Rifle Scopes Zero Compromise Optic update

[Conrad]

I really like the green illumination on my NFs, sonInwas happy to see ZCO use it also. It looks good on my ZCO. I’ll see what it looks like in the daylight today.

The 5-27 is my long range/comp scope now, but my NF 4-16 ATACR remains my go to compact hunting scope as I try to cap weight at 30 oz there.

I still like the overall feel of my various ATACRs turrets better but that is subjective. The ZCO is an excellent scope on all fronts and probably the best on many. Disclaimer is I haven’t handled a TT, but most of the others.

 

[MTETM]

Does anyone have a video of the ZCO turrets?

Past 300 yards is the ZCO parallax much like TT and Minox? Set it and forget it?

Initial tesring indicates the parallex is very 'deep'. I set it at 400 and did not notice any pplx out to 1K. I need to put it on paper, but very pleased at this point.
The image is very sharp at pplx adjust range.

 

[JLP.Payette]

I cant justify chasing the latest and greatest. I just upgraded to the Vortex Razor Gen2 and its the best optic Ive had. It does everything I want and I dont see going any higher up the "Tier" anytime soon. Good luck to everyone that dumps $3500 everytime something new comes out.

 

[just browsing]

Does anyone have a video of the ZCO turrets?

I’ve see one so far that I’ve been holding off on posting because I’m pretty sure @arm017 was the one that took it. I know he is getting ready to post his review at some point in the near future.

 

[blbennett1288]

I’ve see one so far that I’ve been holding off on posting because I’m pretty sure @arm017 was the one that took it. I know he is getting ready to post his review at some point in the near future.

@MTETM and @just browsing thanks for the responses. I look forward to @arm017 ’s review, but I am an impatient SOB at times.

@JLP.Payette you don’t know what you don’t know

 

[Dthomas3523]

I cant justify chasing the latest and greatest. I just upgraded to the Vortex Razor Gen2 and its the best optic Ive had. It does everything I want and I dont see going any higher up the "Tier" anytime soon. Good luck to everyone that dumps $3500 everytime something new comes out.

You don’t have to justify your purchases to us. No need to be in the thread if you’re happy about another optic.

 

[nick338]

I cant justify chasing the latest and greatest. I just upgraded to the Vortex Razor Gen2 and its the best optic Ive had. It does everything I want and I dont see going any higher up the "Tier" anytime soon. Good luck to everyone that dumps $3500 everytime something new comes out.

Are you jealous, envious, or just an asshole?

 

[nick338]

In case it's too difficult for some to figure out and except, a lot of guys here have been patiently waiting for this scope to release for the last year. If it's not your cup of tea, no problem you're entitled to spend your money on whatever you want but none of us give a shit either way. So how about giving ZCO their due for releasing what we expect to be a great product and keep the inflammatory comments about guys willing to buy it out of the thread. It's getting old real fast.

 

[earthquake]

Got to look at these at SHOT this week. Nothing to dislike. Even indoors, going to max magnification, there was no darkening of the image at all. Super clear edge to edge, easy eyebox awesome reticles, turrets are great, ZS is super easy to set, not heavy etc. ZCO knocked it out of the park with these.

 

[JLP.Payette]

Are you jealous, envious, or just an asshole?

I may be slightly jealous, alittle envious, but I didn't think anything in my statement made me sound like asshole. Just my thoughts. Have a nice day nick338.

 

[918v]

Initial tesring indicates the parallex is very 'deep'. I set it at 400 and did not notice any pplx out to 1K. I need to put it on paper, but very pleased at this point.
The image is very sharp at pplx adjust range.

Could u take a pic of the image with the erector bottomed out?

 

[Dthomas3523]

I may be slightly jealous, alittle envious, but I didn't think anything in my statement made me sound like asshole. Just my thoughts. Have a nice day nick338.

Unfortunately, you don’t get to be the judge if it made you look like an asshole or not. ?

 

[JLP.Payette]

Unfortunately, you don’t get to be the judge if it made you look like an asshole or not. ?

Haha... Well that wasn't my intention. No sarcasm was intended by saying "Good luck......" Im sure its a great optic and I am interested, which is why I read this thread and made a comment on it. I wish I could afford to get the latest and greatest.

 

[Veer_G]

Y'all better settle down before "The Mean Girls" sashay in here and start handing out involuntary lessons in refined deportment.

 

[arm017]

All right boys; Threads up! I posted in a separate thread as to not crowd this thread.

https://www.snipershide.com/shootin...ero-compromise-tangent-theta-schmidt.6923960/

 

[jonthomps]

Ready to rock and roll. Weather looks good for a trip to the range tomorrow.

 

[f>b25]

There are a couple of new vids on YT about ZCO turrets that might belong to the discussion. The concerns are not subjective, I hope they are not representative.

 

[GIXXER2000]

Had a chance to speak with the Zcomp boys at Shot and i can say i am impressed. I will getting another scope in the very near future and I am going to give the Zcomp a shot. I will be going on a big Cal ie 375ct or 416b rifle. I currently have 3 S&B and 2 Kahles on my precision rifles. The only thing i will need to get used to is pulling up on the turrets.

 

[gebhardt02]

@GIXXER2000 it was a pleasure speaking with you.

 

[KYS]

I have been shooting mine since their initial release date. I was first on CS Tactical's list from a year ago! The wait was worth it.
These optics have incredibly clear glass and the adjustments are crisp and clean. Illumination controls are extremely impressive and I enjoy the daylight setting for shooting on black target backers. I will post more as I spend time with them both.

 

[CSTactical]

I have been shooting mine since their initial release date. I was first on CS Tactical's list from a year ago! The wait was worth it.
These optics have incredibly clear glass and the adjustments are crisp and clean. Illumination controls are extremely impressive and I enjoy the daylight setting for shooting on black target backers. I will post more as I spend time with them both.

Looking forward to your impressions on them

 

[Glassaholic]

I enjoy the daylight setting for shooting on black target backers. I will post more as I spend time with them both.

I wholeheartedly agree KYS, I often see shooters making comments like "I don't shoot in low light so don't see a need for illumination" but even with small targets that have black dots I sometimes have difficulty discerning the crosshair or dot even in bright sunlight, the illumination can serve as just a little more contrast especially if your target happens to be in the shadows. Do you prefer the red or the green illumination in these situations? I've only ever had red illumination on my scopes and have wondered if green is actually better in certain circumstances.

 

[Moose]

Im also looking forward to your impressions on the scope.Im bitting at the bit for the ZC 4X20 to be released.

 

[JPOPS]

placed my order today with @CSTactical

Pretty stoked!

 

[Dthomas3523]

Has anyone tried the Spuhr 6001 model?

I know it’s tall enough unless you have a straight rail chassis.

But does the erector housing have enough clearance?

 

[MarkLeupold]

Has anyone tried the Spuhr 6001 model?

I know it’s tall enough unless you have a straight rail chassis.

But does the erector housing have enough clearance?

It was the one that came with it in a raffle I played, so I would assume yes. For verified information, I can let you know when it comes in soon.

 

[jojotheclown]

Does anyone have an idea when the 4-20 models will be available?

 

[gebhardt02]

Does anyone have an idea when the 4-20 models will be available?

Currently working on them, hopefully only a couple months from now. Thanks.

 

[MarkLeupold]

Has anyone tried the Spuhr 6001 model?

I know it’s tall enough unless you have a straight rail chassis.

But does the erector housing have enough clearance?

The erector does clear the 6001 mount

 

[JPOPS]

I know ZCO responded about the turret issue, but has anyone heard definitive if this is a localized issue or if the issue has been rectified?

Not trying to poke the bear, simply curious as I should be getting mine soon.

 

[MarkLeupold]

I know ZCO responded about the turret issue, but has anyone heard definitive if this is a localized issue or if the issue has been rectified?

Not trying to poke the bear, simply curious as I should be getting mine soon.

Mine also does have this issue. It's small and probably won't bother me, but I'll be contacting ZCO regardless. They said they were fixing the issue, so I would think this will be contained to the first production run of 527's.

 

[scorpio 25]

I am leaving mine alone at this point I don't think its enough of a problem to send back if it does become one then I will.its just a hair off the mark sometimes I don't know of any other scope that's on the mark exactly EVERY single time all the time.CSTACTICAL thanks for another great scope Z527

 

[Covertnoob5]

I don't know of any other scope that's on the mark exactly EVERY single time all the time.

Not to derail but you ever seen a TT?

 

[scorpio 25]

Not to derail but you ever seen a TT?

someone let me look through theres once but never touched the turrets. but just to be fair I don't now much about that scopeTT but everybody who has one can they absolutely say that sometimes it might miss the mark by just a hair?

 

[Dthomas3523]

someone let me look through theres once but never touched the turrets. but just to be fair I don't now much about that scopeTT but everybody who has one can they absolutely say that sometimes it might miss the mark by just a hair?

The only two issues I have ever heard against TT:

Reticles. But this is extremely subjective

Doesn’t focus to 25 or less. This is a product of .22 becoming more an more popular in matches. People like to use the same optic. As far as a trainer, you can train with a .22 past 50m and not worry about it. Also, TT’s target consumer is not one who needs a 25m parallax.

I have never, not once, never ever, heard anyone dislike the turrets, glass, or parallax on the optic.

The owner inspects each optic individually before shipping. This combine with low production rates (comparatively speaking) make for as close to 100% success rate as possible.

Does this make other optic manufacturers inferior? Absolutely not. But TT is in a class of its own for more reasons than just having the best glass.

 

[Dthomas3523]

Let’s look at the overall package zcomp is selling:

It has most of not all the features many(most?) people want in one optic. Most optics have some, but not all.

• Locking turrets
• Low profile turrets
• Reticle with .2 mil throughout
• Daylight bright illumination
• Red/green selectable illum
• Fast focus diopter
• Locking diopter
• Forgiving parallax
• Glass as good/slightly less (who knows, subjective) than TT

Can anyone name another optic that has ALL of these?

The only high end optic I have not owned is a Hendsoldt. And March, if you consider that a top tier. I have no experience with them, so I don’t know if they are.

 

[JPOPS]

It seemed to me the issue was less of the numbers lining up but the turrets not locking down appropriately, having to wiggle the turret and get the play out to drop it.

Personally I’ve had locking turrets that don’t close easily and it gets really annoying after a while. Especially when you accidentally click one way or the other trying to get it to drop.

Seems almost every scope I’ve ever received the numbers never line up, but with a simple fine tuning you can line them up real nice.

Maybe I’m missing something here? Are y’all having trouble locking the turrets? Or are your numbers and indicator just not perfectly in line?

 

[Covertnoob5]

someone let me look through theres once but never touched the turrets. but just to be fair I don't now much about that scopeTT but everybody who has one can they absolutely say that sometimes it might miss the mark by just a hair?

Try the turrets next time and you’ll see they won’t ever be slightly off. Not even possible.

 

[Midwestside]

Oh, it has been said:

https://www.snipershide.com/shootin...-nightforce-atacr-and-a-quick-review.6894801/


No product goes without any scrutiny on the interweb.

 

[gconnoyer]

Oh, it has been said:

https://www.snipershide.com/shootin...-nightforce-atacr-and-a-quick-review.6894801/


No product goes without any scrutiny on the interweb.

I dont have my TT yet, so I cant comment on how the turrets are set (splined or slip)
But on my old DT S&B I slipped mine so that it was between .1 marks looking straight on so that when I was on the gun moving them they appeared dead on because of the angle.

 

[MPHReallyRightStuff]

We decided to add a mount into our inventory made specifically for the ZCo optics for this years SHOT Show. They had a decent feedback. We installed the 1.26” w/20moa on a 4-20 that we used for our display guns. We should have out 0 and 20Moa in 1.26” shipping in two weeks.

 

[JPOPS]

We decided to add a mount into our inventory made specifically for the ZCo optics for this years SHOT Show. They had a decent feedback. We installed the 1.26” w/20moa on a 4-20 that we used for our display guns. We should have out 0 and 20Moa in 1.26” shipping in two weeks.
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What’s the price?

 

[MPHReallyRightStuff]

338.00 most likely
Our current listing for 30mm and 34mm is here, 36mm will be same place

 

[Covertnoob5]

Oh, it has been said:

https://www.snipershide.com/shootin...-nightforce-atacr-and-a-quick-review.6894801/


No product goes without any scrutiny on the interweb.

Indeed, but that was clearly one that needed to go back for warranty. Little different here I believe.

 

[MarkLeupold]

Maybe I’m missing something here? Are y’all having trouble locking the turrets? Or are your numbers and indicator just not perfectly in line?

With the little experience I've had with mine today, it's a little of both. The turrets lock on a spline, so they have to be lined up with the number to lock down. It takes a little wiggle to lock down and I would be fine with that.

Really, it's the turrets having a slight play in them. When rotating the turret, you'll overshoot the mark by .05 mil and it'll make you question for a little bit what mark it's on. If you apply some slight pressure back the other way when you come off the turret, it'll line right back up again. I really don't think it'll hurt my performance with it, but the less things that threaten to screw my mind up during a stage, the better.

EDIT: the windage turret is absolutely perfect and functions exactly like I would expect the elevation to.

 

[JPOPS]

@MarkLeupold

Man that’s too bad. That’s a pretty big deal if you ask me. Especially at 3600. Even at half the price id still say unacceptable.

Here’s to hoping they got it all sorted out. This scope literally has everything I could possible want in it. Maybe lower parallax focus since I shoot a lot of .22

Even with it being perfect, I wouldn’t be happy with the elevation turret acting like that.

I’m going to bank on what you said and hope mine that comes is without this issue. Hopefully we here from ZCO on this as well

 

[mattwaage1]

Waiting for mine to come in yet.
Locking turrets are nice but I don't really need them. If they offered a non-locking solid turret I'm sure that would take care of any play in the internal splining , and I would definitely pick a non locking option

 

[Dthomas3523]

Waiting for mine to come in yet.
Locking turrets are nice but I don't really need them. If they offered a non-locking solid turret I'm sure that would take care of any play in the internal splining , and I would definitely pick a non locking option

Agreed, it’s a give an take.

In a perfect world, solely for PRS, I think locking windage and non locking elevation is ideal.

Windage is typically used less and it’s the turret that would likely get bumped.

But, more options = more cost overall.

So, if the turrets have none or very minimal play, feel good, and track true, I’ll take it for a locking windage.

 

[MarkLeupold]

@Dthomas3523 Detail of the ZCO 527 and the Spuhr 6001 mount.

@JPOPS Everything else about the scope feels really, really solid. This is the best glass I've held in my life (apart from some Swaro 15x binos I spotted though at a match one day). All the controls move easily and consistently through their entire range (magnification, parallax, illumination). I can read what month and year people's license plates are registered for at close to 200 yards. I like the reticle design (MPCT 1). I really cannot wait to get this on a rifle.

Small detractors: elevation turret (although the more time I spend turning it, the better it seems to get. May need revisiting once it's got more revs on it). Slight tunneling: like below 5.25x. Very, very slight, but it's there. Illumination will need to be assessed more, but the initial opinion is that it's not the best I've seen. Also not daylight bright (on green illumination), but that's not a big deal.

 

[Dthomas3523]

Thanks man. Looks good.

The illumination has been advertised as daylight bright. Not sure if that’s only with red or not.

Might want to check on settings. I recall video mentioning “daylight” settings. That might just be referring to the intensity settings though.

If not. I’d be asking zcomp for clarification