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Are AI jokes allowed?Just substitute the phrase, “I’m just a working’ man, I don’t have the scratch for a USA-made tripod right now, so I bought a Chinese tripod clone,”
with the phrase
“I’m just a working’ man, I don’t have the scratch for a USA-made RIFLE right now, so I bought a Chinese RIFLE clone,” and some interesting things might start happening in your brain.
No Tikka jokes allowed lol.
Damnit, I just knew someone would bring up AI! Touché.Are AI jokes allowed?
I'm not following this vs the earlier example. what is the disconnect in cost estimates?
Or FN, or Tikka, or SAKO, or Winchester, or Browning, or Beretta, or, or, or...Damnit, I just knew someone would bring up AI! Touché.
Isnt there a thread right now about buying millions of primers from Russia? Or is this reasoning only for Chinese goods? You never really see people all up in arms when they talk about buying AKs by the crate, Bakelite magazines, Russian illuminators, or cheap 7.62 x 39I understand the cost perspective for many when choosing product X over product Y based on cost, but how much more clear does it need to be that China is not a friend of the good ol USA, or any of it's close Allies. Remember when China held our Navy (and one Air Force) EP-3 Aircrew hostage after the midair collision and forcing down of the aircraft in the South China Sea? Do you think that was a one-off incident? They continue to harass our military aircraft and ships operating in/over international waters.
If another container ship never departed China destined for North America again, I would be more than pleasantly happy.
Don't buy crap from our enemy!
Shhhhh, fellas, the point/joke would not be as not as funny/sharp if I wrote, “I’m just a working’ man, I don’t have the scratch for a USA/UK/French/Czech/Canadian/[insert first world country here] tripod right now, so I bought a Chinese tripod clone,”Or FN, or Tikka, or SAKO, or Winchester, or Browning, or Beretta, or, or, or...
Here’s how I think about it:Isnt there a thread right now about buying millions of primers from Russia? Or is this reasoning only for Chinese goods? You never really see people all up in arms when they talk about buying AKs by the crate, Bakelite magazines, Russian illuminators, or cheap 7.62 x 39
Have to take Tikka off that list. He said no Tikka jokes.Or FN, or Tikka, or SAKO, or Winchester, or Browning, or Beretta, or, or, or...
Lefty here is my joke-bouncer. He guards my jokes. He’s got two huge guns. One on each upper arm.Have to take Tikka off that list. He said no Tikka jokes.
I’m curious about the groups thoughts on the new Vortex tripods and Ballheads... they are made in China and seem to be very similar to RRS / Leofoto
Made in the USA? I ask because most companies crow about that pretty loudly, however, I can’t find any reference to the country of origin of their products on their site...Right now that most likely going to be the new Rocky Mountain Tactical Supports tripod with an RRS Anvil 30 on top. I could have bought the Chinese knock off long ago, but I owe to myself, and my fellow American to not willing give away my money to foreign governments who ripped off American citizens and stole their designs.
Agreed, but take a look at the new vortex tripod and ball head... the similarity in the industrial design is... well... uncannyThere are only so many ways you can make 3 sticks that meet in the middle...
I wouldn’t own anything Nike produces.There's a reason why Nike doesn't sell anything on Amazon. Amazon wouldn't do anything to get rid of the counterfeit Nike products, and Nike didn't feel like competing against all the knock-offs on there and pulled the plug.
Agreed, but take a look at the new vortex tripod and ball head... the similarity in the industrial design is... well... uncanny
so it could not possibly be that RRS and other american companies charge more because the americans that work for them are paid a decent wage and not 20 yuan/hr.Exactly , much of Vortex lineup is chicom made as are many of other optics brands . In the end of the day , its the customer that is driving the products.
As for RRS , their pricing is ridiculously over the top and now everyone pretending like Chicoms don't make just about every tripod and photo accessory in the world ,98+% of all the carbon fiber tubing for tripods etc. There is no real reason for the Chicom clone of RRS to perform significantly worse than RRS .
Manufacturers making 700$ bipods, 500$ scope mounts,300$ muzzle brakes,1200$ suppresors or 1500$ tripods should not wonder that folks are looking at better bang for the buck, as they are not it.
As for IP particularly Patent law these were outdated 100y ago and are outdated today, killing innovation then and now.
One interesting example of patents and market are 3d printers that still wouldn't exist for every man if Stratasys patent on FDM did not run out in 2009 , then a bunch of folks kicked of open-source RepRap movement and every 'affordable' 3d printer you can buy since has been built of that , you can view it as folks using Stratasys inventions or Stratasys blocking everyone from making own development for 20years which is the reality of the impact a FDM patent had on the industry.. As more patents on FDM run out these days 3d prnter tech you can afford is really exploding.
And like every other industry bunch of these patents are akin to rounded corners on I-phone, shooting industry is full of patents on similar things. In some industries, these things are getting abused beyond any reason and are costing you lots of money every day(pharma industry)
i am a poor, and i didn't buy a chinama tripod, bipod, scope, rifle or case.I only bought my RRS tripods to flex on the poors. It being made in America is an added bonus
That being said. It’s a shame other companies feel the need to rip off others to make a quick buck. But as long as people patronize them, they will continue to do it.
Totally agree.so it could not possibly be that RRS and other american companies charge more because the americans that work for them are paid a decent wage and not 20 yuan/hr.
i didn't know that. i thought they made everything they sold in california, about about an hour north of me.Accu-Tac keeps posting a chicom knock off of a J Allen chassis, and I keep calling them out on it to the tune of, “must not know what it’s like to have your products stolen and sold to your customers at fraction of the cost.”
Where is it made?Agreed, but take a look at the new vortex tripod and ball head... the similarity in the industrial design is... well... uncanny
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The stuff they make likely is, but they keep posting photos of one of their bipods on someone’s Archangel POS J Allen knock off.i didn't know that. i thought they made everything they sold in california, about about an hour north of me.
i suppose that might be considered chicom.
Mausingfield comes to mind. Footprint is 700 for aftermarket compatability. I remember seeing a company coming out with an aftermarket rifle based on a Tikka as well (ultimatum defacto).I get that people get loyal to brands, and other things. Ford VS chev for example. Who came out with anti lock brakes first, or power steering, etc. Does it matter ? Who copied who ?
What about the bolt action rifle. All after market clones are copying Remington. Who is copying Mauser. Who is copying.... Etc.
When it comes to bipods, and tripods, yes I agree emotions are high. The only real thing I'm reading here is "anti commie junk that's imported". Are we gonna rag on AI rifles, or H&K, or even Glock ? What about Aussie made products ?
That incident helped let china catchup 20 years of enlit and sigint tech. Ep3 were flying SCIFS with the most cutting edge tech we have.I understand the cost perspective for many when choosing product X over product Y based on cost, but how much more clear does it need to be that China is not a friend of the good ol USA, or any of it's close Allies. Remember when China held our Navy (and one Air Force) EP-3 Aircrew hostage after the midair collision and forcing down of the aircraft in the South China Sea? Do you think that was a one-off incident? They continue to harass our military aircraft and ships operating in/over international waters.
If another container ship never departed China destined for North America again, I would be more than pleasantly happy.
Don't buy crap from our enemy!
Price gouging does not exist.Totally agree.
Many people that claim to be free market capitalists and hate “socialism” etc etc etc are the same that complain when capitalism works (prices find an equilibrium at where enough people buy the product at a certain price to support the manufacturer).
I also have to laugh when they don’t see a problem with illegal immigration. “Who will pick our fruit?” they say with a sad face. “You must not believe in capitalism,” I retort. “Raise wages until Americans pick the crops, and price the product accordingly”.
I mean, RRS tripods aren’t medical goods or water, where price gouging has real consequences (not saying RRS is price gouging!). In those cases, clamp down hard on those bastards. No one would enjoy actual unconstraited capitalism…you wind up with a world Conan the Barbarian inhabits, and who kicks your ass and takes your daughters (wife too ugly).
You have got to be kidding me......Trademarks are the ticket to enforcement. Easy to see and understand with big "per use" penalty. Even Amazon and Ebay will honor trademarks.....
So it's more about "stop copying our gear and invent your own stuff", specifically at China ? Hey, I'm on board. We have it WAY worse in Aussieland, we stopped producing stuff years ago and sent it all off shore. Weirdly enough, it was little johnny howard, the same dropkick to introduces the gun steal.Mausingfield comes to mind. Footprint is 700 for aftermarket compatability. I remember seeing a company coming out with an aftermarket rifle based on a Tikka as well (ultimatum defacto).
Do we rag on Hk? Yes. Mostly because of German laws and that we can't get the real versions and haven't been nice to civilian ownership.
Glock? Yes. Personally I think they're ugly. Lots don't like.
AI? You left handed? Want a 223 bolt? They take forever getting stuff made.
What we aren't ragging on those companies for is making cheap inferior copies of other companies products. Aftermarket is higher quality than original.
No toilet paper for you!Price gouging does not exist.
Its a term for those who do not understand economics.
A term for those not on high horses.Price gouging does not exist.
Its a term for those who do not understand economics.
You do not have a right to toilet paper the same as you do not have a right to any other product or service.No toilet paper for you!
What a compassionate fellow.You do not have a right to toilet paper the same as you do not have a right to any other product or service.
Nor does the government have the right to force someone to produce or to sell a product or service.
That would be communism.
Is it compassionate to a stick a gun to someones head and force them to engage in commerce at a loss?What a compassionate fellow.