It's not every day that a 10/22 outshoots a 40X albeit a bit more wind was blowing when I shot the 40X.
Randy
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Today started with an interesting morning, cool and calm. Somewhere around bull 8, my front rest set handle seized up. I disassembled it and retapped the 3/8" NC set handle hole on the coarse elevating adjustment. Tried to shoot again but the wind had com up plus the 3/4" elevating screw stopped working. Disassembled it again and noticed the 3/4" NC threads on the elevating rod were all boogered up. Alas, I don't own a 3/4" NC die but Amazon should have one here tomorrow. Anyway, switched to my older Bald Eagle rest and continued to shoot the target but the winds were gusting over 15MPH causing me spend more time trying to find a time in between gusts than shooting.
I'm somewhat exasperated with this rest and thinking of upgrading. I think I'd like something on the order of the SINCLAIR BENCHREST COMPETITION SHOOTING REST but they're out of stock and cost too much regardless. Anyone have a recommendation. I own Caldwell Rock BR rest as well as a couple of models of the Bald Eagle rests but was looking for something a bit better for 22 completion. My PQP Lite one piece rest won't really work with my Martini action 22's.
Match-Grade Match
195/04X - Martini- BSA International Mark III/SK Flat Nose Match on 09/27/23
I'm somewhat exasperated with this rest and thinking of upgrading. I think I'd like something on the order of the SINCLAIR BENCHREST COMPETITION SHOOTING REST but they're out of stock and cost too much regardless. Anyone have a recommendation. I own Caldwell Rock BR rest as well as a couple of models of the Bald Eagle rests but was looking for something a bit better for 22 completion. My PQP Lite one piece rest won't really work with my Martini action 22's.
Match-Grade Match
195/04X - Martini- BSA International Mark III/SK Flat Nose Match on 09/27/23
Randy, I've had the PQP lite and the Caldwell, but the best rest I have seen is the Sinclair (if you need a two-piece rest). It's a bit pricey, as you mentioned. Another option might be a change of pace for you. If you check the PQP website, they have the Holeshot Arms rear rest with windage and elevation that might work for you (in left and right configurations)Today started with an interesting morning, cool and calm. Somewhere around bull 8, my front rest set handle seized up. I disassembled it and retapped the 3/8" NC set handle hole on the coarse elevating adjustment. Tried to shoot again but the wind had com up plus the 3/4" elevating screw stopped working. Disassembled it again and noticed the 3/4" NC threads on the elevating rod were all boogered up. Alas, I don't own a 3/4" NC die but Amazon should have one here tomorrow. Anyway, switched to my older Bald Eagle rest and continued to shoot the target but the winds were gusting over 15MPH causing me spend more time trying to find a time in between gusts than shooting.
I'm somewhat exasperated with this rest and thinking of upgrading. I think I'd like something on the order of the SINCLAIR BENCHREST COMPETITION SHOOTING REST but they're out of stock and cost too much regardless. Anyone have a recommendation. I own Caldwell Rock BR rest as well as a couple of models of the Bald Eagle rests but was looking for something a bit better for 22 completion. My PQP Lite one piece rest won't really work with my Martini action 22's.
Match-Grade Match
195/04X - Martini- BSA International Mark III/SK Flat Nose Match on 09/27/23
Rear Mechanical Rest 2.0 by PQP - Precision Quest Products
2.0 Rear Mechanical Rest Now Anodized Hard Black to keep from easily scratching the aluminum. Now 1.2" Rear Dog Bone to allow larger stocks. Previously was 1.0" Aluminum Rear Rest Angled Delrin Contact with Stock to accommodate Various sizes of stocks 3 Locking Leveling Legs for Coarse Elevation...
precisionqp.com
If you use it in conjunction with a front Caldwell tack driver bag, that might do the trick, and certainly does not cost nearly as much as the Sinclair.
Tack Driver® Bag
www.caldwellshooting.com
Here's another option for the front...
Natchez
www.natchezss.com
Food for thought...
Larry
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Randy, I have your score posted.Today started with an interesting morning, cool and calm. Somewhere around bull 8, my front rest set handle seized up. I disassembled it and retapped the 3/8" NC set handle hole on the coarse elevating adjustment. Tried to shoot again but the wind had com up plus the 3/4" elevating screw stopped working. Disassembled it again and noticed the 3/4" NC threads on the elevating rod were all boogered up. Alas, I don't own a 3/4" NC die but Amazon should have one here tomorrow. Anyway, switched to my older Bald Eagle rest and continued to shoot the target but the winds were gusting over 15MPH causing me spend more time trying to find a time in between gusts than shooting.
I'm somewhat exasperated with this rest and thinking of upgrading. I think I'd like something on the order of the SINCLAIR BENCHREST COMPETITION SHOOTING REST but they're out of stock and cost too much regardless. Anyone have a recommendation. I own Caldwell Rock BR rest as well as a couple of models of the Bald Eagle rests but was looking for something a bit better for 22 completion. My PQP Lite one piece rest won't really work with my Martini action 22's.
Match-Grade Match
195/04X - Martini- BSA International Mark III/SK Flat Nose Match on 09/27/23
Larry
Ok finally got out today for a little bit today to practice offhand shooting for a PRS event this weekend. I also got to shoot the Vudoo a bit too, but it was a tricky wind and still struggling with big spreads in velocity in the Vudoo. Oddly, even with a 44 fps spread - I was able to snag an aggregate average of .XXX" in the Vudoo 360. The low spread ammo just doesn't group as well at 50 anyway.
Shot: Sept 27 / 2023
Gun: Vudoo 360
50 yards
Ammo: SK Std Plus
6X5 Average .221"
Best group .125"
Shot: Sept 27 / 2023
Gun: Vudoo 360
50 yards
Ammo: SK Std Plus
6X5 Average .221"
Best group .125"
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PQ, I posted your improved group ave. score, but your best group is not better than you're prior entry with the Vudoo. Good shooting!
Larry
Larry,Randy, I've had the PQP lite and the Caldwell, but the best rest I have seen is the Sinclair (if you need a two-piece rest). It's a bit pricey, as you mentioned. Another option might be a change of pace for you. If you check the PQP website, they have the Holeshot Arms rear rest with windage and elevation that might work for you (in left and right configurations)
Rear Mechanical Rest 2.0 by PQP - Precision Quest Products
2.0 Rear Mechanical Rest Now Anodized Hard Black to keep from easily scratching the aluminum. Now 1.2" Rear Dog Bone to allow larger stocks. Previously was 1.0" Aluminum Rear Rest Angled Delrin Contact with Stock to accommodate Various sizes of stocks 3 Locking Leveling Legs for Coarse Elevation...
If you use it in conjunction with a front Caldwell tack driver bag, that might do the trick, and certainly does not cost nearly as much as the Sinclair.
Tack Driver® Bag
Here's another option for the front...
Natchez
Food for thought...
Larry
Thanks for the suggestions. I have shot quite a lot with the ABRA rear mechanical rest which is similar to the Holeshot rear rest and I don't dislike it at all. I do enjoy my PQP Lite but there isn't enough elevation for the large finger level from my BSA Internationals and M1215 to coexist well. The other issue with the PQP Lite and Rear Mechanical Rest is the imperfect fit of the buttstocks the "V" groove in the delrin support. Wish PQP would offer options.
I modified one of my Caldwell rock BR rests to take Edgewood custom bag https://edgebag.com/collections/front-bags/products/the-edge-front-bag and while it looks hideous it works very well for my CZ457 Varmint. Caldwell BR is certainly not a competition ready rest but if they ever go on sale again for $100 shipped I might buy another one to modify. Given that my birthday is in December, perhaps Santa might we persuaded to gift me with a real solid rest (provided they go back in stock at Sinclair. For the time being, I'll probably shoot my Martini Internationals on my Bald Eagle Front Rest (bought on clearance) which I've modified to remove some but not all of the slop out of the windage adjustment. https://www.grizzly.com/products/bald-eagle-rest-slingshot-aluminum/be1005
Still don't love it but it's usable
Randy
Shot my Mark II International on my backup front rest, a Bald Eagle Windage Triangle rest. One session was enough to remember why I stopped using it - too much slop between the post and set. Regardless, I'll probably try something different next month. Had that talk with Santa Claus last night about a new Sinclair Competition rest for Christmas+birthday and it didn't get much past the cost stage.
Match-Grade Match
181/05X - Martini- BSA International Mark II/Eley Match on 09/28/23
Match-Grade Match
181/05X - Martini- BSA International Mark II/Eley Match on 09/28/23
Randy, this sounds a bit crazy, but could you use a Protecktor bag for the front and your ABRA rear rest to better fit the rifles? Something like that to get you through? You can always place a few boards under the bag in front to make a course elevation adjustment, then use the mechanical rear rest to get you on the bulls?
Or maybe better, use your Caldwell/Bald Eagle for the front only to hold the rifles and use the ABRA rear rest to control elevation and windage adjustments? Would that maybe be a better option?
Just some thoughts...
Randy, I have your score posted.Shot my Mark II International on my backup front rest, a Bald Eagle Windage Triangle rest. One session was enough to remember why I stopped using it - too much slop between the post and set. Regardless, I'll probably try something different next month. Had that talk with Santa Claus last night about a new Sinclair Competition rest for Christmas+birthday and it didn't get much past the cost stage.
Match-Grade Match
181/05X - Martini- BSA International Mark II/Eley Match on 09/28/23
Randy, note the comment on the PQP Rear Mechanical rest. They increased the size of the dog bone from 1.0 inches to 1.2 inches. Not sure if that's enough to help, but maybe?
FYI only.
Larry,
I have shot my factory rifles using the Bald Eagle front with the ABRA mechanical rest nut not the Martini International. It's something to try next month along with the 3 lobed bag on the Caldwell Rock BR rest (which I dislike) as I imagine I'm done for September. If that's inadequate I have a cheap bag that I could use for a front rest with the mechanical rear. Between pain/exhaustion I decided not to attempt to shoot this morning and tomorrow I have a lunch meeting with our missions committee so I won't be able to shoot unless the dogs roust me out of bed early.
In any event the rethreading die came in yesterday and it worked perfectly to clean up the threads on the 3/4" diameter post that were messed up on the rest that jammed up vertically. I didn't know such a tool as a rethreading die existed until I saw it on sale at Amazon.
Upon reflection, the damage to the threads occurred because the key that goes into the slot on the threaded is missing and the set stop bottoms out against the threads distorting them rather than the bottom of the slot. The windage top that fits on this rest is one I bought used and I don't recall whether I got a key that fits into the slot with it. I don't think so but I'm old as well as forgetful. Or perhaps I bought the post separately and didn't realize it required a key in the slot. Who knows? This deficiently needs to be corrected or elevation will just jam up again.
Regardless, future damage to the threads could be addressed by making a new set stop out of a 3/8" bolt with a longer reduced section so that the set bottoms out on the bottom of the slot. This would have to accomplished on a bench grinder by hand as I don't own a metal lathe. Alternatively, I could make a key that fits into the slot that either floats or is epoxied in place out of brass, stainless steel, hardened aluminum or even something like 12L15 steel. While I don't have the right sized material on hand to make a key nor are my local hardware stores likely to have anything that would work, I ordered some metal from Amazon and will attempt making a key for the slot because this repair is more robust and takes less time than making a new set stop. At the least it's a chance to recall my half forgotten skills as a metallurgist or my knowledge of adhesives gained from managing material and processes engineering in the job from which I retired.
thanks for the suggestions,
Randy
I doubt the 1.2" dogbone would fit my ABRA rest. It kinda makes me want to sell the ABRA rest and upgrade tot he PQP (which wasn't available when I got the ABRA rear mechanical press).
Randy
Good shooting....Looks like it came together for you!!
Mr. Larry,
Here is my entry for October. A buddy of mine gave me a box of this ammo to try. I had 25 rds. left after shooting part of a PSL target so I decided to give the challenge a go with it.
Thank you Sir!!
Here is my entry for October. A buddy of mine gave me a box of this ammo to try. I had 25 rds. left after shooting part of a PSL target so I decided to give the challenge a go with it.
Thank you Sir!!
Thank you Sir!!
Almost blew it on bull #8, wind was a wild ride. We knew it was going to be interesting and were practicing our wind game.
Larry, good morning. The updated rules for the Factory Match didn't come through. Do you mind reposting the match rules?
Best,
John
John, sorry for my delay. The revised rules are now attached. Please take a look and let me know if you have any questions?
Larry
Larry
Thank you, Larry. I’ve reviewed the doc and I’m still good to go.
For anyone shooting a Factory CZ rifle, I just saw a review of a new trigger that might interest you. 3-6oz by Jard. Check out the review by Josh (he's a very good reviewer of everything .22LR. Check out his other videos).
FYI only.
Larry
FYI only.
Larry
This morning was an opportunity to try out my repaired front rest (R.W. Hart cast steel/iron base with Cowan windage top) despite the wind blowing harder than I'd like. The repairs consisted of re-tapping the threads for the fine elevation adjustment, re-threading the 3/4" elevation post, and adding a section of brass key stock (thanks to eBay and Grainger) for the set screw to bottom out against temporarily bonded into place in the groove machined into the elevating post with tape and RTV. Everything worked pretty well except there is rather more slop in the elevating post than I'm happy with. In any event the set screw ties it down very solidly even though it moves about 3/4" at 50 yards when tightening the set screw.
All I'm going to say about the conditions is that if the wind blows over one of my wind flags (breaking it's little plastic propeller I might add!), it's too windy for me to shoot. Despite the wind I managed my best ever score (near as I can remember) with one of my Martini's mostly trying to shoot in between the stronger gusts.
Match-Grade Match
200/08X - Martini- BSA International Mark III/SK Flat Nose Match on 10/03/23
All I'm going to say about the conditions is that if the wind blows over one of my wind flags (breaking it's little plastic propeller I might add!), it's too windy for me to shoot. Despite the wind I managed my best ever score (near as I can remember) with one of my Martini's mostly trying to shoot in between the stronger gusts.
Match-Grade Match
200/08X - Martini- BSA International Mark III/SK Flat Nose Match on 10/03/23
Randy, my friend just purchased a CZ457MTR, and he ordered one soon after I sent him the video...
Well, let's hope for more windy days! Well done in windy conditions!This morning was an opportunity to try out my repaired front rest (R.W. Hart cast steel/iron base with Cowan windage top) despite the wind blowing harder than I'd like. The repairs consisted of re-tapping the threads for the fine elevation adjustment, re-threading the 3/4" elevation post, and adding a section of brass key stock (thanks to eBay and Grainger) for the set screw to bottom out against temporarily bonded into place in the groove machined into the elevating post with tape and RTV. Everything worked pretty well except there is rather more slop in the elevating post than I'm happy with. In any event the set screw ties it down very solidly even though it moves about 3/4" at 50 yards when tightening the set screw.
All I'm going to say about the conditions is that if the wind blows over one of my wind flags (breaking it's little plastic propeller I might add!), it's too windy for me to shoot. Despite the wind I managed my best ever score (near as I can remember) with one of my Martini's mostly trying to shoot in between the stronger gusts.
Match-Grade Match
200/08X - Martini- BSA International Mark III/SK Flat Nose Match on 10/03/23
I have your score posted.
Larry
Larry,
I never wish for more wind. The nice score was largely fortuitous as I had several bullet holes barely touching the 10 ring.
Randy
I never wish for more wind. The nice score was largely fortuitous as I had several bullet holes barely touching the 10 ring.
Randy
Mr Larry,
Here is my October entry for,
JBell 6x5, 50yds
Vudoo V22S, Norma Tac-22
6 group Av.- .297"
Smallest group- .212"
Thanks!!!
Here is my October entry for,
JBell 6x5, 50yds
Vudoo V22S, Norma Tac-22
6 group Av.- .297"
Smallest group- .212"
Thanks!!!
Well done with a lower quality ammo. Hmm..maybe there is a seperate challenge offered up here?
Hey!!! Easy with the name calling....if that cheap ammo hears that it may not shoot as well next time!!! LOL!!! Had a good run going till the wind busted me up on one group.
I'd be in for another challenge......maybe have an ammo price limit?? Cheap Ammo Match??
Have to love a rifle that shoots cheap ammo.
Randy
Randy
Yup, I'm in. I will shoot the norma tac outta my Vudoo, Kidd and Deuce; hopefully next week as I am back to work the following week and there won't be much time to shoot after that.
Awesome!!! Can't wait to see the results. Might have to put that Kidd on a BANNED List.......that thing has shot some scary tight groups already!!! LOL!!!
Well....I do have a few bricks of CCI Standard Velocity.
Like the Norma Tac-22....I swore I'd never shoot it through my Vudoo. Buddy of mine wouldn't let it go so I broke down and shot the Tac-22..... just so he'd get off my arse!!
It's just a fluke. I mostly close my eyes when I shoot.
Today was the battle of my aperture sight rifles - Anschutz 54 Match vrs Martini rook rifle. The clear winner was the Martini although I didn't shoot real well, I've shot the Martini quite a bit more than the Annie, and the SK is probably a bit better ammo than the Aguila. On the other hand I ran short of toner while printing out the targets to shoot the Martini.
Iron Sight 50 yards
183/2X - Martini- Anschutz 1411/Aguila Golden Eagle Match Pistol on 10/10/23
192/3x - Martini- BSA Martini Model 8/SK Standard + on 10/10/23
Iron Sight 50 yards
183/2X - Martini- Anschutz 1411/Aguila Golden Eagle Match Pistol on 10/10/23
192/3x - Martini- BSA Martini Model 8/SK Standard + on 10/10/23
Randy, I have your scores posted. Well done. I would be hard pressed to just be in the black with iron sights!Today was the battle of my aperture sight rifles - Anschutz 54 Match vrs Martini rook rifle. The clear winner was the Martini although I didn't shoot real well, I've shot the Martini quite a bit more than the Annie, and the SK is probably a bit better ammo than the Aguila. On the other hand I ran short of toner while printing out the targets to shoot the Martini.
Iron Sight 50 yards
183/2X - Martini- Anschutz 1411/Aguila Golden Eagle Match Pistol on 10/10/23
192/3x - Martini- BSA Martini Model 8/SK Standard + on 10/10/23
Larry
Larry,
Usually what happens is I shoot 2 or 3 good bulls and then loose it on the second target. Not sure whether it's eyestrain or concentration. After shooting yesterday, I installed a variable rear aperture on my Annie and will consider whether I need a smaller diameter hole on the front aperture insert. Unfortunately, the forecast is for wind the next few days so I won't have an opportunity to experiment. Even though the light barreled Martini is truly a rifle designed for carrying around, I've shot it so much that I have good confidence putting holes on target plus the trigger is not too horrible for a BSA Martini.
Randy
Usually what happens is I shoot 2 or 3 good bulls and then loose it on the second target. Not sure whether it's eyestrain or concentration. After shooting yesterday, I installed a variable rear aperture on my Annie and will consider whether I need a smaller diameter hole on the front aperture insert. Unfortunately, the forecast is for wind the next few days so I won't have an opportunity to experiment. Even though the light barreled Martini is truly a rifle designed for carrying around, I've shot it so much that I have good confidence putting holes on target plus the trigger is not too horrible for a BSA Martini.
Randy
Mr. Larry,
I have a little twist on this JBell 6x5 100yd entry. I shot it with two different ammos and at 102 yds. If it doesn't make for an official entry, I understand....I'll leave that up to you. Thanks!!
JBell 6x5 100yds. 10-13-2023
Vudoo V22S SK Semi-Auto 3 groups......Lapua Long Range 3 groups
6 groups Av.= .614"
Smallest group = .396" Lapua Long Range
A couple pics to show some of the many wind directions of the day. Target on the right is at 50 yds. and middle target to the left is at 102 yds.
I set up this way so I could switch back and forth between the two targets without having to move. It worked out pretty good.
I have a little twist on this JBell 6x5 100yd entry. I shot it with two different ammos and at 102 yds. If it doesn't make for an official entry, I understand....I'll leave that up to you. Thanks!!
JBell 6x5 100yds. 10-13-2023
Vudoo V22S SK Semi-Auto 3 groups......Lapua Long Range 3 groups
6 groups Av.= .614"
Smallest group = .396" Lapua Long Range
A couple pics to show some of the many wind directions of the day. Target on the right is at 50 yds. and middle target to the left is at 102 yds.
I set up this way so I could switch back and forth between the two targets without having to move. It worked out pretty good.
Bowchamp, no problem with using multiple ammo lots or brands in the same rifle. I have your scores posted. Nice range setup!
Larry
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My new Bix-n-Andy Competition trigger showed up yesterday, got it put in and had to give it a try. Went to the range today and gave it a go. I really like this trigger and recommend it to anyone in need of a good one. I have been using my Jewell Benchrest trigger for about 6 months and the Bix n Andy is all around just a little better. The crisp break really sets them apart.
Anyway...enough rambling....here is my second entry for the JBell 6x5. Still shooting the cheap ammo!! LOL!!!
JBell 6x5, 10-15-23, 50yds
Vudoo V22S, SK Standard Plus
6 group Av.- .262"
Smallest group- .157"
Anyway...enough rambling....here is my second entry for the JBell 6x5. Still shooting the cheap ammo!! LOL!!!
JBell 6x5, 10-15-23, 50yds
Vudoo V22S, SK Standard Plus
6 group Av.- .262"
Smallest group- .157"
Bowchamp, I have your updated scores posted. Nice work, and I also use B&A triggers. Very nice indeed!
