Winchester M70
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Im thinking @rth1800 has a "study" full of trophies where he often "lounges" in "smoking jacket" puffing in a dignified manner upon a pipe with a full bowl of tobacco.
He also sports a David Niven moustache and expounds upon his life of danger and adventure.......
when not buying and selling cool stuff.
I would of guessed some sort of magnum double and you had to resort to your Howdah pistol after the beast refusing to go down despite two well placed shots ate your gun bearer.
This is hilarious. I do have a cool room though.
Id like to sit down and share some bourbon with you sometime... It sounds like you have some great hunts to talk about!
I thought I read recently where the Model 70s are made in Portugal. ????All over the map is right. Chilean 1895's for $500 in one store and $300 in another. Both have sat there for six years. All while a 1912 went for $350. Butchered, non-collectible Mausers all running in the $500 range...and sitting there for years. But, then again, maybe that's why Bass Pro bought 'em.
As to the model 70, unless it's in very collectible condition, do what you want with it. They are making more of these daily down in NC. And, it's not like you can't find a controlled round feed rifle. Forty years from now someone will call my advice stupid. Like someone drilling and tapping my first year production Savage 1899 .250-3000 for a Packmayr side-mount tip-off scope...in the 1940's.
I know a lot of these older rifles were pretty cool back in their day, but not everyone wants to keep them the way the company that built them did.
And, when you get it, pad that young lady up and take her shooting with it.
I found that out recently as well. I was like WTH?...They spent all that money making machines to make them almost automated, then move production offshore.
Agree WTH? & not trying to hijack thread- & if I got this right, Winchester, FN and Browning are all owned by the same group. And FN's a Euro firearms made company are made in the US! I recently bought an FN action which is based on the pre-64 and it is marked that is is made here. Oh,btw the Win XPR shotgun is made in Turkey. At least the short 18"bbl one I own was.
Apology to OP for the off topic posts.
Apology to OP for the off topic posts.
Re-read my second favorite thread on the hide ... amazing story ... with history, parts sourcing, gunsmithing ... shooting ... trouble-shooting (!) ... all woven together !!
And I can attest to this ^^
Re-read my second favorite thread on the hide ... amazing story ... with history, parts sourcing, gunsmithing ... shooting ... trouble-shooting (!) ... all woven together !!
And I can attest to this ^^
Its back at the builder right now.
He is re-barreling it with another Douglas.
He agrees something is not right with it and he will put a new barrel on to make the customer happy.
I have been told Im crazy to go back to the same builder but why shouldnt he get the chance when he is responding and wants to make it right.
Ill be back.
Sent an email two/three weeks ago to wish builder well as he is in Seattle area close to the CV10 hoax hotspot and he was doing well. Measures in the area were delaying his metal finishing work.
Was just thinking on this, this morning while soaping my junk in the shower, what a saga.....this is what a three year story?
Off to draft an email and see if I can get an update.
Sent an email two/three weeks ago to wish builder well as he is in Seattle area close to the CV10 hoax hotspot and he was doing well. Measures in the area were delaying his metal finishing work.
Was just thinking on this, this morning while soaping my junk in the shower, what a saga.....this is what a three year story?
Off to draft an email and see if I can get an update.
Have him box the dang thing up and send it back... time to have a competent gunsmith get this rifle completed! Mark would probably have it back to you in a week!
DW
Giving the builder his due and hoping to ensure what I spent my money for is provided.
Comms have been good and as expected CV-19 is cock blocking my Mod 70....
Yes, we’re all healthy, but are smack in the middle of the worst counties here in WA. By order of our brilliant governor, we cannot open the shop. I have 3 employees who have not worked in nearly 2 months and other than filling a few online orders we are pretty much at a standstill. Because we are not an “essential” business, we cannot do any manufacturing (i.e. run the machine shop). It would not make me so angry, except the governor managed to deem liquor and marijuana stores as essential (I guess because they create tax revenue), so they are all still open. The rules are changing on May 4, and we’ll be able to get somewhat back to work then. I am not sure all my employees will be able to come back, but at least our machine shop will be open again.
Never would have guessed three years ago this is where we would be.
My reply and my thoughts on CV19.
Despite the Feds declaring firearms/ammunition industry essential our Governor has done similar to yours - cant even access the range here.
Im observing things here.
Im observing massive hospital ships mobbing/demobbing with little to no use.
Im observing two huge temp hospitals built from massive convention centers here being unused.
Im observing a temp morgue set up for "overflow" but so far has only served to scare people, the person running it stating "We will need to bring some bodies here to justify this" not caring for the stress it causes a family or the disrespect for the deceased.
I am observing deaths - deaths generally associated to other morbidities not CV19 alone - not 100 percent of the cases but many cases.
Im sad for those that have been personally effected but my sympathies are with 22 million people whose lives have been on a trajectory not of their choosing and has likely altered their course for the worse.
The remedy has been worse than the affliction.
I really fear this idea that our lives "will be forever changed" going forward. Sports without fans, restaurants at half capacity, social distancing at the beach - that is not America or Freedom. Anyone that questions what life under a socialist/oppressive government is like.....we are living it. Its gray, humorless and depressing.
Stay healthy, let me know when you get it rolling again. Looking to celebrate a return to life with some Pre 64 Win.
Comms have been good and as expected CV-19 is cock blocking my Mod 70....
Yes, we’re all healthy, but are smack in the middle of the worst counties here in WA. By order of our brilliant governor, we cannot open the shop. I have 3 employees who have not worked in nearly 2 months and other than filling a few online orders we are pretty much at a standstill. Because we are not an “essential” business, we cannot do any manufacturing (i.e. run the machine shop). It would not make me so angry, except the governor managed to deem liquor and marijuana stores as essential (I guess because they create tax revenue), so they are all still open. The rules are changing on May 4, and we’ll be able to get somewhat back to work then. I am not sure all my employees will be able to come back, but at least our machine shop will be open again.
Never would have guessed three years ago this is where we would be.
My reply and my thoughts on CV19.
Despite the Feds declaring firearms/ammunition industry essential our Governor has done similar to yours - cant even access the range here.
Im observing things here.
Im observing massive hospital ships mobbing/demobbing with little to no use.
Im observing two huge temp hospitals built from massive convention centers here being unused.
Im observing a temp morgue set up for "overflow" but so far has only served to scare people, the person running it stating "We will need to bring some bodies here to justify this" not caring for the stress it causes a family or the disrespect for the deceased.
I am observing deaths - deaths generally associated to other morbidities not CV19 alone - not 100 percent of the cases but many cases.
Im sad for those that have been personally effected but my sympathies are with 22 million people whose lives have been on a trajectory not of their choosing and has likely altered their course for the worse.
The remedy has been worse than the affliction.
I really fear this idea that our lives "will be forever changed" going forward. Sports without fans, restaurants at half capacity, social distancing at the beach - that is not America or Freedom. Anyone that questions what life under a socialist/oppressive government is like.....we are living it. Its gray, humorless and depressing.
Stay healthy, let me know when you get it rolling again. Looking to celebrate a return to life with some Pre 64 Win.
Email today from builder....
Good news. We get the machine shop back up and running next week.
Good news. We get the machine shop back up and running next week.
Latest update.......
"Machine work is done. Your barrel will go into the bluing tanks next week."
Soon, soon.......
"Machine work is done. Your barrel will go into the bluing tanks next week."
Soon, soon.......
The joys and rewards of a custom rifle project. Guy was having a pair of custom high grade shotguns engraved years ago. Project lasted many years. Many price increases, etc. All the BS.
The capper was he received a call about 02:00 on a Sunday morning. Guy told him the price on the engraving had gone up 10,000. Money to be wired to some remote county jail in Wyoming IIRC. It was his bail.
The capper was he received a call about 02:00 on a Sunday morning. Guy told him the price on the engraving had gone up 10,000. Money to be wired to some remote county jail in Wyoming IIRC. It was his bail.
That's where a guy might never make it out of prison...Rawlins would be a good place for that guy.The joys and rewards of a custom rifle project. Guy was having a pair of custom high grade shotguns engraved years ago. Project lasted many years. Many price increases, etc. All the BS.
The capper was he received a call about 02:00 on a Sunday morning. Guy told him the price on the engraving had gone up 10,000. Money to be wired to some remote county jail in Wyoming IIRC. It was his bail.
Damn, I’m thinking I’ll just send mine to Douglas! Honestly though, I’m glad it’s starting to get some progress.
If it has the original stock it will be cracked at the interwebbing in front of the trigger. If your's isn't cracked just look closer LOL. Every single pre-64 70 I've inspected has been cracked there. Like the old LC Smith shotguns the designers had a very high opinion of the strength of black walnut wood that didn't match reality. A cross bolt through the stock is the only solution that I know of.
It appears that barrel and receiver are again one......
They still have it.
Supposed to be test fired soon.
I was having problems with extraction using very good match ammo - such the type you would expect to use in this rifle.
Federal hunting ammo chambered/extracted fine but my reloads and match ammo - not so much
I sent along with the rifle - my reloads 168 SMK that fires in every other 30-06 I own, Fed 168 FGMM, Creedmoor Lapua 167 Scenar, and SIG Sauer 175 SMK match.......
If it feeds. fires, extracts and the last 1/4 inch of the barrel actually has lands and grooves it will be heaven.
It made their facebook page a couple times......
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He is putting his reputation on the line.
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He is putting his reputation on the line.
We had your rebarreled sniper is in the test cell and it ran like silk with Sig match ammo. We’ll try the other brands and run the Lapua match ammo through it before we declare victory, but so far so good.
Getting there....
Phil,
We have tried each of the loads you sent with no issues. We fired all Sig and Lapua match rounds and at that point decided we may just be wasting ammo. We fired 2 each of your hand loads and the Federal match rounds. The rifle ran like silk with no feed or extraction issues using any of the loads. We de-fouled and borescoped every 3 rounds just to keep an eye on things. The bore did pick up a very light amount of copper in the first 3 shots which we hit with a copper solvent and removed. Each subsequent set picked up a trace of new copper, but each time less than the time before We have 14 rounds through the bore now and it is beginning to season. If you keep up with the cleaning for another 20 rounds or so, I think the barrel will break in just fine and you won’t see further fouling.
We did not take the rifle to the range and did all the test firing in our test cell, so I cannot comment on accuracy, but I anticipate this barrel will be better than the last. Not only is the machine work on this barrel exceptionally good, but the crown is pristine, as opposed to the weird defect inside the muzzle of the last barrel.
You will get a shipping notice when the rifle ships and I hope you will send us a range report when you get it out for the first time.
Thanks for being patient with us and I am truly sorry this rifle was in our shop over the past 18 months rather than in your hands.
Justin
Phil,
We have tried each of the loads you sent with no issues. We fired all Sig and Lapua match rounds and at that point decided we may just be wasting ammo. We fired 2 each of your hand loads and the Federal match rounds. The rifle ran like silk with no feed or extraction issues using any of the loads. We de-fouled and borescoped every 3 rounds just to keep an eye on things. The bore did pick up a very light amount of copper in the first 3 shots which we hit with a copper solvent and removed. Each subsequent set picked up a trace of new copper, but each time less than the time before We have 14 rounds through the bore now and it is beginning to season. If you keep up with the cleaning for another 20 rounds or so, I think the barrel will break in just fine and you won’t see further fouling.
We did not take the rifle to the range and did all the test firing in our test cell, so I cannot comment on accuracy, but I anticipate this barrel will be better than the last. Not only is the machine work on this barrel exceptionally good, but the crown is pristine, as opposed to the weird defect inside the muzzle of the last barrel.
You will get a shipping notice when the rifle ships and I hope you will send us a range report when you get it out for the first time.
Thanks for being patient with us and I am truly sorry this rifle was in our shop over the past 18 months rather than in your hands.
Justin
I love the fact it's in .257 Roberts. A great cartridge that gunwriters have attempted to push to the past forever. Someday, we'll see mainstream tight twisted .257 barrels and can launch much heavier for caliber projectiles.It made their facebook page a couple times......
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He is putting his reputation on the line.
Hell yea!
A 30-degree .257 Imp. on a FN Commercial action, curly maple stock, ~8.5 lb or so total... I will own said rifle eventually and it will be the main white tail/hog rifle...
Damn tomorrow and Saturday are days off and its being delivered to work....
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U just teasin...
Only right it arrives on my day off and I wont be back to work until Sunday.
Was it all 'finger fucked' by the time you got to see it? Nothing like your rifle losing it's virginity to all your friends and co-workers...
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I remember my US Navy-issued M-14, Match Grade A Small Arms Competition Kit rifle was received by the base armory. I arrived the next day to find 2 of the armory GM2s trying to figure out how to disassemble the double-lugged rifle from the stock so they could "perform the standard PMS on receipt". One severe ass-chewing from me and a quick phone call from their desk to NSWC Crane Code 20 Dept Head and they never touched that rifle (or any other of my SACK rifles or pistols) except to issue from or receive back into the storage locker.
