Communicating optics to a car guy

[vinniedelpino]

A buddy of mine is getting serious about shooting and is asking about higher end glass. I just saw Nighforce being compared to Toyota and it got me thinking....

Tangent Theta- Ferrari
ZCO- Lamborghini
Nightforce- Vette
S&B- Porsche
Kahles- Audi
Vortex- Toyota/Lexus
IOR- Yugo
Quigley Ford- Bugatti

Thoughts?

 

[Huskydriver]

Kahles = Used fiat

 

[vinniedelpino]

Kahles = Used fiat

Damn dude. Do tell. I was thinking of picking up a k624i since used prices are pretty good.

 

[HousePlant]

Sightron = 90's Toyota... still driving flawlessly, rust free, and the seats barely look used but it's only got a tape deck and 14" wheels.

 

[Huskydriver]

Damn dude. Do tell. I was thinking of picking up a k624i since used prices are pretty good.

624s are actually pretty decent. I had 3 318s and had to send 2 back. 1 had to go back 2 twice.... Buddy had to send his 318 back too. 525 glass is a joke 624 glass is better imo

 

[HousePlant]

I did look through a 525 mid last year after asking the feller if I could "play with his Impact action" and had to hold my tongue. At least on his 525, the glass was almost... amber or yellowed in a way? Could have just been a lighting condition but I was like... yeesh, isn't this thing $3500? Did like the Impact action though... so... job done. Went back to my $500 Nikon FX1000 and continued my life.

 

[HousePlant]

Which brings me to:

Nikon: the Oldsmobile of firearm optics. The parent brand still exists but the product line is gone.

 

[cjs88]

A buddy of mine is getting serious about shooting and is asking about higher end glass. I just saw Nighforce being compared to Toyota and it got me thinking....

Tangent Theta- Ferrari
ZCO- Lamborghini
Nightforce- Vette
S&B- Porsche
Kahles- Audi
Vortex- Toyota/Lexus
IOR- Yugo
Quigley Ford- Bugatti

Thoughts?

NF is already Toyota, why give it Vette? Plus, a vette is just a model meaning NF would be Chevy in your comparison.

 

[vinniedelpino]

NF is already Toyota, why give it Vette? Plus, a vette is just a model meaning NF would be Chevy in your comparison.

Nah. The vette is iconic. It's American. It's a brand within a brand.

I get the logic in comparing a Nightforce to a Toyota. It just doesn't seem right though.

 

[Bacarrat]

NF = Toyota/Lexus cause their shit doesn't break, not flashy, doesn't always have the latest
Vortex = CDJR or Stelantis Group, they have decent products and very good marketing.

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

What is up with the kahles haters? They are excellent optics. I have a few and I have the other top shelf optics too. Different scopes look differently to each set of eyes, no need to crap all over widely used and solid glass. I don't have any allegiances to any manufacturer but I hate for a newb to see this stuff and not get a kahles because of it because they are great scopes flat out.

 

[Chickentoast]

Nightforce is of course, Tesla. It costs more than it should, is inferior to real cars at the same price point, and has a religious cult of followers that keep it relevant.

 

[TurboTrout]

always thought vortex and nightforce were similar, NF being a little more of a tank and vortex having better features and reticle

 

[EscapeVelocity]

Meanwhile, we all are still looking for that high mileage SWFA work car for a decent price.

 

[acudaowner]

while the analogy is pretty funny , Id still take my 5.8 x40 over the double the price a friend paid for a zco and it's hardly a Lamborghini except in cost maybe , if your eyes can tell the differance between them or the snb your eyes are better than mine cause I could not see any major improvements but going from a 34mm to a 40mm I can see a huge differance in the extra light difference glass wise not so much but on mans yugo is another mans not having to walk after every shot to actually see his shots .

 

[TheOE800]

Nightforce is of course, Tesla. It costs more than it should, is inferior to real cars at the same price point, and has a religious cult of followers that keep it relevant.

Much more apt.

 

[vinniedelpino]

while the analogy is pretty funny , Id still take my 5.8 x40 over the double the price a friend paid for a zco and it's hardly a Lamborghini except in cost maybe , if your eyes can tell the differance between them or the snb your eyes are better than mine cause I could not see any major improvements but going from a 34mm to a 40mm I can see a huge differance in the extra light difference glass wise not so much but on mans yugo is another mans not having to walk after every shot to actually see his shots .

I've never looked through a ZCO, but how many people can really notice a difference in performance between a ZO6 and an Aventador? Very few, I'd guess. Less than 1% end up on the track and maybe 1% of those that do pushed to the edge of their capability.

I shoot Steiner, mostly. Anything over $1500 or so is a case of rapidly diminishing returns, just like anything else.

 

[Huskydriver]

What is up with the kahles haters? They are excellent optics. I have a few and I have the other top shelf optics too. Different scopes look differently to each set of eyes, no need to crap all over widely used and solid glass. I don't have any allegiances to any manufacturer but I hate for a newb to see this stuff and not get a kahles because of it because they are great scopes flat out.

It's pretty well documented all over this sight how bad the 525 is. There are also lots of people who have had similar issues to mine with the 318....no way they should be considered top teir... No hate just facts

 

[Bigfatcock]

I don’t drive cars or use scopes with gay ass names.

For me that make TT=Subaru and ZCO=Mini Cooper.

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

It's pretty well documented all over this sight how bad the 525 is. There are also lots of people who have had similar issues to mine with the 318....no way they should be considered top teir... No hate just facts

Nah.... I wouldn't agree about the 525i. There's a few folks that always complain about CA with the 525i, but that's it. There's a ton of guys who run them and they sell for $2500 on here fast. In fact, they are probably the easiest scope to sell. Maybe a good price on a zco sells faster but that's it, maybe. Kahles is definitely top tier glass, TT and ZCO and some SnB are above it in glass, and that's it,but again glass is super subjective.

 

[flyfisher117]

Nah Vortex is Honda. Some of their shit is bomb proof and will run forever. Some of their shit is shit.

 

[TacticalPlinker]

Kahles glass turns yellow when bullshitters look through them .

KAHLES MASTER RACE !

 

[22lfb]

What about March then...?

 

[rtB]

Huskemaw:

 

[Jefe's Dope]

Vortex = Hyundai/Kia. One hell of a warranty that you're gonna need. But hey, they will fix it.

ZCO = Maclaren
NF = Shelby
TT = Ferrari
Kahles = Lamborghini
Swarovski = Mercedes
Athlon = Toyota
SB = Audi

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

Comparing optics to cars is beyond retarded and even if it wasn't you would all be wrong.

 

[Jefe's Dope]

 

[Jefe's Dope]

God forbid we have a meaningless conversation on a Friday/Saturday 'cause we didn't get our rifle back in time to go shoot Raton.

 

[Jackomason]

Minox = Mercedes
Ziess = Lotus
Athlon = SAAB

 

[Mike Casselton]

Arken=White Claw.

Nobody wants to be seen with one, but they secretly want to try it.

I know, not a car...

 

[vinniedelpino]

Arken=White Claw.

Nobody wants to be seen with one, but they secretly want to try it.

I know, not a car...

I'm not too proud to pull out my arken at the range.

I won't be caught dead with a whiteclaw though. They're not half bad on a hot day....

 

[Poorboyr]

How the Hell is a Quigley Ford a Bugatti!!! That’s the question that should be asked.

 

[Huskydriver]

How the Hell is a Quigley Ford a Bugatti!!! That’s the question that should be asked.

If you know... You know...

 

[Chickentoast]

Cars peaked around '05 IMHO with the Carrera GT, 360 Challenge Stradale, 996 GT3, C6Z06, E60 M5, E46 M3, Subaru STi, EVO 9MR (just to index some different price points). No current new cars interest me. Everything is coalescing around meaningless metrics for "car guys" who can't change their own oil.

 

[TheGerman]

Leupold = Jeep

Everyone loved it in the 90s and it was awesome. Yet they never evolved and then sold the exact same thing for decades.

Then when they did try something new it was either a horrible idea, or it was so fucking overpriced that only fobbit tourists that didn't know better bought it.

 

[SanPatHogger]

Athlon Argos BTR 6-24 The best scope there is.
Chinese scope gets chinese car

Hongqi S9​

 

[Jackomason]

How the Hell is a Quigley Ford a Bugatti!!! That’s the question that should be asked.

The "Bu" in Bugatti is for Buddly.

 

[Raufoss]

Nah. The vette is iconic. It's American. It's a brand within a brand.

I get the logic in comparing a Nightforce to a Toyota. It just doesn't seem right though.

US optics is vettes

 

[vinniedelpino]

Athlon Argos BTR 6-24 The best scope there is.
Chinese scope gets chinese car

Hongqi S9​

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Haha! The Chinese are doing supercars now? It’s like a random hodgepodge of Chinese knockoff parts that almost hit the mark. The ass is a saleen s7, the headlights are Ferrari f458 But upside down and flipped… I know I’ve seen those wheels before, but back in the 90s, so it’s been a little while.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness, I suppose.

 

[vinniedelpino]

US optics is vettes

Maybe late 70s/ early 80s vettes

 

[LeftyJason]

How the Hell is a Quigley Ford a Bugatti!!! That’s the question that should be asked.

If you've never read it it is worth it for the laughs. It's one of the threads that inspired the Legendary Thread.
https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/quigley-q520-ffp.6896341/

 

[Mike Islander]

SWFA = Willys

 

[308pirate]

Nah Vortex is Honda. Some of their shit is bomb proof and will run forever. Some of their shit is shit.

You're confusing Honda with Nissan

Honda doesn't make shit

 

[308pirate]

If you've never read it it is worth it for the laughs. It's one of the threads that inspired the Legendary Thread.
https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/quigley-q520-ffp.6896341/

One of my faves

 

[308pirate]

If you know... You know...

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Cash it motherfucker...CASH IT

 

[308pirate]

Huskemaw:
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I can hear the ching chong in the distance

 

[308pirate]

What about March then...?

 

[357Max]

Revic = Rivian R1T

 

[Bacarrat]

Revic would be more like Tesla. Teslas will drive for you. Rivians can't.

 

[flyfisher117]

You're confusing Honda with Nissan

Honda doesn't make shit

Deffinately not confused.

Agree to disagree.