I F'n despise Leofoto and other Chinese knockoff specialists

#202
carbonbased said:
C'mon man.

Look at that old lady down the street. She's all alone. She can't drive anymore.

She can't pay her water bill.

CrabsandFootball: "She deserves to die a smelly death. No toilet action for her! No clothes washing either! No showers! Cooking? Ha! Let her pay a delivery service! (forgot she doesn't have any money)"

Lighten up, Francis.

We're all in this together, and no one gets out alive.
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Cool then its fine for someone to stick a gun to your head and take what is yours because she is in "need".

While were on the subject, deserve has nothing to do with it.
 
#203
Tokay444 said:
No one is advocating letting her die in her own shit.
He’s saying no one should be forced to look after her.
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He's saying he should not have to pay any taxes to pay people to look after her.

From a practical perspective, it's the same thing. If there were no taxes for this sort of safety net, old ladies (and men) dying in their own filth would happen much more often.

Some day you may be sick. Some day you may lose all of your money. Some day everyone that you love may be gone, or they don't return the love. Go to a house of worship? Doesn't matter which type. Think about the teachings…I mean, what country exists without taxes and some minimum form of social safety net? Perhaps certain folks would enjoy a near-zero deregulatory environment like, oh, Somalia or parts of Afghanistan?

Anyway, we're getting into Bear Pit territory, hmmmm?
 
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benmuncie said:
One of the reasons I hate Amazon. They sell name brand, American made products, but list the chinese copies (exact colors, design, everything) before the patented product, and at half the price.
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i realize amazon is extremely convenient, especially for odds and ends, and especially with most of the stores closed.
i think it is time to forgo the easy way and say fuck them. i'll search far and wide before i will resort to using amazon again.
 
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theLBC said:
so it could not possibly be that RRS and other american companies charge more because the americans that work for them are paid a decent wage and not 20 yuan/hr.
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An under the belt jab. 🧻 🧻
Yes because there is so much labor involved in these products. It's one thing when you talk McMillan stocks that are still mostly hand made ( although if you look at the McMillan videos on the net it seems they went from nearly all Mexican laborers to Chinese ones in newer vids) or mostly machined parts where cost is as much or more a factor of the machine cost and productivity as it is labor cost.

End of the day most of these companies you would parade as paying 'mericans' decent wages , offshore much of their product lineup overseas, being that optics, backpacks, bipods, tripods, electronics etc , just about everything that is not required to be made in US by the customer, in textile products you can see companies having exact same products Berry compliant for US Gov order and Chinese for rest , your average gun owner is all up into chinese gear, total and absolute 'poor' gearwhore .
 
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Mr.BR said:
An under the belt jab. 🧻 🧻
Yes because there is so much labor involved in these products. It's one thing when you talk McMillan stocks that are still mostly hand made ( although if you look at the McMillan videos on the net it seems they went from nearly all Mexican laborers to Chinese ones in newer vids) or mostly machined parts where cost is as much or more a factor of the machine cost and productivity as it is labor cost.

End of the day most of these companies you would parade as paying 'mericans' decent wages , offshore much of their product lineup overseas, being that optics, backpacks, bipods, tripods, electronics etc , just about everything that is not required to be made in US by the customer, in textile products you can see companies having exact same products Berry compliant for US Gov order and Chinese for rest , your average gun owner is all up into chinese gear, total and absolute 'poor' gearwhore .
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seems like you are trying to move the goalposts for some reason.
yes, many larger companies have more affordable product lines made elsewhere, and until recently this wasn't a big problem for most.
i don't see how that can be used as an argument to bash on american made products you are perfectly free to avoid purchasing.
 
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theLBC said:
seems like you are trying to move the goalposts for some reason.
yes, many larger companies have more affordable product lines made elsewhere, and until recently this wasn't a big problem for most.
i don't see how that can be used as an argument to bash on american made products you are perfectly free to avoid purchasing.
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Like said below the belt jab , for folks that buy cheap Chinese made stuff every day and then mentally masturbate on the forum over made in USA and which companies are 'patriotic' or whatnot. In the end 'you pays your money' and if that is on Chinese ,Vietnamese ,Filipino or Made in US stuff that's your business.
 
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Mr.BR said:
Like said below the belt jab , for folks that buy cheap Chinese made stuff every day and then mentally masturbate on the forum over made in USA and which companies are 'patriotic' or whatnot. In the end 'you pays your money' and if that is on Chinese ,Vietnamese ,Filipino or Made in US stuff that's your business.
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while i am not going to argue that many americans have a plethora of cheap chinama junk in their homes, including some significant percentage of the hide, i suppose i just don't quite understand why you feel the need to attack the exceptions to this crap.
 
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hlee said:
The answer is a bit more nuanced. It is more like "Americans don't want those jobs, for what we are able to pay, for a good that Americans will buy, at a price they will pay, that allows the company to also make a profit worth the effort."
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He is right to some extent. We have a large sewing department in our plant and it’s nearly impossible to staff even at 17-18 / hour and full benefits.
Very few Americans will stand in front of a sewing machine and crank out parts at takt time and the few good seamstress we have are all Nearly retired.
Go find me a millennial that will sew for 8 hours a day
 
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bribassguy said:
He is right to some extent. We have a large sewing department in our plant and it’s nearly impossible to staff even at 17-18 / hour and full benefits.
Very few Americans will stand in front of a sewing machine and crank out parts at takt time and the few good seamstress we have are all Nearly retired.
Go find me a millennial that will sew for 8 hours a day
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I think you are missing something.

$17-18/hr is roughly $34,000-$36,000/year, 50 weeks, before taxes. If you offer paid vacation, those numbers go up slightly. After taxes, their take-home pay is in the $20,000 ballpark ($1666/month), depending what state they live in. Maybe couple thousand more/less, annually.

Man, that is nothing much to live on. Especially if you have kids, need a car, like to live inside, and have to eat.
 
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benmuncie said:
One of the reasons I hate Amazon. They sell name brand, American made products, but list the chinese copies (exact colors, design, everything) before the patented product, and at half the price.
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This could easily be made illegal, but Amazon is invincible and will continue to be. Amazon is a MESS to shop at now. Literally like a bazaar at your local county fair.
 
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China is not about cheap labor anymore, Mexico has been cheaper than China for a while even before tariffs , not to mention other really cheap popular offshoring countries like Vietnam or Philipines and India.
The price point difference in many products is not down in labor cost but whole industrial capability of theirs. And like mentioned low pay wages is not something you fill easily.The reality is you wouldn't really want most jobs the Chinese took unless you plan to settle couple dozen million more immigrants for cheap labor which seems to be Kameltoe Harris and the old demented puppets plan anyway.
 
#223
carbonbased said:
Perhaps we are miscommunicating, or I don't get your joke.

I'm asking where has a perfect free market worked before, on the country level? And how did it work out?

I'll add, if you don't have a country you can point to, then what country comes closest to your ideal?
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Where has it been tried?
 
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So this went in a crazy direction. Lets start why all of our cheap stuff is made in China. Many other countries had their chance over the last 50 years. Salesmen in South America didn't enjoy getting kidnapped or worrying about it. Mexico well same thing, yeah Africa same deal, middle east go figure. Hint-Company executives can go to China stay in a 5* hotel and walk the streets at night. Oh and China gives zero shits about their environment. On this labor thing just over a year ago anyone that wanted a job had one. If you couldn't find work then that was on you. So last year we were operating at a phenominal clip. Quality labor was no easy thing to find. I lost 100k on a couple of idiots I hired that never learned to stay off their phones or care about the gig. Eliminate this market situation right now go back to pre wuhan flu and tell me how in the hell are we going to make all of things you guys are talking about when we had no labor force? Everyone was working that wanted or needed a job. Without this Virus we were staring down one of the greatest free market shifts in labor wages in the history of this country. Why was that going to happen? Supply and demand. I was paying idiots 50k a year just to have bodies on site. Thats how bad it was.

Now back to ops issue. I have a friend that sells on Amazon. He has a system of running an item for sale x amount of weeks and x amount of inventory to move and he is done. Said at first it was Chinese companies would rip off his items. Amazon evolved and moves in with their brands of clones. At first he was pissed but learned to work the system to not get caught with inventory. I personally would never spend 1600 bucks on a tripod, not a funds issue. I am too cheap so therefore their will be less quality markets for people like me. Do I need a clone, no. I need a shitty tripod to put binos or a spotter on and Im good. I feel for companies like RRS that cant fight the Amazons and copycats. What is the answer? Who knows but I would say It would be pressing for me to find someone who has not been involved in this gray area. Who has actually paid for porn? Who hasn't picked up some movies overseas that were filmed sitting in the theater? The answer is in the middle somewhere. Maybe after free healthcare we can have some socialist stuff like equal legal representation like OJ Simpson got. Kwityurbeachn men and its nap time for me.
 
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30338 said:
I found it interesting that the Chinese army has 2 million Chinese spies across American industry, colleges, and government. Keep buying Chinese products and we all keep funding this attack. Its not going to end well.

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They have a hard time coming up with an original idea but they are great thieves.
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that's all they can do is steal other people's idea's. I think intellectually, they are some of the stupidest people breeding on the face of the earth. Not saying the people in general are bad, just stupid
 
#233
jinxx4ever said:
that's all they can do is steal other people's idea's. I think intellectually, they are some of the stupidest people breeding on the face of the earth. Not saying the people in general are bad, just stupid
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Funny thing about this forum is you can trash everybody except "the chosen people" with big noses and little hats who control Wall Street, the Fortune 500, media, academia, the courts, CIA, the entire government... but say anything about the JQ and you get banned.

Ever consider that China is the last place "the chosen people" haven't subdued? Kind of like 1930s Germany when AH told the globalist bankers and monetary funds get f-d so they instigated a war against them. Complete with six million stinking pieces of propaganda.
 
#234
jinxx4ever said:
that's all they can do is steal other people's idea's. I think intellectually, they are some of the stupidest people breeding on the face of the earth. Not saying the people in general are bad, just stupid
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I encourage you to do a little research on the advances in technology brought to the planet by people living in the land we call China - including gunpowder. You can find what you look for in any civilization.
 
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Frank Pee said:
Funny thing about this forum is you can trash everybody except "the chosen people" with big noses and little hats who control Wall Street, the Fortune 500, media, academia, the courts, CIA, the entire government... but say anything about the JQ and you get banned.

Ever consider that China is the last place "the chosen people" haven't subdued? Kind of like 1930s Germany when AH told the globalist bankers and monetary funds get f-d so they instigated a war against them. Complete with six million stinking pieces of propaganda.
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Did we really go from Chinese tripods to “Jewish banks of the 1930s started WWII over German bank loans and faked the Holocaust”?

HEY GUYS I FOUND THE NAZI THEY’VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ON TV!
 
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#237
theLBC said:
i realize amazon is extremely convenient, especially for odds and ends, and especially with most of the stores closed.
i think it is time to forgo the easy way and say fuck them. i'll search far and wide before i will resort to using amazon again.
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Except...
I don't mind using the outstanding search services provided by Bezos. I search for the items I am in need of and filter for Made in the USA, check the manufacturer and then go THAT website and search for the various options for purchase. I know it's a small fuck you but Bezos has to pay for that search time.
 
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srt-4_uk said:
Speaking to Alpine's post specifically. From military aspect, Russia is a peer/near peer. Is not an ally of the good ol USA. Has shot down and held american pilots. Routinely harassas our aircraft over international waters.
But as long as I can get primers, AK mags, and full power lasers, IDGAF. I'm not saying buy all the Chinese things, but if you are going to make up a reason to boycott, at least be consistent.

Stealing IP is a very valid reason not to buy from certain Chinese companies. Knowing money goes to the State is a very valid reason not to buy from Chinese companies.
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No They aren't. They are a 3rd world shithole with an economy the size of flordia with nukes. They have SOME modern EW tech but they would get wiped out in a weekend if we actually wanted to push their shit in.

They are probably more of an Ally to the US than any of the British Commonwealths nations. They don't collude with our intelligence community and spy on US to get around US domestic laws.

They shot down Gary powers in 1960 while he was violating International law by FLYING OVER the USSR. If Ruskie planes were doing the same thing we would have shot them down with air burst nuke tipped missiles. That was before VN, Panama, Grenada, GF1, Kosovo, GF2, Afg. The fucking Brits burned down DC in 1812, still holding a grudge.

Everyone harasses everyone elses shit. We fly our Spy planes 12 NM off the coast of every country to suck all all the intel we can. Our subs are in their waters listening. We killed a whole Battalion of Russian Mercs a few years ago in Syria.

Asshole Neo-cons and Democrats started all this shit with Russia back when they started the Arab Spring. Had nothing to do with democracy, it was to destabilize regions for profit. Syria was working with Russia to get pipelines to Europe. That fucks over the Saudi's and Turks. So what do we do? We start a war there and try to overthrow them.

The point is, Everyone does this shit and at the end of the day, the Russians would be a better Ally than just about everyone else, including many of our own who routinely fuck us.

I am sure RRS took no design ideas from anything else on the market. They invented the Carbon Fiber Tripod right? Tripods have existed since before the wheel. We all want to support America Companies and America Jobs but we have to be realistic. Most people arent going to pay 5 TIMES the price for essentially the same product. If the pricing was more in line with the market, it would be a much harder decision to make.

And I love my Anvil 30.
 
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Just discovered the bootleg version of the VYCE. Cheaper and looks similar, but a few dollars more for the RRS I THEN know it won't have durability issues and if needed they will warranty it. Can purchase the clone to save a few dollars and end up with a unusable version later when you need it the most, or possible that it might never have a problem but it's a gamble and money down the drain if it breaks. Same decision can be made on any product in any industry... (Note: I did not purchase the RRS VYCE or the LeoPhoto-Xi clone, but do have RRS products and am not sponsored.)
 
#245
hlee said:
Pretty f’n ballsy to take the name too...
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Chinese will post a pic of your product on their site. Order it and surprise. Just low end Chi com junk. Had a guy tell me that he knew one of our products came from China. It's on their web site etc. Told him no repeatedly. Finally told him to order a thousand and make big $ reselling them. He was in for a surprise.
 
#246
Hello sir!
I have made an account just to reply to this. I think your product is amazing, but not justifying it's price tag, I have the soar 3 w/ the bh-55. I think it's overpriced! Your engineers are greedy! And they should be ashamed! I'm gonna admit that I own also the Leofoto LH-55 LR with the LN-364C tripod. I do use this way more than my RRS system because I don't want my RRS getting banged up. I want it to look new for as long as I can. God forbid anything happening to it, I'm an electrician and I wouldn't have the budget for another one. I think everyone claiming that the leofoto isn't as reliable as the RRS is full of it. It most certainly will, I have pure experience, that it does. How is this possible is my next question. Which you're going to reply with time and effort of your engineers. I doubt the 1800.00 dollar price tag is equivalent to your engineers time. How many have been sold? X's that 1800.00 . I think that speaks for itself, not to mention the ones that got sold in the time I wrote this. There's a thin line between fair price and just plain greediness. You're only upset because it has come to light that it's a system that can be replicated successfully at a much lower price. I'm all for "made in usa". But I work along americans all day and foreigners, and usa workers want the most $$$ with the least amout of work. Seems to be confirmed with your statement here! Another note to take into consideration, look in your inventory of tools, gadgets, devices, appliances and or belongings that you may own, where are they all made? I doubt they are all made in the USA. I'm sure there's something in that inventory that, the day you purchased it, you said, " aaaaaaaaaa.... this chinese knock off is just as good as the usa one", and you pulled the trigger to purchase. Anyway, dont spread so much anger, we all just want the best at the least amout of $$$. Take care sir!
 
#247
Sparkynation480 said:
Hello sir!
I have made an account just to reply to this. I think your product is amazing, but not justifying it's price tag, I have the soar 3 w/ the bh-55. I think it's overpriced! Your engineers are greedy! And they should be ashamed! I'm gonna admit that I own also the Leofoto LH-55 LR with the LN-364C tripod. I do use this way more than my RRS system because I don't want my RRS getting banged up. I want it to look new for as long as I can. God forbid anything happening to it, I'm an electrician and I wouldn't have the budget for another one. I think everyone claiming that the leofoto isn't as reliable as the RRS is full of it. It most certainly will, I have pure experience, that it does. How is this possible is my next question. Which you're going to reply with time and effort of your engineers. I doubt the 1800.00 dollar price tag is equivalent to your engineers time. How many have been sold? X's that 1800.00 . I think that speaks for itself, not to mention the ones that got sold in the time I wrote this. There's a thin line between fair price and just plain greediness. You're only upset because it has come to light that it's a system that can be replicated successfully at a much lower price. I'm all for "made in usa". But I work along americans all day and foreigners, and usa workers want the most $$$ with the least amout of work. Seems to be confirmed with your statement here! Another note to take into consideration, look in your inventory of tools, gadgets, devices, appliances and or belongings that you may own, where are they all made? I doubt they are all made in the USA. I'm sure there's something in that inventory that, the day you purchased it, you said, " aaaaaaaaaa.... this chinese knock off is just as good as the usa one", and you pulled the trigger to purchase. Anyway, dont spread so much anger, we all just want the best at the least amout of $$$. Take care sir!
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Hoooooo boy!

Mr. “pure experience” above has spaketh his truth. All hail Mr. PE.

What is a Soar 3?

You bought a RRS setup yet are too afraid to use it? Is it hanging on your wall like art?

Have you ever put in the work to find a need then develop a novel and non-obvious patent for a product for that need?

And then paid USA workers to produce it?

And then paid for a large portion of their healthcare and their social-security benefits and worker’s comp?

Electricians are not paid McDonald’s wages.

I don’t say this often, but you sir are a cheap-ass entitled dickhead.
 
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Sparkynation480 said:
Hello sir!
I have made an account just to reply to this. I think your product is amazing, but not justifying it's price tag, I have the soar 3 w/ the bh-55. I think it's overpriced! Your engineers are greedy! And they should be ashamed! I'm gonna admit that I own also the Leofoto LH-55 LR with the LN-364C tripod. I do use this way more than my RRS system because I don't want my RRS getting banged up. I want it to look new for as long as I can. God forbid anything happening to it, I'm an electrician and I wouldn't have the budget for another one. I think everyone claiming that the leofoto isn't as reliable as the RRS is full of it. It most certainly will, I have pure experience, that it does. How is this possible is my next question. Which you're going to reply with time and effort of your engineers. I doubt the 1800.00 dollar price tag is equivalent to your engineers time. How many have been sold? X's that 1800.00 . I think that speaks for itself, not to mention the ones that got sold in the time I wrote this. There's a thin line between fair price and just plain greediness. You're only upset because it has come to light that it's a system that can be replicated successfully at a much lower price. I'm all for "made in usa". But I work along americans all day and foreigners, and usa workers want the most $$$ with the least amout of work. Seems to be confirmed with your statement here! Another note to take into consideration, look in your inventory of tools, gadgets, devices, appliances and or belongings that you may own, where are they all made? I doubt they are all made in the USA. I'm sure there's something in that inventory that, the day you purchased it, you said, " aaaaaaaaaa.... this chinese knock off is just as good as the usa one", and you pulled the trigger to purchase. Anyway, dont spread so much anger, we all just want the best at the least amout of $$$. Take care sir!
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Bit of a necropost, it happens to all of us.

I’d imagine it’s pretty frustrating to innovate only to have someone come in and undercut you in spite of patent protection. RRS is a spendy product but without $$$ there is no innovation, warranty, etc.

I’m also an electrician and can share some of the sentiment of workers not willing to take pride in their product. The best workers in any industry rise to the top and demand top dollar for top product (work). Craftsmen tend to specialize and gain a reputation for quality. Some customers are willing to pay and others aren’t.

The discerning customer understands and appreciates the investment they are making.
 
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Sparkynation480 said:
Hello sir!
I have made an account just to reply to this. I think your product is amazing, but not justifying it's price tag, I have the soar 3 w/ the bh-55. I think it's overpriced! Your engineers are greedy! And they should be ashamed! I'm gonna admit that I own also the Leofoto LH-55 LR with the LN-364C tripod. I do use this way more than my RRS system because I don't want my RRS getting banged up. I want it to look new for as long as I can. God forbid anything happening to it, I'm an electrician and I wouldn't have the budget for another one. I think everyone claiming that the leofoto isn't as reliable as the RRS is full of it. It most certainly will, I have pure experience, that it does. How is this possible is my next question. Which you're going to reply with time and effort of your engineers. I doubt the 1800.00 dollar price tag is equivalent to your engineers time. How many have been sold? X's that 1800.00 . I think that speaks for itself, not to mention the ones that got sold in the time I wrote this. There's a thin line between fair price and just plain greediness. You're only upset because it has come to light that it's a system that can be replicated successfully at a much lower price. I'm all for "made in usa". But I work along americans all day and foreigners, and usa workers want the most $$$ with the least amout of work. Seems to be confirmed with your statement here! Another note to take into consideration, look in your inventory of tools, gadgets, devices, appliances and or belongings that you may own, where are they all made? I doubt they are all made in the USA. I'm sure there's something in that inventory that, the day you purchased it, you said, " aaaaaaaaaa.... this chinese knock off is just as good as the usa one", and you pulled the trigger to purchase. Anyway, dont spread so much anger, we all just want the best at the least amout of $$$. Take care sir!
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Easy to tell you aren't an American citizen.
 
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Sparkynation480 said:
Hello sir!
I have made an account just to reply to this. I think your product is amazing, but not justifying it's price tag, I have the soar 3 w/ the bh-55. I think it's overpriced! Your engineers are greedy! And they should be ashamed! I'm gonna admit that I own also the Leofoto LH-55 LR with the LN-364C tripod. I do use this way more than my RRS system because I don't want my RRS getting banged up. I want it to look new for as long as I can. God forbid anything happening to it, I'm an electrician and I wouldn't have the budget for another one. I think everyone claiming that the leofoto isn't as reliable as the RRS is full of it. It most certainly will, I have pure experience, that it does. How is this possible is my next question. Which you're going to reply with time and effort of your engineers. I doubt the 1800.00 dollar price tag is equivalent to your engineers time. How many have been sold? X's that 1800.00 . I think that speaks for itself, not to mention the ones that got sold in the time I wrote this. There's a thin line between fair price and just plain greediness. You're only upset because it has come to light that it's a system that can be replicated successfully at a much lower price. I'm all for "made in usa". But I work along americans all day and foreigners, and usa workers want the most $$$ with the least amout of work. Seems to be confirmed with your statement here! Another note to take into consideration, look in your inventory of tools, gadgets, devices, appliances and or belongings that you may own, where are they all made? I doubt they are all made in the USA. I'm sure there's something in that inventory that, the day you purchased it, you said, " aaaaaaaaaa.... this chinese knock off is just as good as the usa one", and you pulled the trigger to purchase. Anyway, dont spread so much anger, we all just want the best at the least amout of $$$. Take care sir!
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Tell me you're a Chinese Leofoto reseller on Amazon without telling me you're a Chinese Leofoto reseller on Amazon.
 
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