I wasn’t gonna say it, but yes, there it is.Easy to tell you aren't an American citizen.
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I wasn’t gonna say it, but yes, there it is.Easy to tell you aren't an American citizen.
Hello sir!
I have made an account just to reply to this. I think your product is amazing, but not justifying it's price tag, I have the soar 3 w/ the bh-55. I think it's overpriced! Your engineers are greedy! And they should be ashamed! I'm gonna admit that I own also the Leofoto LH-55 LR with the LN-364C tripod. I do use this way more than my RRS system because I don't want my RRS getting banged up. I want it to look new for as long as I can. God forbid anything happening to it, I'm an electrician and I wouldn't have the budget for another one. I think everyone claiming that the leofoto isn't as reliable as the RRS is full of it. It most certainly will, I have pure experience, that it does. How is this possible is my next question. Which you're going to reply with time and effort of your engineers. I doubt the 1800.00 dollar price tag is equivalent to your engineers time. How many have been sold? X's that 1800.00 . I think that speaks for itself, not to mention the ones that got sold in the time I wrote this. There's a thin line between fair price and just plain greediness. You're only upset because it has come to light that it's a system that can be replicated successfully at a much lower price. I'm all for "made in usa". But I work along americans all day and foreigners, and usa workers want the most $$$ with the least amout of work. Seems to be confirmed with your statement here! Another note to take into consideration, look in your inventory of tools, gadgets, devices, appliances and or belongings that you may own, where are they all made? I doubt they are all made in the USA. I'm sure there's something in that inventory that, the day you purchased it, you said, " aaaaaaaaaa.... this chinese knock off is just as good as the usa one", and you pulled the trigger to purchase. Anyway, dont spread so much anger, we all just want the best at the least amout of $$$. Take care sir!
Adding shipping can move prices up quite a bit too, depending on where the customer is.Well i do use some Leofotos and also retail them , plus retailed RRS , while RRS is better than Leofoto , has both stiffer legs and apex at same size tripods, but difference is nowhere near what you would expect at the cost difference and lately Leofoto churned out lots on new tripods and heads that are actually better tailored than RRS for rifle use, with one-handed leg manipulation on the X series not to mention the multitude of head options not available on RRS
While Leofoto had many products that obviously copied features from RRS , maybe RRS should take a peek at Leofoto products as they are developing much faster than RRS + they are actually available.
Other thing with RRS ,for a retailers they have an unreasonably high threshold of minimal order quantity for any proper discount, in turn pushing end customer prices into the untenable ground. (imagine the prices for RRS over the pond , well north of 2300$ for a TFCT) so only customers that would pay our RRS retail are the Military , taxpayer can always be fleeced some more.No wonder that niche is filling with alternative offerings.
Hate to break it to folks that think its about paying engineers or workers , no its about setting a price folks are willing to pay for a quality product, like it's with 500$ scope mounts and 1000$ bipods. Could be sold for much less, but why if folks are willing to pay.
Well i do use some Leofotos and also retail them , plus retailed RRS , while RRS is better than Leofoto , has both stiffer legs and apex at same size tripods, but difference is nowhere near what you would expect at the cost difference and lately Leofoto churned out lots on new tripods and heads that are actually better tailored than RRS for rifle use, with one-handed leg manipulation on the X series not to mention the multitude of head options not available on RRS
While Leofoto had many products that obviously copied features from RRS , maybe RRS should take a peek at Leofoto products as they are developing much faster than RRS + they are actually available.
Other thing with RRS ,for a retailers they have an unreasonably high threshold of minimal order quantity for any proper discount, in turn pushing end customer prices into the untenable ground. (imagine the prices for RRS over the pond , well north of 2300$ for a TFCT) so only customers that would pay our RRS retail are the Military , taxpayer can always be fleeced some more.No wonder that niche is filling with alternative offerings.
Hate to break it to folks that think its about paying engineers or workers , no its about setting a price folks are willing to pay for a quality product, like it's with 500$ scope mounts and 1000$ bipods. Could be sold for much less, but why if folks are willing to pay.
Import over the pond ads roughly 1,7x on US retail , cost only , if you add some dealer margin you are pushing 2+x US retail pricingAdding shipping can move prices up quite a bit too, depending on where the customer is.
Honestly i do not care , have experience retailing both , using both enough to have an opinion and i am just happy to see other brands stepping up with 'shooting-oriented' tripodsDo tell us about RRS' internal cost structure, gross and net margins, and everything else you think you know.
Please do.
Easy to tell you aren't an American citizen.
Lmao. Was born in the U.S.A and grandparents born in Mexico on mother's side, with dads side born in spain! O boy, someone bit their own tounge. You must have been that bully I stomped on his ass for beating up on the weak!
Wtf does me joining 2 weeks ago have anything to do with my reply to the creator?Joined two weeks ago and his second post ever here at SH... He also makes the textbook silly deflection of equating "Chinese OEM products" to "stuff being made in China", as if the first isn't much worse than the second (made in China is bad enough, but buying "OEM Chinese" is a much higher level of bad).
This thread has potential!
Why do you act like you "think" you're the only one who knows these subjects?Do tell us about RRS' internal cost structure, gross and net margins, and everything else you think you know.
Please do.
My IQ is higher than yours, for sure.Why do you act like you "think" you're the only one who knows these subjects?
Please, do tell us how you have the highest IQ?
Both, Ideal and Fluke have manufacturing facilities in china. Which I lock them up in my milwaukee toolbox, wich, intresting enough, some are made in china! How old are you kid?I hope all your Klein, Fluke, and Ideal brand tools get stolen and you can only afford to replace them with Chinese counterfeit!
You think it could go all the way?Joined two weeks ago and his second post ever here at SH... He also makes the textbook silly deflection of equating "Chinese OEM products" to "stuff being made in China", as if the first isn't much worse than the second (made in China is bad enough, but buying "OEM Chinese" is a much higher level of bad).
This thread has potential!
Have you not been following anything he's been saying?Both, Ideal and Fluke have manufacturing facilities in china. Which I lock them up in my milwaukee toolbox, wich, intresting enough, some are made in china! How old are you kid?
You've shown us how superior you are./sI guess everyone was expecting to just take thismansman's word for it and have no one debate him on his reason(s) why everyone should buy RRS and not the copy (<this says everything), that worksreallywell. I havewokenawakened the haters that can't take constructive criticism.There'sthere are no "Bots" here, plain me here, ("plain me here" is another odd wording for a native English speaker) yes I'm an electrician in the valley of desert. (What's "the valley of desert"? I've never seen this reference to anywhere in the US/Arizona.)
Thathashave seen prices get ridiculous on items that normally wouldn't be. (< based on what criteria?) As far as tripods go, I have 2 different ones at home that perform identical. One cost 1/3 of the other's price. I'm asking why is that, make it make sense to me, if you can.(?) Because the original creator could not! All he says is, the(that) he despises the copy manufacturer. But, Leofoto looks to be a legit manufacturer.
Look at Nissan and Toyota! Chevy and Ford! Lucid and Teslaisare the most recent! Leofoto is giving RRS a run foritsits $$$. They even have sponsors in shooting competitions, so that means that professionals are taking interest! (Sponsorship means nothing more than a financial agreement in hopes of increasing sales. It does not mean a product is as good or good at all) Think your cool because you think I'm not American? I belive shooters in South Africa are trying to buy RRS, even in Europe. What?, you're ok with them using it or having something positive to say about that?. But when someone challengesyou'reyour structured belief system, you suddenly feel the need toopressoppress that person, well eat a dick asshole! I'm Hispanic and not a bot or asian as mr carbon basedjefes dopeJefe's Dope thinks! Man, you guys suck! I'd love to run into you one day. Whatever you picture meassas, delete that, asshole! You'd be surprised when you do see me, probably run like the little bitch you are! <Is this a threat?
So, in your belief, the chinese aren't capable of building a quality product?.Again with the false moral equivalence between "OEM Chinese stuff" and "having stuff made in China"! As is typical of people with sociopathic personality traits, he also immediately plays internet tough guy! LMFAO! Hahahaha
Chinese OEMs literally just counterfeit products but at a lower quality so the reliability and durability aren't good, but there are always cheap suckers willing to buy them and defend those stupid purchases!
Hahahaha! Dude you make me laugh!So, in your belief, the chinese aren't capable of building a quality product?.
I'm not sure if you're aware that OEM stands for "original equipment manufacture". Where it comes from has no regard as to the quality. OEM is company that makes a product to be sold by another company under its own name.
200 bucks???? My RRS soar seriers 3 tripod was $1,600.00!! My leofoto was near $500.00. On another note, nearly every other gadget, device, appliance in your home, and mine, including every other person on here, are made in china! What? You're going to throw it all out? Go look at where your cabinets, shower heads, your tootbrush. Just go look and tell me they're all made here?It's not that western companies are 'overcharging'- the Chinese OEMs are UNDERCUTTING on price because they're able to use slave labor, aren't burdened by lots of regulations and taxes, very low design/development/R&D costs, low marketing costs, and the CCP manipulates their currency to hurt the western world. They literally counterfeit products with impunity and have no regard for their countrymen getting decent wages!
"Forget about what they did to the world with exporting the Wuhan virus, about their intentional spreading of propaganda to undermine American culture- because I saved me two hundred bucks on a tripod!"
I hate democrats for their lack of patriotism.
Go look at where your cabinets, shower heads, your tootbrush. Just go look and tell me they're all made here?
I don't recall ever stating how superior I am. My only objective, is to show that Leofoto is a fantastic performer. And that RRS sucks for costing so much! That's all, but you fan boys got a dick up your ass over it! Love my RRS soar series 3 tripod! I try to buy American made when it will allow me to. But there's times I have to put my foot down, and try the alternative. You all seem to think you're so superior over anyone challenging you. But you have not demonstrated anything here that resembles that.You've shown us how superior you are./s
Lol, said the, " Fan boy".It's hilarious that you keep pretending you're making relevant comparisons, but I understand you're a one trick pony! Don't ever change!
I'm laughing at you as well. Kids will be kids. "OEM!"Hahahaha! Dude you make me laugh!
I wI don't even own a tripod! But I'll never buy a counterfeit, nor a "Chinese OEM" anything! Lenovo computers was bought by the Chinese so I don't buy that shit. General Electric is now fully owned by the Chinese so I don't buy it. Milwaukee & Ryobi, Leofoto and Holosun- so I don't buy that crap.
The Chinese have stolen enough of our industries like consumer electronics and computing devices, so I'm not gonna help them steal any of our shooting sports industries.
Get off your moral low horse. Just admit you have no ethical or moral qualms about buying the OEM stuff of Chinese companies- and move on. We're done here.
Listen kid, you think your on a higher mountain. But you're not. We are done, but you have proven nothing here. You have shown us that you can use a computer to search on Google to try to debunk. As well as other dickheads here. All over a stupid 1700 dollar tripod that is probably making some other asshole rich as fuck! When me, the little guy, just like you amd every other asshole on here can benefit from a lower price that performs just as well. Regardless where it came from, there's no wining that subject for you or me! Because of facts I have mentioned! But you want to force this narrative on me and anyone else on here that your opinion matters more than mine!I don't even own a tripod! But I'll never buy a counterfeit, nor a "Chinese OEM" anything! Lenovo computers was bought by the Chinese so I don't buy that shit. General Electric is now fully owned by the Chinese so I don't buy it. Milwaukee & Ryobi, Leofoto and Holosun- so I don't buy that crap.
The Chinese have stolen enough of our industries like consumer electronics and computing devices, so I'm not gonna help them steal any of our shooting sports industries.
Get off your moral low horse. Just admit you have no ethical or moral qualms about buying the OEM stuff of Chinese companies- and move on. We're done here.
I completely understand your position.@Sparkynation480
Apologies not seeing the notifications earlier. The original intent of this thread was not telling people not to buy Chinese products. In the original message I said there are plenty of other products out there that will work.
The intent of the thread (4 years ago) was bringing up the values and morals of a company, international or otherwise. And do we want to support these type of actions, more of a PSA.
New shooters, new competitors, Military and LE members learn about products that we (as shooters, test and push out via word of mouth). I personally will not recommend a product to someone from a company with questionable values. The naming structure of their division was copied, the actual products were copied, our photos (faces and gear) were copied and photoshopped onto their products and websites, I mean come on, that is where the thread came from.
More recently GrayOps CNC had a product copied as well but the PRS nation was quick to publicly debate it and there was a quick apology saying they didn't realize they copied someone else's product exactly, then did it again to AbelCo USA right afterwards, who is also a sponsor of this site. It is happening to more and more small businesses that shoot and push to make new gear and innovations.
If we as shooters don't bring it up, how are people suppose to know.
Whatever you picture me ass, delete that asshole! You'd be surprised when you do see me, probably run like the little bitch you are!
Feels an awful lot like a superiority complex.I don't recall ever stating how superior I am.
Oooo your feelings are the reason for your superiority complex? That makes a lot of sense now. I meant to say valley in the desert mr google search. O wait, since everything has to be written to ypur standards. It's "Mr. Google search".Feels an awful lot like a superiority complex.
Can you tell us where the valley of the desert is and where that term comes from?
Lmao, now we know why you're so dang but hurt! Dam, discoveries are awesome! Amazing how nowhere was politics mentioned and now here comes 45 to save the day.When Trump wins the legitimate vote for the third time, hopefully he'll list all these Chicoms as "Military goods" so we can ban their import and protect the western companies from the predatory practices of the CCP.
Lmao, now we know why you're so dang but hurt! Dam, discoveries are awesome! Amazing how nowhere was politics mentioned and now here comes 45 to save the dayWhen Trump wins the legitimate vote for the third time, hopefully he'll list all these Chicoms as "Military goods" so we can ban their import and protect the western companies from the predatory practices of the CCP.
I wasn’t gonna say it, but yes, there it is.
I wasn’t gonna say it, but yes, there it is.
How original, watch TikTok much? You TikTok brain! Proud to say that you would probably think of me next time you operate any 3 phase motors or when you pass by a sky scraper and you see the cool LED lights or when you enter a cool or warm room. Yeah that was me that probably help put it all together. I resell my items on Ebay that I don't use, but are still good, anymore. Man you guys are all judgemental pricks.Tell me you're a Chinese Leofoto reseller on Amazon without telling me you're a Chinese Leofoto reseller on Amazon.
Lmao, now we know why you're so dang but hurt! Dam, discoveries are awesome! Amazing how nowhere was politics mentioned and now here comes 45 to save the dayWhen Trump wins the legitimate vote for the third time, hopefully he'll list all these Chicoms as "Military goods" so we can ban their import and protect the western companies from the predatory practices of the CCP.
I wasn’t gonna say it, but yes, there it is.
I wasn’t gonna say it, but yes, there it is.
I don't challenge your point at all here, I paid for one! It's not a point I'm trying to advocate for here. It's a statement with my opinion. The original creator to this thread brought up the subject of engineers wages, not myself. I can care less what the market will bear, I speak for myself and anyone who enjoys the good things in life without having to pay these ridiculous prices! You can't tell me that there isn't a manufacture that has overpriced items!It's also a ridiculous point to make, if it's a bot then that is why. It's completely irrelevant what the engineer is paid, or anyone else is paid. Prices are based on what the market will bare , not "what's fair for an engineer". Obviously, the market will bear the prices RRS sells for, they are quite popular.
Dude, you are transparently Chinese.I appreciate your kind response.
Ok fine. You are not not Chinese. You win.I am fully aware that I am not chinese. You sir are basically saying that it's ok to buy from greedy manufacturers, that overprice their items. Let's give them our hard earned money for the sake of making them even more rich than they already are!
I don't have the slightest idea of what was invested to come up with this tech and these products. I do know that I've invested my entire life and decades of very long hard days to obtain the expert level that I am at in my own profession. I command a fair price for that lifelong investment and known quality product. It's not just a matter of "how many hours did it take to make this"? It's a ton of other risks, MAJOR SACRIFICES , and tons of other expenses that culminate in a top notch product being made. That product then is sold for what people are willing to pay for it.Lmao, now we know why you're so dang but hurt! Dam, discoveries are awesome! Amazing how nowhere was politics mentioned and now here comes 45 to save the day
I don't challenge your point at all here, I paid for one! It's not a point I'm trying to advocate for here. It's a statement with my opinion. The original creator to this thread brought up the subject of engineers wages, not myself. I can care less what the market will bear, I speak for myself and anyone who enjoys the good things in life without having to pay these ridiculous prices! You can't tell me that there isn't a manufacture that has overpriced items!
As of late, Spark’s been working on his/herHow eristic of you.
I own both the RRS and the Fatboy. Both are great,but the RRS is more stable no question about it. I'm certain that someone with more tripod experience could outshoot me with a lesser tripod however that is a different conversation...I got a deal for a Fatboy tripod. It's half the cost of a RRS tripod. Holds my rifles up just fine. And the question still stands, what does the RRS tripod at double the cost of a Leofoto/fatboy tripod offer to justify the exorbitant cost? The fatboy isn't any less stable, doesn't hold any less weight and isn't any less reliable.
That's how I know I hit a button! Lol love it! The only comebacks, are to presumably offend me. Lol that's all you got? Wait sorry. That's all you have? That doctor must have slapped the shit out of you when you were born. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a real, loud, cry baby here.As of late, Spark’s been working on his/hervocabularyChatGPT.
What time is it there in Zhongshan? 5:30am?