Why such a stigma with California gun owners??

[EddieNFL]

Regardless of what you may think of CA, the state has direct influence on your state whether you like it or not.

Absolutely correct. And few non-liberal types like it.

 

[Alpine 338]

Colorado got hit with a flood of Californians back in the 90's. Between them and the flood of New Yorkers and those from Vermont in the 80's, it changed a great place to live into another Liberal shit hole.

And how can California and it's stupid CARB "approved" ideas force it's laws on the other 49 States with gas can nozzles that require someone with three hands to pour fuel into a lawn mower. Try pouring diesel into a fuel tank that's at head level on a Sno-cat with one of those stupid CARP approved fuel cans.

 

[Hairball]

That's the point, CA can force its stupid laws on other states because its all a political game and CA has the most players.

 

[rideHPD]

While the OP didn't mention it I think a lot of this has to do with the attitude towards those in CA, more so than the actions, especially as this thread has framed. It's completely understandable when a dealer says no thank you on a transaction to CA simply because they don't want to have any potential backlash. I'd bet money that no one knows all of CA's gun related laws, and if it's extra work they don't need they are free to pass on the sale. But if you feel the need to place blanket assumptions on someone because of where they live, or whatever BS profiling, and then make ill comments or outright attack them, you're an A-hole. Just because they can move doesn't mean that they should, or even want to. Guns are not the most important things in most peoples lives. And while CA gets a lot of other things wrong as well, it doesn't mean that the pros of living here outweigh the cons for every single person. The parameters differ on an individual basis.

On the flip side, there are plenty of dealers who will ship to CA, so do business with them. Some people are just A-holes, let them be. Bad CS is bad business, support the good guys and they'll continue their practices while the others flop.

CA firearm sales are skyrocketing, and not just from sales to current owners, but to mostly new owners. Hell, all you have to do is go to a range here to see the growth. What used to be mildly populated on the weekends is now filled up, and new ranges, stores, classes, etc. keep opening. CGF is getting stronger, as evidenced by the recent legal action. In due time things may change for the better. I understand the frustration and don't blame those who leave, but I'm not giving up on having my cake and eating it too.

 

[rideHPD]

Whatever happened to splitting the state up?

It should be popping up on the ballot in 2016.

And I would hope for new state constitutions, which in Socal I would hope couldn't care less about NFA items.

 

[Hairball]

No chance, I use to work for the San Diego SO and with that guy at the helm he would ensure what little gun rights you have now would be taken away. Ruby Ridge anyone???

 

[Poly]

On the surface it feels like its about gun laws but as I read these responses it seems to go much deeper than that. If you look at the actions of our Gov you will see that we the People need to unite for our own sake. Fighting like children is going to get us nowhere, fast. Keep your state and I will keep mine, but we can share the wealth and prosperity with each other is all I'm saying. United is in our blood, or at least mine, so when I see fear starting to create separation so easily, I know we are not ready to govern ourselves yet. The time for intelligent decision making is around the corner. I know that there are a lot of people who feel like I do and eventually progressive thinking will be the majority.

 

[Guest]

I understand that the laws out here are ridiculous but we are still a FREE state.

You do understand, don't you, that those two opening remarks are contradictory of each other?

I'll sell to a CA buyer only if I'm not required to do anything more than I am with a buyer from another "Free" state.
I'm not shipping DNA to your FFL, or whatever the fuck it is they require now.

 

[EddieNFL]

and eventually progressive thinking will be the majority.

I think "progressive" thinking is a large part of the problem.

 

[346ci]

Never been and hopefully will never go to that hole.

I have sold a few firearms to some CA guys though, after having them tell me many other dealers would not due to their location, LOL. That would be my first sign to move to a free state..

 

[Toast]

You might as well be on the titanic with it's stern pointing strait up yelling at the people in life rafts that it will be OK. Look at who's flooding into your state and who's leaving.

Uhhhhhh. Excellent point sir. Zactly right.

 

[hlee]

I lived in Cali for 3 year and change. The is A LOT to like. Outside of Alaska, more of the state is federally owned than any other state. There are many state and federal forests, parks, recreation areas, etc for outdoor rec. Those that live in San Diego can be snow skiing in the morning and surfing in the afternoon, or visa versa. I had more shooting ranges within an easy drive of my residence than I did living in Austin, TX (and Houston TX for that matter). While I have not done it, "drive out into the desert and shoot as much as you want" is an activity that those in SoCal can enjoy. Northern California is full of timber and most of it makes for beautiful dark timber hunting. I did have the pleasure to turkey and deer hunt in NorCal for 2 seasons, and they were some of the most memorable and enjoyable hunts of my life. San Francisco is a fun place to visit, but it gets old after about the 3rd time out of town guests have to see the GG bridge. Wine touring through Napa and Sonoma (and the lesser known valleys) can be some of the best times you'll never remember. And, California has some of the finest universities in the country. The weather is beautiful most of the year, but there are not much in the way of seasons. A co-worker of mine was from Poland and complained about the weather every day. Apparently, 75 and sunny was not his idea of Eden.

But. Housing prices are ridiculous. Gas prices are ridiculous. Grocery prices are ridiculous. You get the idea. The public education system (k-12) is a joke. A big, fat, mean, terrible, unfunny joke. The crush of humanity is suffocating in the Bay Area. Most of the time you can't build a fire in your fireplace- if you are lucky enough to have a fireplace- and a fire ring in the back yard- if you are lucky enough to have a back yard- will rust out before it burns out. There is a state income tax that pays the bills in the fat years but leaves the state woefully underfunded when the economy hits a bump. And it really f**ks the state budget if the economy actually tanks. The property tax rate is fixed, and the assessed value for tax purposes is set when a home is purchased- and cannot be increased unless a major renovation is done to the home. As a result, property tax cannot carry the burden when the economy goes south. And you have a bunch of 50-60 year olds living in their 80-90 year old parent's houses because they can pay property tax bases on 1970s values.

If you feel a need to carry a pistol with you everywhere you go, California is not for you. If you need 30 round magazines to kill paper targets at 50 feet then California is not for you. If you want to own a home you would actually live in- on a middle class income- then California is not for you. If you abhor a state income tax then California is not for you. If you want your english speaking kids to learn a foreign language- or your spanish speaking kids to learn english- then California is not for you. Then there is the P word. I won't to into that ban-able subject.

Then again, if you like the great outdoors then California has something to offer. If you are looking for world class higher education then California is worth a look. If you are like cheese (you get better with wine) then you should think about California. If you can hit your target on your first shot and have found that 30 round mags are generally more in the way than they are useful, then you could do worse than California. And, if that 5-6 lbs of pistol/belt/mags/etc that you always wear but have never used is getting a bit heavy to lug around every day, then you probably won't get gang raped if you lived in California either.

The above notwithstanding, I moved out of California when I had the opportunity- but I do miss the weather and the scenery. And, a really miss those wine tours I can't remember.

 

[ArmyJerry]

Lived there 81-83, beautiful free state then, frikken off the wall sht hole now, sorry but I hope you literally fall off into the Pacific,

 

[KYpatriot]

On the surface it feels like its about gun laws but as I read these responses it seems to go much deeper than that. If you look at the actions of our Gov you will see that we the People need to unite for our own sake. Fighting like children is going to get us nowhere, fast. Keep your state and I will keep mine, but we can share the wealth and prosperity with each other is all I'm saying. United is in our blood, or at least mine, so when I see fear starting to create separation so easily, I know we are not ready to govern ourselves yet. The time for intelligent decision making is around the corner. I know that there are a lot of people who feel like I do and eventually progressive thinking will be the majority.

Yes, we agree on one thing, you are clearly not ready to govern me yet.

Keep on with that intelligent, progressive decision making. You can call it fear that is holding us back if you want. Those of us who actually understand such things call it respect for the Constitution. When you get that majority just go ahead and do what you have to do.

 

[HD-Ghost]

Been there, done that.

I love how the majority of people who are down on CA have never even been here to begin with.

Visited an Army buddy there back in '84. The laws sucked then. I can only imagine what it's like now. Beautiful state, but so is upstate NY. Wouldn't live there either. Will I sell to you: is your money green?

 

[Doc68]

I love how the majority of people who are down on CA have never even been here to begin with.

And my life is very happy and content here in Florida. Why would I go to a state where I couldn't take my guns to. No thank you.

 

[Doc68]

President Regan once said "You know, I can't help but notice that all the pro abortion folks have already been born."

Seems to be the same here. The people who bitch and complain the most about California, aren't even in California or do anything to make the situation better. Generally, from what I have seen, they just make it worse.

It's always easy to sit in the cheap seats and make comments. Always has been, always will.

As a non-resident of CA, I can't make YOUR state better. I'm not a resident therefore cannot vote. Apparently if so many people hate the laws that actually live there, why don't YOU vote them out.

 

[VJJPunisher]

Maser is a californian, enough said

 

[thejeep]

Im for the state of jefferson.

 

[MarinePMI]

As a non-resident of CA, I can't make YOUR state better. I'm not a resident therefore cannot vote. Apparently if so many people hate the laws that actually live there, why don't YOU vote them out.

Actually, I do vote to vote them out. Right now, we are out numbered.

Not to worry though, Florida is one of those states heading the same direction unless things change as whole across the country. Just remember, eventually all those liberals in the northeast will retire. Where do you think they're headed when they retire?

Last time I was in Florida, I was in a restaurant and swore I was in Jersey or New York. Every friggin person was in there talking like "they was Guido, asking for sum canoli's".... LOL!

 

[Maser]

What gets me the most is why idiots on Gunbroker sell a "CA approved" AR15, but yet in the description they write "No Sales to CA". Is it a joke or is there really a market for CA approved guns outside of CA?

 

[Downzero]

Some of you, especially California residents, don't seem to have got my point. For me, Illinois will always be home. I attended and graduated from the University of Illinois. I lived there for almost all of my life. And you know what? I'm glad I had the balls to leave. We might have problems here in NM but it's nothing compared to being state #50 out of 50 to pass CCW. I miss the midwest. I'd love to move home some day. Until then, I'm so much happier in a place that is not home, but values my contribution to society and tax dollars, rather than squandering it.

 

[Javelin]

California is bankrupt. Shit they can't afford their pensions let alone infrastructure. I would like to live there but I'm not going to pay in to a fraudulent system and support their crap with my tax dollars. I vote with my wallet.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Regardless of what you may think of CA, the state has direct influence on your state whether you like it or not. CA holds the most seats in the U.S. House by a long shot and CA has almost double the electoral votes of any other state.

Depending upon what stats you review, as many as 30 percent of Californians are gun owners. That equates to some 11.5 million gun owners in this state which is more than the entire populations of most states as only 6 other states have entire state populations that large or larger. Its not that the economy is bad, its just mismanaged by corrupt politicians. You would think that 11.5 million gun owners would be supported outside of the state but that's just not the case.

DING DING DING... We have a winner. A state run by a bunch of elitest liberals who are influencing how I live. Liberals supported by the FSA should have no bearing on how I live. From their lack of water, electricity and their abundance of pollution. 11.5 million gun owners are not putting and end to the crap and complain that you don't get any support. We can stand back and cheer for you but not much else. It's your vote not ours. You want help? Then do something. I give credit to those in DC and Detroit and Chicago. They are using the courts to get some of the stupid controls removed. What do we see from California? When was the last time you wrote a letter or called your state Rep?
I live in that rat hole. Sure you can pull in a good check. But is it really? Not when you get done paying your share for the FSA. Taxes, insurance, gas prices, home prices, etc... I would rather live on less but keep more of it. I loved the beach and other parts of So Cal. Be in the mountains and play in the snow in the morn and on the beach in the afternoon. Actually filled a pickup truck bed full of snow and drove it to the beach and had a snowball fight on the beach once. The bad part of it was sitting in traffic for an hour to go 20 miles to the beach. But I will stay in the mountains of East Tn. hunt and fish and relax without the rat race stress. The part that sucks is having to fight the influence of that hole on my way of life. At least there are still more of us here that are like minded and willing to fight to keep it that way. I call and write my Rep and my Senators often. As do many others that I know. I know how they stand on the issues and that is why they get my vote. We have the same problems as any other state with the FSA. But we have kept our Government accountable to the tax payer not the FSA. So far. Stand up band together and show the rest of the country you are fighting and you may get some to help. Lay down and allow yourself to be a door mat and no one will give a rats behind.

 

[Poly]

I guess we can all spew ignorant comments about every state and then persecute every person in that state as if they are the reason you are angry at life. Truth is that I never said I hated California. There is A LOT to love about California. I own guns that are 100% legal and fun as hell to shoot. Thats why I'm on snipershide in the first place. The original question came when I realized that there was a ton of ignorance when it came to people blaming fellow citizens from the "evil" states. There seemed to be a blanket judgment placed over every person from my state. As if me and every Californian were exactly the same and we ALL agreed on every subject.

 

[Doc68]

Actually, I do vote to vote them out. Right now, we are out numbered.

Not to worry though, Florida is one of those states heading the same direction unless things change as whole across the country. Just remember, eventually all those liberals in the northeast will retire. Where do you think they're headed when they retire?

Last time I was in Florida, I was in a restaurant and swore I was in Jersey or New York. Every friggin person was in there talking like "they was Guido, asking for sum canoli's".... LOL!

Yeah we have some retards here too. But less than the ones with their heads on straight. We will see where I land the next time the army decides to move me.

 

[JMGlasgow]

On the surface it feels like its about gun laws but as I read these responses it seems to go much deeper than that. If you look at the actions of our Gov you will see that we the People need to unite for our own sake. Fighting like children is going to get us nowhere, fast. Keep your state and I will keep mine, but we can share the wealth and prosperity with each other is all I'm saying. United is in our blood, or at least mine, so when I see fear starting to create separation so easily, I know we are not ready to govern ourselves yet. The time for intelligent decision making is around the corner. I know that there are a lot of people who feel like I do and eventually progressive thinking will be the majority.

So now because we don't agree with your "progressive" way of thinking we are not intelligent? I moved away from Colorado because that "progressive" way of thinking is taking over. Marijuana was legalized, so was gay marriage. I don't really care about those being legal. Then the same people that voted for those rights also took my gun rights away. And those progressive thinking politicians thought they know better than their own people, and voted for it without their constituents. What happened to shall not be infringed. You keep thinking you are free with your progressive way of life, I'll move to states where freedom is taken seriously.

 

[pelican]

DING DING DING... We have a winner. A state run by a bunch of elitest liberals who are influencing how I live. Liberals supported by the FSA should have no bearing on how I live. From their lack of water, electricity and their abundance of pollution. 11.5 million gun owners are not putting and end to the crap and complain that you don't get any support. We can stand back and cheer for you but not much else. It's your vote not ours. You want help? Then do something. I give credit to those in DC and Detroit and Chicago. They are using the courts to get some of the stupid controls removed. What do we see from California? When was the last time you wrote a letter or called your state Rep?
I live in that rat hole. Sure you can pull in a good check. But is it really? Not when you get done paying your share for the FSA. Taxes, insurance, gas prices, home prices, etc... I would rather live on less but keep more of it. I loved the beach and other parts of So Cal. Be in the mountains and play in the snow in the morn and on the beach in the afternoon. Actually filled a pickup truck bed full of snow and drove it to the beach and had a snowball fight on the beach once. The bad part of it was sitting in traffic for an hour to go 20 miles to the beach. But I will stay in the mountains of East Tn. hunt and fish and relax without the rat race stress. The part that sucks is having to fight the influence of that hole on my way of life. At least there are still more of us here that are like minded and willing to fight to keep it that way. I call and write my Rep and my Senators often. As do many
others that I know. I know how they stand on the issues and that is why they get my vote. We have the same problems as any other state with the FSA. But we have kept our Government accountable to the tax payer not the FSA. So far. Stand up band together and show the rest of the country you are fighting and you may get some to help. Lay down and allow yourself to be a door mat and no one will give a rats behind.

Well said...^
We do and the web site is called www.calguns.net and fighting ccw violation of our constitution as well. Or else the new shooters wouldn't get to experience ar-15 platforms. Maybe restricted with a reversible bullet button but poster few back pointed ranges are packed and you guys are quick to fire off when you do take our green money to boost your economy. Why people are now putting made in,or designed in CA labels on boxes. On Then spend it at Walmart and support products that ran away my fellow American workers, yes in all of your states. 150k+ year aerospace jobs is why people flock here.
But lack of education is the problem.
Co movie cinema, Sandy hook school tragedy shootings is the problem. Mental health is the problem. I feel for the families of those lost children who could have helped make a change. Lock up your freaking guns.
I'm lucky enough to be educated while in college to acquire the toys so many are crying about having. Ya 30 rds or playing with full auto toys at work is fun, but show me the majority who can afford to feed those toys. Some but not many, others lost their rights or restrictions to own by not voting. We the people...
11.5 billion May not be enough, but banned with Arizona and Texas after Mexico over runs them and us. Who has stricter guns laws than Mexico. Every picture I see has, shows the cartels with more guns and problems then brains. Paid for by your sates drug addicts. Drug test people receiving unemployment and welfare (some men loose their jobs, understood). check on your kids talk to them. Or kidnapping situations in Mexico too close for many around us. I voted with my dollar and will stay here with my sidearm then to go back down there when it was the good old days.
Our uneducated youth, in the so called "dirty south rapper" states kids aspire to sell as many drugs as them. While flaunting them on T shirts. That vote is up to you.
I also believe people all over the U.S. Are living above their means. It's called economic recession, cost of living rising. I will vote with my money and my feet. And will fight when they come to pry my weapons from my cold dead hands. I hope you will fight with me.
Didn't I come on here, to learn about precision shooting which most of you Expert marksmen can truly do looking at 5 shots group photos not 30. I bought a gap 10 from fellow hider Texan American who had shipped that evil rifle from his educated ffl and yes he crossed his t's. Hurting for work or educated. Seller likes his free state I asked how were the jobs out there. Must be good, cause he bought Jp lr7 in 6.5 creed-more simultaneously. Doesn't mean the man with the most toys is the happiest because I played both sides. Pick your balance live within your means.
I'm undecided because It was really hot like 79degrees can't imagine weather else where in august. I don't have to worry about fps fluctuating my powder here in Ca. But I'm so stocked up it will spoil first unfortunately. I do own Ca real-estate 1 mile to beach and went to bed with my beautiful wife. Waking up to do part in this society hopefully you are too. We're all screwed but must ban together.
I reside here till I find my path else where. Or choose with my feet and green backs, just like magpul. It's tuff everywhere. I want out but I'm not sure where else to go.
Today was good day and I appreciate the poster above for reminding me that's why I live, hunt, fish, here. Tuna bite is incredible right now home and on the water. Rain screwed upland season. Not the drought but I'll do my part and fix up the gusslers.
Now do your part. Educate, hold a door open for a lady or elder. Pack your heat if need not because someone told you couldn't. Back to finding that bitchen optics at hide pricing to put on my gap-10 and I'll make sure it's not being sold by a vendor or hide member that doesn't support my fight. I'm still laughing, happier because of all of your good or bad post.
-Pelican

Rip Robin Williams for making most people laugh. Seek help people if needed, it's not just a California thing.
Just my rants....

 

[Yasherka]

I live in San Diego and everyone's criticisms of California are . . . dead on. These dumb liberal a-holes can't help themselves. The ridiculous gun laws here are a shining example of the wealth of stupidity running the state. When California declares bankruptcy, maybe things will get better, but if things go the way they are, things will get even worse. Maybe I'll move to Tijuana.

You shouldn't have to...it seems Tijuana is moving to you.

 

[Yasherka]

I love how the majority of people who are down on CA have never even been here to begin with.

Born there, lived there, worked there, left there and will NEVER go back. Would you like to know the difference between 1964 and 2014 Stockton, or are you satisfied being a small ignorant turd in the truck-stop restroom of life?

 

[pawprint2]

CA (as of 2012) had the largest number and largest percentage of people on welfare, over one third of the people in the U.S. receiving welfare are in CA, yet they only have 12% of the population!! Super-duper, strong economy? Great place to work? What is really bothersome, the rest of the country, through Federal Tax, sends money to CA thus allowing the scum in CA to do nothing but collect our money. Not to mention we [the rest of the country] are racking up ever larger debts to countries like Communist China to keep the money flowing to the largest depository of lazy, multi-generational, leaches on the American economy. CA's economy is so strong, the state has reduced the criminal sentences on huge numbers of criminals-reason: cost to much to keep criminals in prison! I wonder what the cost to the children molested by these "early paroled" scum is, or the people they murder, houses they burglarize ect.? Yes, CA is a real workers paradise! It seems like every year there are wild-fires that destroy X amount of homes etc. in CA, do these geniuses clear brush, cut fire breaks, install water tanks etc.? NO. But they sure suck up on Federal disaster relief money-almost every time! Their "we're super green" bullshit, is just that, if they had to produce all the electric power they consume in CA, starting today,-there would be a lot of lights out by tonight. They [the idiots in CA] do not scream, "We'll only buy power from super clean producers", their stupidity knows no ends. The list can go on and on, but anyone that has paid any attention to the state of our country, can't deny that CA has become a ticking time bomb. The entire piece of shit, will be needing a "bail-out" , sooner rather than later. I just don't see the people in TN sending their tax money to CA, because the fools in CA spend more than they make, have huge numbers on welfare, make ludicrous decisions, and send people like pelosie to Washington, D.C.. The gun laws in CA are just one small facet of the rotting corps. I hope this somewhat answers the question posed by the original poster.

 

[Poly]

No but that was an extraordinary display of misplaced anger towards an entire population. You did prove my point some what. I've never treated anybody from another state like an enemy because of their unemployment rate. Wow. Where is the intelligent conversation with actual facts that matter? For example, I can name 3 guys who I used to work with that are on unemployment right now in my state. All are from other states who came here because they wanted to work here, Florida, Illinois and Colorado. Those are just 3 off the top of my head. I work with people from EVERY state, no joke, who came here to work and live a better life. Many go home to visit but for some reason they decide to come back and plant their roots. So when you hate on Californians, you are actually just treating Americans from all over our country like s*** because of your NARROW focus on life. I am a native Californian , born and raised, and I have watch hordes of people from all over the planet inject themselves into my city and state over the years. More and more every day it seems. I have only known tolerance as I have had no choice but to share my home with MANY foreign "outsiders". The bottom line is that I'm an American who works hard to create things that are enjoyed by people all over our country and even other countries so where is the LOVE?

 

[rpk762]

Lol I do like the comment about 30% owning firearms. Too bad most are progressive or just anti-gun. If all of them were in support of the 2A and would vote they would be unstoppable. Heck even half would give everyone else a run for their money. Especially considering how few citizens actually vote.

 

[decider]

this thread (from the original post to the multiple contributions from multiple states) describes the current rapid decline of American Exceptionalism that defines the primary reason and ultimate justification why we will all be cock-sucking liberals, dead, or move to Australia in the very near future...

My family and I will opt to hold out in the mountains with a generator and all of our mall ninja gear and weapons that we acquired through advise and recommendations here on SH.

 

[ahhshoot]

Actually, I do vote to vote them out. Right now, we are out numbered.

Not to worry though, Florida is one of those states heading the same direction unless things change as whole across the country. Just remember, eventually all those liberals in the northeast will retire. Where do you think they're headed when they retire?

Last time I was in Florida, I was in a restaurant and swore I was in Jersey or New York. Every friggin person was in there talking like "they was Guido, asking for sum canoli's".... LOL!

What part of Florida? I'm in Gainesville and can tell you the only accents around here are Southern. Everything here and North of us might as well still be the bible belt.

 

[JesseSB]

Free state? You can't even buy WD40 there. California has regulated itself into bankruptcy. Every product causes cancer. Etc.

It's bad and maybe getting worse, but hyperbole gets us nowhere....

 

[JMGlasgow]

The why do I have a can of WD40 sitting on my workbench that says "not for sale in California"? Please explain...

 

[JesseSB]

Beats me... I have 3 or 4 cans in the barn and garage that I bought here.

 

[MtnCreek]

Probably had to change some ingredients from the original to make a CA compliant WD40.

 

[MarinePMI]

What part of Florida? I'm in Gainesville and can tell you the only accents around here are Southern. Everything here and North of us might as well still be the bible belt.

Funny. We used to say the same thing here, "Oh, that's just them idiots in the big, built up cities. Whatever, they're not like the rest of us in the state."

Unfortunately, like California, Florida is being populated more densely in the cities than the country (up north). And guess how they tend to vote?

Smh...bash California all you like, the same thing is happening in other states (Colorado, Wyoming, Oregon etc.), and sticking together is the only way to hold it back until common sense can prevail. Right now, the cities hold the voting power, not the rural areas...

 

[ahhshoot]

Funny. We used to say the same thing here, "Oh, that's just them idiots in the big, built up cities. Whatever, they're not like the rest of us in the state."

Unfortunately, like California, Florida is being populated more densely in the cities than the country (up north). And guess how they tend to vote?

Smh...bash California all you like, the same thing is happening in other states (Colorado, Wyoming, Oregon etc.), and sticking together is the only way to hold it back until common sense can prevail. Right now, the cities hold the voting power, not the rural areas...

I won't disagree on that. I don't go South of Ocala. It's a different world. Truth be told most places are shitholes. Went into a Walmart in Kissimmee a few months back, nobody spoke English all the ATM's were broken, everything was dirty and I just felt like I was in a damn slum. Most vote left. My biggest fear is that a new party will develop with the influx of illegals and others like them that will make your run of the mill liberal look like Ted Nugent, and just be completely blatant and 'come out of the closet' so-to-speak about radical socialist views... and think about how many people would hop on that bandwagon.. Not daring to tread on the no politics rule, thought this was at least slightly relevant.

 

[pawprint2]

No but that was an extraordinary display of misplaced anger towards an entire population. You did prove my point some what. I've never treated anybody from another state like an enemy because of their unemployment rate. Wow. Where is the intelligent conversation with actual facts that matter? For example, I can name 3 guys who I used to work with that are on unemployment right now in my state. All are from other states who came here because they wanted to work here, Florida, Illinois and Colorado. Those are just 3 off the top of my head. I work with people from EVERY state, no joke, who came here to work and live a better life. Many go home to visit but for some reason they decide to come back and plant their roots. So when you hate on Californians, you are actually just treating Americans from all over our country like s*** because of your NARROW focus on life. I am a native Californian , born and raised, and I have watch hordes of people from all over the planet inject themselves into my city and state over the years. More and more every day it seems. I have only known tolerance as I have had no choice but to share my home with MANY foreign "outsiders". The bottom line is that I'm an American who works hard to create things that are enjoyed by people all over our country and even other countries so where is the LOVE?

Did you actually read my post? As so many liberals do, between puffs on their crack pipes, you've 'choosen' not to address ANY of my points. In an attempt to obscure the facts, you have added crap such as "Unemployment", which of course, if you had read my original post, would not see mentioned at all. For a guy that, "has only known tolerance", I'd have to reply, Not for Gun Owners. But for sexual perverts, criminals of all kinds, illegal aliens, drug users etc., you bet you are tolerant! Sadly your tolerance is not for real Americans-those that hold dear the Constitution (2nd Adm to be specific), for these type of people, you've shown only scorn and a never ending string of anti-American, anti gun laws. Your earlier posts bragged on the "strong economy of CA" along with a pile of other crap, but when faced with the facts you slide off into "where is the love?", something I'm sure you've heard many times in your home town of SF. Why not act like you have a set, and address specific points, rather than pull a Pelosi-you know the "We've got to pass it, to find out what's in it" liberal CA type crap?

 

[Kogapsp]

So we all know what happened at UCSB killed three students with a knife then shot up Isla Vista in a shooting rampage that claimed other victims. He had 410 rounds do ammo in 41 magazines California compliment 10 rounders. We just had another 4 people killed by someone with a knife. I am starting to hear idiots talk about banning knives because they kill people. All I vpcan do is shake my head. The once great state is going to hell exponentially by political thugs. My family has been in SB since 1907 and I can see the east coast transplants destroying this city and county for many years. Sad...

 

[MarinePMI]

So we all know what happened at UCSB killed three students with a knife then shot up Isla Vista in a shooting rampage that claimed other victims. He had 410 rounds do ammo in 41 magazines California compliment 10 rounders. We just had another 4 people killed by someone with a knife. I am starting to hear idiots talk about banning knives because they kill people. All I vpcan do is shake my head. The once great state is going to hell exponentially by political thugs. My family has been in SB since 1907 and I can see the east coast transplants destroying this city and county for many years. Sad...

Sad, SB was one of those enclaves that tended to be its own safe haven (absolutely gorgeous area). Even that is changing...smh...

 

[Redmanss]

Back to the original question, why do folks not want to sell questionable firearms to California residents, it's because Cali laws are so fucking confusing that we don't want to deal with that shit. I just the other day found out about this sillyness "single shot" crap with unapproved pistols, but apparently that one has been around for a while. I was trying to research how I can gift an AR to my girlfriend's son that's stationed in San Diego. I still don't have it figured out so I think he may get a gift certificate and he can handle the purchase himself.

In this day and age, most gun owners are so nervous of unknowingly breaking the law and losing our Constitutional Rights at the vengeance of a judge/DA with an agenda, we really don't want to risk it for the simple sake of selling a rifle to a stranger. Upstanding Hide member from the "People's Republic" of ________? Sure, I'd make the effort for quite a few members here from MD, CA, CT, IL, etc if they helped point out the laws and procedures to me. But you're new and your combined contribution to the Hide to date has been a WTB thread and this gem. That and you're defending your state's idiocy, so I wouldn't sell to you anyhow if I had an AR to part with. Seller's privilege.

I don't relate an individual's state of residency to how I view them, only how they act.

 

[Remoah]

From an outside perspecive it sounds like the hate isnt directed toward Cali gun owners, but to their situation.

I wouldnt sell you canned beans if it meant i could get in trouble for doing it unknowingly especially with the legal maze that is firearms and US state-specific laws.

 

[spamassassin]

We're all stuck here for one reason or another. We all want out and dream of living in some other place that has all the weather and geography but without any of the associated people/insanity/burdensome regulation/crime/hate/expense. I for one have little option. There aren't a lot of places with the endless job opportunities in my field that we have here. There's a huge out-migration of business and of people. The youngsters are perfectly able to cause and deal with the BS. Those of us who've been there and done that will just continue to leave and this hole will get more and more out of control.

The problem with California is too much democracy. The state is a poster child for the effects of mob rule. The ballot initiative system we have in play here has crippled our elected representatives and given them responsibility without power and compounded that evil by giving power without responsibility to the people.

There's no saving this place. The best we can do is milk it for some moolah and hit the eject button in time that we don't go down with it.

 

[doctordoctor]

The hate is ridiculous seeing us local Californians agree with your disdain for the state and its politics and obviously their stupid gun control. That's the part that is SILLY. we are on the same team! We just happen to be on the frontlines and you are not.

Hate the liberals and the BS but don't hate us. Why not support us? What do you and the gun loving and appreciating community gain from alienating us and distancing yourselves from us. Why not try sticking together and helping us? You have nothing to lose by helping us fight the good fight. As you well know, if it happens here it is surely going to try and makes its way to you! So join hands with us and help us fight back the stupidity and liberals. We could benefit from the support and help.

Ripping on us and refusing to do business with us is cowardly and detrimental to you and the community and the country.

I am tired of the "hate" and people telling me how much it sucks here. Guess what i choose to live here because I love it. I like the weather. I like the people. I love the beach, the mountains, the lakes, rivers and desert. Guess what I have lived in the east... People are nicer here. Taxes are higher and the gun laws more restrictive. I will take it happily. I do not like the cold, humidity or the snow. I don't like smokers and obesity. I like having teeth too. but to each his own. We each have our opinions, so what. It does not good for the cause to dismiss us because we happen to live in Kalifornia

We are very conservative here. Hell we gave you Ronaldus Magnus.

I am calling for love and support. Help us. We are on the front lines, you are not.

rant/vent over.

 

[AMF]

Perhaps it's because of this:

The California Attorney General's Office maintains a database of all gun owners who register a handgun.

or this

"THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES HAS DETERMINED... IT IS SAFEST NOT TO KEEP A GUN IN THE HOME."

 

[EddieNFL]

I am tired of the "hate" and people telling me how much it sucks here. Guess what i choose to live here because I love it. I like the weather. I like the people. I love the beach, the mountains, the lakes, rivers and desert. Guess what I have lived in the east... People are nicer here. Taxes are higher and the gun laws more restrictive. I will take it happily. I do not like the cold, humidity or the snow. I don't like smokers and obesity. I like having teeth too. but to each his own. We each have our opinions, so what. It does not good for the cause to dismiss us because we happen to live in Kalifornia

So...you willingly accept the lack of liberties, but you still want to bitch about it.