punch right though your armor while you are trying to steal stuff. And ar15s are selling like crazy. So you might steal some gas. It's probaly going to cost you a lot more than you are planing on
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Yeah, this guy might have convinced me to just KOS anyone looking for gas. Probably get some toilet paper out of the deal, at the very least.
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