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Extra heavy barrel contours, to bed or not to bed

With the trend being towards heavier and heavier barrels like the proof competition contour, I'm beginning to question how much sense it makes to free float barrels of this size in a stock. If you're using a chassis I could understand it since the receiver in the chassis is going to be one complete rigid unit. With a lighter profile barrel I could also understand it because you're trying not to influence the natural harmonics of the barrel, but I have a hard time believing any barrel of this diameter is going to have any appreciable whip to it. My concern is having a stiff enough system at the receiver end so that it doesn't actually increase the vibration of the barrel. My next build is going to be on a Defiance Deviant tactical long action with a heavy tang, devcon bedded with pillars in a manners T4A CF stock and a Lilja #14 barrel. It's going to be a strictly prone gun shot off a bipod or bags. When you're talking about hanging an 8 pound barrel off of an action even with all that stiffening, I still feel like free floating is putting a lot of flex into the system, and it might be better to have it as one solid unit. On the other hand, my McMilllan 50 has a 16 pound barrel that's floated and it shoots lights out. But it's also in a solid fiberglass Big Mac stock that weighs 9 lbs and is probably 2 inches thick down the center so not exactly an apples to apples comparison. Has anybody tried full length bedding one of these super heavy barrels, and if so how did it work for you?

SOLD NF NX8 4-32 F1 Mil-C $1,600

Up for grabs is a lightly used NX8 4-32 with Mil-C reticle. Mounted on a 260 for a handful of range sessions in Seekins rings. Glass is flawless, and I never set the Zero Stop so you don’t have to mess with that. I am selling the rifle this was on, so my loss is your gain. Comes with everything it came with from the factory. $1,600 TYD discreet PayPal preferred. Thanks for looking.

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Help me select a scope - I’m overwhelmed by options!

I have read the helpful sticky at the top of this thread “Tips for Asking Advice About Rifle Scopes”.
I have read Chapters 3 (Sniperscope Basics) and Chapter 4 (Using a sniperscope) from The Ultimate Sniper.
I have read Rifle Scopes 101 from www.centerfiretraining.com.
I have downloaded and reviewed the spreadsheet at AR15 Recommended Rifle Scopes
I have been reading the Observation & Sighting Devices forums here at www.snipershide.com for a few weeks now.
I have been reading two Optics, Mounts, and Sights forums at www.ar15.com.

I say this because I don’t want to be one of those one post newbies that expects you to solve my all problems with little or no effort on my part. Your time and expertise are valuable and hope I don’t waste them.

So… I got a new rifle and I’m hoping y’all can help me pick the right scope.

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What is the platform for the scope? DPMS LR-308 (AR-10) 24” heavy barrel w/ picrail top
What cartridge are you shooting? .308
What is your intended use for the scope? 90% Paper targets and steel. 10% white tail hunting
What type of conditions will you typically shoot in? Daylight, Lowlight
What are the typical distances you intend to shoot? For starters 200yds but I’d like to eventually work my way up to steel targets at 600yds so I’d rather go ahead and buy a scope for 600yds now.
What is the price range you can afford? I’m prepared to spend up to $1,500 for scope and rings combo. If a few more dollars can be justified I can go a little more.
Are there any specific specifications you would like?
  • Shooting will be from a supported position, so weight doesn’t matter.
  • Lighted reticle = not needed.
  • Anything but duplex.
  • 1st Focal Plane vs 2nd Focal Plane, no preference.
In short, I’d like a scope capable of shooting paper and steel targets at ranges between 200 and 600yds during daylight/lowlight hours. I’m very much a “buy once cry once” kind of guy. I would rather spend the money on a quality scope now. I don’t want to buy something “for now” only want to upgrade at a later date.

I saw a good comments on the Vortex Razor LHT FFP 4.5-22x50 and I’m also sort of interested in the Nightforce BR scopes any comments those scopes are particularly welcome.

I’ve done some of my own research and have a short working list below, but I’m open for recommendations.
CostManfModelPowerReticleTube DiameterFinish
$ 950TrijiconAccupoint5-20x50Mil-Dot Crosshair30mmMatte
$ 1,100SightronSIII6-24x50(multiple)30mmMatte
$ 1,500NightforceBR12-42X56NPR230mmMatte
$ 1,500NightforceBR12-42X56NP2DD30mmMatte
$ 1,400NightforceBR8-32X56NPR230mmMatte
$ 1,000VortexViper PST Gen II5-25x50(multiple)30mmMatte
$ 1,000VortexViper PST Gen II Riflescope5-25x50(multiple)30mmMatte
$ 1,500VortexRazor HD LHT4.5-22x50XLR MOA (1/4)30mmAnodized
$ 1,200BushnellELITE TACTICAL DMR II3.5-21X50(multiple)34mmMatte
$ 900VortexViper HS LR6-24x50XLR MOA30mmAnodized
$ 1,500BushnellELITE TACTICAL DMR33.5-21X50GP434mmMatte
$ 1,300SWFASS HD5-20x50Mil-QuadNot specifiedMatte

So… have at it. I’m at your mercy and any recommendations for (or against) would be very much appreciated.
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Rifle Scopes Vortex Squad Optic Contract

New Year, New contracts...


Next Generation Squad Weapons – Fire Control (NGSW-FC) Follow-on Production Award​

The Next Generation Squad Weapons – Fire Control (NGSW-FC) Production Other Transaction Agreement will provide the U.S. Government the ability to procure fire controls, supporting accessories, contractor support, spare parts, repairs, and engineering efforts to support the National Defense Strategy, to include other Department of Defense Services and potential Foreign Military Sales. The NGSW-FC is the planned fire control for the Next Generation Squad Weapons – Rifle and Next Generation Squad Weapons – Automatic Rifle. The NGSW-FC is the planned replacement for the Close Combat Optic, Rifle Combat Optic, and Machine Gun Optic within the Close Combat Force.

No sappy BS please

This is my Dad

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He had a heart attack today and whilst having said heart attack drove himself to the hospital and walked in the ER. Of course, they took him straight back and the word is he actually asked the doctor "Is this a real heart attack?". One emergency surgery procedure later and he's doing pretty good, looks like he'll be in the hospital for a couple days and then he can go home.

I told him that if he wanted to get out of shooting this weekend all he had to do was say so.

SOLD 6.5 projectiles $220 shipped for the lot

6.5 projectiles Im not using.
100 Berger 130 hybrid otm tac
69 Berger 156 eol elite Hunter
66 Berger 140 hybrid target
46 Hornady 143 eldx
55 Hornady 147 eldm
151 Sierra 130 game changers.
Would like to sell as a lot but not 100% necessary. .60 cents ea on the bergers
.30 each Hornady
.40 ea Sierra
$220 for the lot

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Optics Vortex Razor HD Gen III 6-36x56 MRAD with Free Tenebraex caps!

Hide special, order a new one from our site and request the Tenebraex caps in the notes and we send them you a set for free!

Vortex Razor HD Gen III 6-36x56 MRAD with Free Tenebraex caps https://cstactical.com/vortex-razor-gen-iii-6-36x56-ffp-ebr7-d-mrad/


Vortex RAZOR® HD GEN III 6-36X56 RIFLESCOPE​

Built around the perfect balance of magnification and field of view, the Razor® Gen III 6-36x56 FFP delivers the resolution and contrast you need for long-range, tactical shooting. To get the absolute most out of the first focal plane reticle, the EBR-7D presents a clean sight picture while still providing ample wind holds and ranging information. Round it out with a rugged build and you have the long-range, tactical solution you’ve been waiting for.
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Don't play with bats

The CDC finally doing things CDC should be doing:

Summary: 3 Americans have recently died from Rabies in Bats (Idaho, Illinois, Texas).
Moral of the story: if you see a f*cked up bat do not try to pick it up.
And ABC journalists still can't spell-check simple words like "exposure"....
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The heros we need

Older news story, but my point stands.

Mind yo bizznasss ;)


I’d also vote not guilty.

Firearms Tikka 6.5 SAUM - Proof/XLR

Looking to trade a Tikka in 6.5 SAUM for a tikka more oriented towards prs match shooting - 6cm or 308. Specs are as follows:

- Tikka stainless action - minor pitting on bolt face from a blown primer by the previous owner.
- 20 moa rail
- Aluminum bolt shroud
- Varmint bolt handle
- 22” 6.5 SAUM proof Carbon 1:8 twist barrel, 320rds through it
- accurate mag 3rd wsm mag
- Smithed but Mile high in March of 2017
- Xlr Carbon chassis - a small 8-32 hole was drilled for an unknown purpose by the previous owner towards the back of the chassis.
Area 419 sidewinder 5/8”-24 - 30 cal

Shoots factory prime 6.5 SAUM into 0.5”. I have 185ish rds that will come with it. Rifle was used to win the sniper adventure challenge a few years ago.

Asking $1525 for rifle, $1.75/rd on the ammo

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Stay at home Karen!!!!

So I’m up in Chardon Ohio. And had to get about 6 miles from I 90 down to Chardon.

Took an entire hour. Because an endless chain of stupid fucking Karen’s in their goddamn SUVs and Mercedes with no fucking snow tires and no goddamn clue how to drive in the snow but wearing five masks apiece I’ll have to be on the road?

What the fuck? This place is known as the lake effect capital of the world. It’s snows feet up here.

How the hell would you not be able to drive in the snow? How the hell would you not have your trophy- wife white suburban pick up truck equipped with decent tires. (And that was a dude. He is still a Karen.)

Again… WTF?

If you’re not equipped. If you’re terrified. If you’re incapable… stay the fuck home you stupid faggot. You are a danger to yourself and others. Why the hell are you on the road? Go make a zoom call if the rules can’t live without you for a couple of hours.

We need a proper pandemic to weed out about 100 million Karen’s. Ebola anyone? I’m rooting for 1919 again.

Let’s show people what a real slate wiper looks like. And we could start with the people using summer tires on their pick up trucks in the snow belt in January.

Sirhr

Question for the serious car restoration guys - rusty gas tank 1931 Model A

Given the depth of knowledge of folks here, I thought I would put this out for any suggestions, tips, etc. Friend agreed to help another friend's estate get a 1931 Model A running so it can be sold. Initially thought simple enough but as usual gas was left in tank (now evaporated) who knows how many years ago and tank is rusted but not obvious if any leaks. Now the hard part. Tank is also the cowl between hood and windshield so it's painted and part of body. And on top of that, apparently late 31s had fuel outlet in different place than previous and the model ended in 31 so very limited and unobtanium. So even if a correct tank can be found or earlier made to work, then comes tearing into the body and trying to match paint. All of which is turning into a major project for someone just trying to help out his friend's estate.

I know there's various products for cleaning/treating/sealing gas tanks but anyone familiar with any products/chemicals or processes which can be used to clean a tank like this in place? Volume is 11-12 gal and filling/draining should be doable. No one is trying to hide anything from potential buyers, just trying get it back into minimal running condition vs selling as is. And yes I know there are a zillion car forums out there.

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Unconventional reloading technique?

Howdy folks, I have an interesting idea to save some money of sizing dies and was wondering if it's possible. Can you take the barrel off your rifle, I.e. an AI or terminus, and put a fired case into the chamber, take a ball peen hammer, and smack it medium hard to get your shoulder set back? Then for the neck sizing take said case and smack the neck with the hammer and expand it with the bullet?

The January 6 probe a year on: $500 million tax bill, 140 prosecutors for the 'biggest federal investigation in history' | Daily Mail Online


“Armed” in the case of January 6 meant that no firearms were used or even found among the protestors.​

Of the 5 deaths, 4 were Trump supporters, including 14-year military veteran, unarmed, 110-pound female Ashli Babbitt; and a Capitol police officer Brian Sicknick, not murdered, but died tragically of a stroke the next day.​

The prior 120 days of continuous rioting, looting, and arson by Black Lives Matter, Antifa, et al caused nearly $2 billion worth of property destruction and 28 people to be killed; including an 8 year old innocent child murdered by a stray bullet in Atlanta, GA. But, like Waco and Ruby Ridge, with women and children murdered by US Federal Agents, Leftist Law Enforcement PIGS - will be PIGS via weaponization of government.​


The January 6 probe a year on: 140 prosecutors, agents from all 56 FBI field offices for the 'biggest federal investigation in history' and a $500 million tax bill for 700 suspects arrested​

  • A year after Trump supporters attacked the U.S. Capitol, federal investigators are still hunting hundreds of people
  • 140 prosecutors are working on the investigation, said AG Merrick Garland
  • More than 725 individuals have been arrested and charged so far
  • Investigators have pored over 20,000 hours of footage and seized 2,000 device
  • AG Merrick Garland described the result as 'one of the largest, most complex, and most resource-intensive investigations in our history.'

Fox News presenter Tucker Carlson dedicated a monologue on Wednesday, the eve of the one-anniversary, to ridiculing Garland for saying he was hunting 'everyone who was responsible.'
'John Dillinger is laughing from the pit of hell,' he said.
'Jan. 6 trumped him, and it trumped the manhunt after 9/11.
'It trumps all manhunts. So people who were just standing there taking pictures on their phone got picked up by the FBI, some of them got sent to jail, but it’s not ending, there’s still more to come.'

Maggie’s 3rd Anniversary leather?

My wife wants me to pick out my gift for our 3rd anniversary, which traditionally is leather (somehow she ended up with diamonds).

I was thinking a nice Milt Sparks holster for my EDC Wather PPS, I would use it a lot, but that’s not a heirloom piece (I have all of my forever guns in leather).

My other thought was a rifle sling but it’s hard to beat those $15 rubber ones that don’t slip. Maybe there a custom sling maker out there?

Ammo pouch?

Any thoughts? Guns and leather seem to go hand in hand.

Thanks for all your suggestions in advance.

Optics Looking for NF and S&B scopes to take in trade for anyone wanting to trade up to ZCO.

I am looking for S&B 3-20 US and PMII 5-25 with low profile turrets and dual cc 1-8X scopes. Needs gently used, if you are looking to trade up to Zero Co promise 4-20, 5-27 or 8-40 scopes.

We will have black and FDE ZCO and three different reticles.

We are running low on good quality used top shelf scopes. If interested, DM me.

Suppressors Thunder Beast 338 Gen 2 and Magnus on 6.5 CM

Here we have the Magnus, Gen 2 338 Ultra ,Ultra 9 in 6.5 , PR30L and the Nomad LT on a 24" 6.5 CM shooting 140 ELD Match ammo on the Pulse


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Otter Creel PR30L
MR-130.2,130.3,130.2,130.5,131.8 Avg-130.1
ML-131.7,129.8,128.6,130.5,130.0 Avg-130.6
MR/ML Avg- 130.3
SE-118.1,117.9,117.1,116.3,119.7 Avg-117.8

Nomad LT
MR-131.4,129.8,128.1,128.7,128.7 Avg-129.1
ML-129.4,130.2,127.9,130.1,127.9 Avg-129.4
MR/ML Avg 129.3
SE-121.1,116.7,115.2,114.5,116.5 Avg-116.8

Ultra 9 6.5 Gen2
MR-131.6,129.2,129.5,129.0,130.1 Avg-129.9
ML-132.5,130.1,131.0,131.6,133.2 Avg-131.7
MR/ML Avg-130.8
SE-115.9,118.1,116.0,116.9,116.6 Avg-116.7

Magnus
MR-128.0,125.7,125.3,125.6,126.5 Avg-127.1
ML-128.3,125.7,125.7,126.6,128.9 Avg-126.2
MR/ML Avg- 126.6
SE-113.1,110.9,110.9,112.1,112.9 Avg-112

Gen 2 338 Ultra
MR-123.6,127.0,125.0,123.3,124.1 Avg-124.6
ML-126.5,125.2,122.4,122.9,126.0 Avg-124.6
MR/ML Avg- 124.6
SE-112.6,109.3,110.6,110.5,108.7 Avg-110.3

Tucker Carlson calls Ted Cruz a liar to his face for calling Jan. 6th protest a "terroristic attack on the Capital."

Tucker Carlson hammers Ted Cruz. Cruz waffles goes into panic mode and lies out his ass some more, saying he meant attacks on LE are terrorist attacks. Carslon makes him eat shit again by saying those are "assaults" not "terrorist attacks."

Cruz may have fuc't himself permanently for using the Left's narrative. Bastard.

The only terrorist attack was the cop murdering Ashli Babbitt.

Here's the interview:

https://t.co/0GYxn1yOLC