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I F'n despise Leofoto and other Chinese knockoff specialists
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It's also a ridiculous point to make, if it's a bot then that is why. It's completely irrelevant what the engineer is paid, or anyone else is paid. Prices are based on what the market will bare , not "what's fair for an engineer". Obviously, the market will bear the prices RRS sells for, they are quite popular.
Well i do use some Leofotos and also retail them , plus retailed RRS , while RRS is better than Leofoto , has both stiffer legs and apex at same size tripods, but difference is nowhere near what you would expect at the cost difference and lately Leofoto churned out lots of new tripods and heads that are actually better tailored than RRS for rifle use, with one-handed leg manipulation on the X series not to mention the multitude of head options not available on RRS
While Leofoto had many products that obviously copied features from RRS , maybe RRS should take a peek at Leofoto products as they are developing much faster than RRS + they are actually available.
Other thing with RRS ,for a retailers they have an unreasonably high threshold of minimal order quantity for any proper discount, in turn pushing end customer prices into the untenable ground. (imagine the prices for RRS over the pond) so only customers that would pay our RRS retail prices are the Military , taxpayer can always be fleeced some more.No wonder that niche is filling with alternative offerings.
Hate to break it to folks that think its about paying engineers or workers , no its about setting a price folks are willing to pay for a quality product, like it's with 500$ scope mounts and 1000$ bipods. Could be sold for much less, but why if folks are willing to pay.
While Leofoto had many products that obviously copied features from RRS , maybe RRS should take a peek at Leofoto products as they are developing much faster than RRS + they are actually available.
Other thing with RRS ,for a retailers they have an unreasonably high threshold of minimal order quantity for any proper discount, in turn pushing end customer prices into the untenable ground. (imagine the prices for RRS over the pond) so only customers that would pay our RRS retail prices are the Military , taxpayer can always be fleeced some more.No wonder that niche is filling with alternative offerings.
Hate to break it to folks that think its about paying engineers or workers , no its about setting a price folks are willing to pay for a quality product, like it's with 500$ scope mounts and 1000$ bipods. Could be sold for much less, but why if folks are willing to pay.
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Adding shipping can move prices up quite a bit too, depending on where the customer is.
Do tell us about RRS' internal cost structure, gross and net margins, and everything else you think you know.
Please do.
Import over the pond ads roughly 1,7x on US retail , cost only , if you add some dealer margin you are pushing 2+x US retail pricing
So our customer gets 4-5x equivalent Leofotos for one RRS TFTC , if we upgrade Leofoto to siffer 40mm tube model and heavy MH60 ballhead its still 3-4 : 1 and i can throw in sloped roof feet
and tac tables for free.Have a peek at Euro RRS prices , note Euro is cca 1.11USD ,i guess Poltec also does not sell enough to qualify for RRS dealer discount.
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Honestly i do not care , have experience retailing both , using both enough to have an opinion and i am just happy to see other brands stepping up with 'shooting-oriented' tripods
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Lmao. Was born in the U.S.A and grandparents born in Mexico on mother's side, with dads side born in spain! O boy, someone bit their own tounge. You must have been that bully I stomped on his ass for beating up on the weak!
I guess everyone was expecting to just take this mans word for it and have no one debate him on his reason why everyone should buy RRS and not the copy, that works really well. I have woken the haters that can't take constructive criticism. There's no "Bots" here, plain me here, yes I'm an electrician in the valley of desert.
That has seen prices get ridiculous on items that normally wouldn't be. As far as tripods go, I have 2 different ones at home that perform identical. One cost 1/3 of the other's price. I'm asking why is that, make it make sense to me, if you can. Because the original creator could not! All he says, is the he despises the copy manufacturer. But, Leofoto looks to be a legit manufacturer.
Look at Nissan and Toyota! Chevy and Ford! Lucid and Tesla is most recent! Leofoto is giving RRS a run for it's $$$. They even have sponsors in shooting competitions, so that means that professionals are taking interest! Think your cool because you think I'm not American? I belive shooters in South Africa are trying to buy RRS, even in Europe. What?, you're ok with them using it or having something positive to say about that?. But when someone challenges you're structured belief system, you suddenly feel the need to opress that person, well eat a dick asshole! I'm Hispanic and not a bot or asian as mr carbon based jefes dope thinks! Man you guys suck! I'd love to run into you one day. Whatever you picture me ass, delete that asshole! You'd be surprised when you do see me, probably run like the little bitch you are!
That has seen prices get ridiculous on items that normally wouldn't be. As far as tripods go, I have 2 different ones at home that perform identical. One cost 1/3 of the other's price. I'm asking why is that, make it make sense to me, if you can. Because the original creator could not! All he says, is the he despises the copy manufacturer. But, Leofoto looks to be a legit manufacturer.
Look at Nissan and Toyota! Chevy and Ford! Lucid and Tesla is most recent! Leofoto is giving RRS a run for it's $$$. They even have sponsors in shooting competitions, so that means that professionals are taking interest! Think your cool because you think I'm not American? I belive shooters in South Africa are trying to buy RRS, even in Europe. What?, you're ok with them using it or having something positive to say about that?. But when someone challenges you're structured belief system, you suddenly feel the need to opress that person, well eat a dick asshole! I'm Hispanic and not a bot or asian as mr carbon based jefes dope thinks! Man you guys suck! I'd love to run into you one day. Whatever you picture me ass, delete that asshole! You'd be surprised when you do see me, probably run like the little bitch you are!
Wtf does me joining 2 weeks ago have anything to do with my reply to the creator?
Let's make the potential grow.
I got a deal for a Fatboy tripod. It's half the cost of a RRS tripod. Holds my rifles up just fine. And the question still stands, what does the RRS tripod at double the cost of a Leofoto/fatboy tripod offer to justify the exorbitant cost? The fatboy isn't any less stable, doesn't hold any less weight and isn't any less reliable.
Why do you act like you "think" you're the only one who knows these subjects?
Please, do tell us how you have the highest IQ?
My IQ is higher than yours, for sure.
BTW How come your english is so good now?
Things that make you go hmmmmmm........
That's a grand stament there, I'd love to see those test scores. Probably base this statement because you scored high on your cognitive test? Lol
Both, Ideal and Fluke have manufacturing facilities in china. Which I lock them up in my milwaukee toolbox, wich, intresting enough, some are made in china! How old are you kid?I hope all your Klein, Fluke, and Ideal brand tools get stolen and you can only afford to replace them with Chinese counterfeit!
You've shown us how superior you are./s
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So, in your belief, the chinese aren't capable of building a quality product?.Again with the false moral equivalence between "OEM Chinese stuff" and "having stuff made in China"! As is typical of people with sociopathic personality traits, he also immediately plays internet tough guy! LMFAO! Hahahaha
Chinese OEMs literally just counterfeit products but at a lower quality so the reliability and durability aren't good, but there are always cheap suckers willing to buy them and defend those stupid purchases!
I'm not sure if you're aware that OEM stands for "original equipment manufacture". Where it comes from has no regard as to the quality. OEM is company that makes a product to be sold by another company under its own name.
Man, every forum and comment board is full of foreign trolls these days. Kind of a waste of time replying, but I guess it's fun for some.
200 bucks???? My RRS soar seriers 3 tripod was $1,600.00!! My leofoto was near $500.00. On another note, nearly every other gadget, device, appliance in your home, and mine, including every other person on here, are made in china! What? You're going to throw it all out? Go look at where your cabinets, shower heads, your tootbrush. Just go look and tell me they're all made here?
The present “American Standard of Living” is both unsustainable and now unaffordable without China, just saying…
I don't recall ever stating how superior I am. My only objective, is to show that Leofoto is a fantastic performer. And that RRS sucks for costing so much! That's all, but you fan boys got a dick up your ass over it! Love my RRS soar series 3 tripod! I try to buy American made when it will allow me to. But there's times I have to put my foot down, and try the alternative. You all seem to think you're so superior over anyone challenging you. But you have not demonstrated anything here that resembles that.
Lol, said the, " Fan boy".It's hilarious that you keep pretending you're making relevant comparisons, but I understand you're a one trick pony! Don't ever change!
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Listen kid, you think your on a higher mountain. But you're not. We are done, but you have proven nothing here. You have shown us that you can use a computer to search on Google to try to debunk. As well as other dickheads here. All over a stupid 1700 dollar tripod that is probably making some other asshole rich as fuck! When me, the little guy, just like you amd every other asshole on here can benefit from a lower price that performs just as well. Regardless where it came from, there's no wining that subject for you or me! Because of facts I have mentioned! But you want to force this narrative on me and anyone else on here that your opinion matters more than mine!
Well, fuck your narrative or opinion, I'm packing my shit and I'm out to shoot happily. I love my country where we have all gathered, Chinese, Barizilians, Cubans, Russians Koreans South Africans, and my peeps from Mexico and Spain! That's the point you all can't take, because you're all set in your ways and THE CAUCASIAN ANGLO WHITE, WHATEVER THE FUCK THINKS THEY'RE SUPERIOR TO THE REST OF US.
@Sparkynation480
Apologies not seeing the notifications earlier. The original intent of this thread was not telling people not to buy Chinese products. In the original message I said there are plenty of other products out there that will work.
The intent of the thread (4 years ago) was bringing up the values and morals of a company, international or otherwise. And do we want to support these type of actions, more of a PSA.
New shooters, new competitors, Military and LE members learn about products that we (as shooters, test and push out via word of mouth). I personally will not recommend a product to someone from a company with questionable values. The naming structure of their division was copied, the actual products were copied, our photos (faces and gear) were copied and photoshopped onto their products and websites, I mean come on, that is where the thread came from.
More recently GrayOps CNC had a product copied as well but the PRS nation was quick to publicly debate it and there was a quick apology saying they didn't realize they copied someone else's product exactly, then did it again to AbelCo USA right afterwards, who is also a sponsor of this site. It is happening to more and more small businesses that shoot and push to make new gear and innovations.
If we as shooters don't bring it up, how are people suppose to know.
Apologies not seeing the notifications earlier. The original intent of this thread was not telling people not to buy Chinese products. In the original message I said there are plenty of other products out there that will work.
The intent of the thread (4 years ago) was bringing up the values and morals of a company, international or otherwise. And do we want to support these type of actions, more of a PSA.
New shooters, new competitors, Military and LE members learn about products that we (as shooters, test and push out via word of mouth). I personally will not recommend a product to someone from a company with questionable values. The naming structure of their division was copied, the actual products were copied, our photos (faces and gear) were copied and photoshopped onto their products and websites, I mean come on, that is where the thread came from.
More recently GrayOps CNC had a product copied as well but the PRS nation was quick to publicly debate it and there was a quick apology saying they didn't realize they copied someone else's product exactly, then did it again to AbelCo USA right afterwards, who is also a sponsor of this site. It is happening to more and more small businesses that shoot and push to make new gear and innovations.
If we as shooters don't bring it up, how are people suppose to know.
I completely understand your position.
It would be nice to see those prices coming down a bit. That will probably never change, wishful thinking. I have plenty of rifles that I take with me to practice. I'd love to have more than one or two tripods instead of having to remove. If that soar series 3 was around 1000, I'd be more inclined to make that purchase. But at this time I use my 300 prc bolt action on that RRS, I use my gas system on Leofoto. I have multiple brands of firearms, as well as ammo, I have my reloading room as well, where I have a multitude of products. Different manufacturers, the same with my tripods,
There's no getting away from Chinese knock off, the reason this is a big deal is because your product has huge price tag.
I appreciate your kind response.
Feels an awful lot like a superiority complex.
Can you tell us where the valley of the desert is and where that term comes from?
When Trump wins the legitimate vote for the third time, hopefully he'll list all these Chicoms as "Military goods" so we can ban their import and protect the western companies from the predatory practices of the CCP.
signed- a patriotic American of Portuguese and Italian blood.
signed- a patriotic American of Portuguese and Italian blood.
Oooo your feelings are the reason for your superiority complex? That makes a lot of sense now. I meant to say valley in the desert mr google search. O wait, since everything has to be written to ypur standards. It's "Mr. Google search".
Lmao, now we know why you're so dang but hurt! Dam, discoveries are awesome! Amazing how nowhere was politics mentioned and now here comes 45 to save the day.
Lmao, now we know why you're so dang but hurt! Dam, discoveries are awesome! Amazing how nowhere was politics mentioned and now here comes 45 to save the day
How original, watch TikTok much? You TikTok brain! Proud to say that you would probably think of me next time you operate any 3 phase motors or when you pass by a sky scraper and you see the cool LED lights or when you enter a cool or warm room. Yeah that was me that probably help put it all together. I resell my items on Ebay that I don't use, but are still good, anymore. Man you guys are all judgemental pricks.
Lmao, now we know why you're so dang but hurt! Dam, discoveries are awesome! Amazing how nowhere was politics mentioned and now here comes 45 to save the day
I don't challenge your point at all here, I paid for one! It's not a point I'm trying to advocate for here. It's a statement with my opinion. The original creator to this thread brought up the subject of engineers wages, not myself. I can care less what the market will bear, I speak for myself and anyone who enjoys the good things in life without having to pay these ridiculous prices! You can't tell me that there isn't a manufacture that has overpriced items!
Dude, you are transparently Chinese.
Also, your argument boils down to:
It’s ok to buy products from a known patent infringer because I deserve it (and I am cheap).
I am fully aware that I am not chinese. You sir are basically saying that it's ok to buy from greedy manufacturers, that overprice their items. Let's give them our hard earned money for the sake of making them even more rich than they already are!
Ok fine. You are not not Chinese. You win.
I don't have the slightest idea of what was invested to come up with this tech and these products. I do know that I've invested my entire life and decades of very long hard days to obtain the expert level that I am at in my own profession. I command a fair price for that lifelong investment and known quality product. It's not just a matter of "how many hours did it take to make this"? It's a ton of other risks, MAJOR SACRIFICES , and tons of other expenses that culminate in a top notch product being made. That product then is sold for what people are willing to pay for it.
The only reason there is any similar alternative is because our broken system and politicians allowing China to steal from us without consequences.
You do what you want, but don't pretend that somehow RRS is not being forthright because they charge a lot for their product, that isn't the case. I do think their stuff is overpriced, but only from the perspective that they'd sell more if it were a little less ans ultimately make more money. A BUSINESS'S ONLY REASON TO EXIST IS TO MAKE MONEY. All that said, RRS stays pretty much sold out of a lot of their stuff so maybe they are right where they should be?
You may be correct sir. It still doesn't make it right to enable greed at it's core. Because I genuinely believe RRS is being greedy, where they assumed they held monopoly. Leofoto may have copied, however, I see that they also have designs that RRS does not. I've searched to see who they may have copied, with zero success. So this brings another topic, Nissan and Toyota both make reliable vehicles, yet they have similar designs. They are both Japanese companies that have manufacturing plants here in the USA. They, also have ridiculous prices, yet I also own a 2023 Tundra! Made in Texas! What the heck does it matter anymore?. Titan or Tundra very similar. I get that you all think I'm ok with buying from a copy cat, I don't condone this behavior. It's sad that it has to happen to achieve a fair price, I'm not happy that it has to happen, but it sure does feel good with the extra money I saved. I will always try buy the original and with a tag that says made in USA! But I personally do have a limit, and I feel RRS pushed me to look at Leofoto with those ridiculous prices! No one has to follow my path. But I'm here on this forum replying to the original creator of this thread. Everyone else thought they could bully me because their opinion wasn't mine.
As of late, Spark’s been working on his/her
What time is it there in Zhongshan? 5:30am?
I cannot afford an RRS and never could. Does that mean I’m too poor to shoot and be part of this community?
Our unions, the government and everyday people created the opportunity for Chinese goods to infiltrate and essentially replace our manufacturing base. The greed of so many Americans did it.
Anytime an item is priced on the high end of a market, there will be competition and there will be those that will infringe on patents and intellectual property in order to make their bundle. It just so happens that the Chinese took advantage of a market that we created for them.
Do I support them? Hell no, because they are bent on destroying our way of life. Would someone else do the same? You bet your ass.
Our unions, the government and everyday people created the opportunity for Chinese goods to infiltrate and essentially replace our manufacturing base. The greed of so many Americans did it.
Anytime an item is priced on the high end of a market, there will be competition and there will be those that will infringe on patents and intellectual property in order to make their bundle. It just so happens that the Chinese took advantage of a market that we created for them.
Do I support them? Hell no, because they are bent on destroying our way of life. Would someone else do the same? You bet your ass.
I own both the RRS and the Fatboy. Both are great,but the RRS is more stable no question about it. I'm certain that someone with more tripod experience could outshoot me with a lesser tripod however that is a different conversation...
