Shot Show 2025 Rumours

Garmin’s chrono is already the dominant product in that space. Gen 2 is probably coming in the near future, but I can understand why it might not be a priority for them.

My bet is on ultrasonic BT anemometer. Garmin already has experience with them, but for sailing. Just need to repackage

I’ll reiterate they should make high end ear pro
 
I like ADG brass a ton, but $450 1 1/4 dies seems like a big miss. They may be getting me for that annealer though.



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1) what does that even mean
2) it’s 11” and it weighs 18.5oz!

That’s the 338, right?

The 30 cal can is 8” long and weighs just under 11oz.

But it’s also an aluminum monocore with an aluminum tube, and has an MSRP of $800!!

I think they may all be aluminum monocores, including that 18.5oz 338 can. Which is why they’re limited to 1 shot per second for a maximum of 20 shots.

No thanks.

I wonder if they have the same warranty as Savage rifles?
 
I'll just leave this here...

OOF. Aluminum monocores (besides the titanium aluminum alloy on the 338 can). 1 shot per second up to 20 seconds and then have it cool down.

It would be one thing if they were lighter than any other option, or cheaper than any other option, while being meaningfully better in other ways. That is not the case to me.

The user serviceability is alright but the MSRPs are about $200 too much for each one and honestly the legality of suppressor parts individually kind of defeats that outside of detailed cleaning.
 
Garmin’s chrono is already the dominant product in that space. Gen 2 is probably coming in the near future, but I can understand why it might not be a priority for them.

My bet is on ultrasonic BT anemometer. Garmin already has experience with them, but for sailing. Just need to repackage

I’ll reiterate they should make high end ear pro
That would be cool, but having used various garmin products the last 30+ years, I'm not holding my breath there. Their refresh cycle is pretty slow for most niche market devices where there is little competition. I assume because they do quite a bit of testing to release pretty reliable/robust options. Really their watches are the only place you see frequent product releases and probably just because they offer so many products in that area. Even their cycling computers are lucky if a particular tier model sees a refresh in 4-5 years.

For example the Archery sight came out in 2018, didn't get a minor upgrade version until 2021, and they are still the only two offerings. The trap shooting camera/evaluation device came out in 2019, has not been updated or added to since release. Even most of their certainly much larger volume items like bike computers and handheld GPS are lucky to be refreshed every 3-4 years. They do sometimes bring out multiple tiers, and then the refresh "feels" faster.

I could see them expanding into the market, say a HUD, anemometer, target camera, shot timer, who knows. They definately have cross products they could repurpose.
 
Apparently Athlon is dropping a Xero clone at $350 MSRP. Info from Reddit.

If this turns out to work well Garmin just got Garmin'd! :) Won't know till lots of them get out into the wild, but at prices with codes etc. that will probably approach $300, they are going to sell truckloads of these unless they are junk. Garmin is a super solid company, and that is worth something, but there's probably a lot of the hunting crowd or weekend dabblers that will spend $350 on a chrono but not $600.

It does have some nice features, perhaps more intuitive buttons, easy removal of a bad shot, ability to adjust the display screen data (something Garmin is normally really good at offering), better rating (IP67 vs IPX7) and for those that own athlon scopes the ability to put the data strait from the device into the ballistic rifle profiles for your setup, and get holdovers/ranges for their reticles, BDC etc. The buttons on the side I'm not sold on, when it's on a small light tripod pressing them could require two hands to keep the unit steady.

I do wish they'd both drop the negative display though, some idiot 15 years ago thought it was tacticool and it keeps hanging around. In almost every light condition it's easier to see a normal display compared to a negative display and all it does is force users to use the backlight in more conditions draining battery faster.

One area Garmin has always sucked for 30+ years is how they export and handle data outside the units from cycling to handheld GPS. I've read a lot of complaints on guys working with getting data out of the chrono as well. However, let's be honest, basically data handling in all of the chronos have sucked for years, so it's a pretty low bar. There's a lot of room for growth in the app with the Garmin for a Gen 2. It would be nice if they added the option to have rifle/bullet profiles where you could easily tag chrono sessions to a rifle/bullet profile, the ability to automatically add weather conditions, location etc. from the phone. Even the ability to track photos of groups etc. that would just merge a lot of what people want to track in a shooting session, and of course ballistic integration that automatically used the Chrono info.

That said it sure looks a LOT like the Garmin for a product that's been out less than 2 years, but that's not too surprising there's only so many ways to make these little products. We more quickly see similar looking products pop up after something makes a market splash these days, probably because it's so much faster/easier to bring a new product to market in 2025 as it was even 10 years ago. Also the shooting community and people as a whole just care less about such things these days. Just look at the Leofoto fiasco and now they are positively supported here and are the official Tripod sponsor of PRS!
 
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Seems like a limited showing this year.

Like every other sector, I suspect many companies punted on new development until the election and subsequent tariff results were finalized. Should see a lot more stuff a year from now. JMO
 
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there are tons of innovative products coming out:

The magpul/ Maztech LRF and scope mount (if these are real)
The ADG automated annealer
The ADG swappable 700 bolt head bolt
Leupold tooless cap setting
MDT level and their chassis, too, maybe?
Shooter pulse - pistol glasses and shot timer/ range card (this is wildly innovative and cool
sig romeo 8 with a magnifier that changes reticles based on magnifier position (really fucking cool)
eotech 3-9 (you may not like it, but it's innovative)
PSA - the x9 and some of their guns are very cool (I don't own anything psa, but actually listening to your customers is a cool concept)
Staccato w/ glock mags - it's innovative and people wanted it
 
there are tons of innovative products coming out:

sig romeo 8 with a magnifier that changes reticles based on magnifier position (really fucking cool)
Sig does some really great innovative electronic/optics stuff at low prices, but overall their optical quality and durability across their various electro-optics history is abysmal.
 
Sig does some really great innovative electronic/optics stuff at low prices, but overall their optical quality and durability across their various electro-optics history is abysmal.
as long as it keeps forcing other companies to come out with the same features but better quality, I'd call that a win
 
I guess AB is releasing wez in a kestrel?

If this isn’t a software update in my existing kestrel (not that I want it?) that’s disappointing given the AB premium.

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Kestrel is pricing themselves out of competiton on many products
Magnetospeed T1000 is getting ridiculously expensive, Magnetospeed chrony is kinda dead since Garmin Xero, Kestrel timer 300$ uff , Kestrel 5700 on a trajectory to 1000$ (in Europe its well past 1200$) for a device that is technologically like 90's electronics.
 
Personal opinion with no data to really support it other than how I feel.
There's nothing big and fancy about kestrels that should make them $800. Its comparable to a TI-86 calculator back in the day costing +300 dollars when it utilized simple electronics. Its definitely not the fact it has AB in it because people used to pay $30 to have that software on their phones. That being said, kestrels are an awesome piece of equipment, but there's a lot of improvement in this area that could be had.
 
Personal opinion with no data to really support it other than how I feel.
There's nothing big and fancy about kestrels that should make them $800. Its comparable to a TI-86 calculator back in the day costing +300 dollars when it utilized simple electronics. Its definitely not the fact it has AB in it because people used to pay $30 to have that software on their phones. That being said, kestrels are an awesome piece of equipment, but there's a lot of improvement in this area that could be had.
I feel they might be the next LabRadar to Mr. Garmin.
 
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Personal opinion with no data to really support it other than how I feel.
There's nothing big and fancy about kestrels that should make them $800. Its comparable to a TI-86 calculator back in the day costing +300 dollars when it utilized simple electronics. Its definitely not the fact it has AB in it because people used to pay $30 to have that software on their phones. That being said, kestrels are an awesome piece of equipment, but there's a lot of improvement in this area that could be had.
AB is not 30 $ when on Kestrel or Garmin , its solid 300$ extra for AB in both Garmin and Kestrel ,now 400$ for AB WEZ ,. Judging by their courrent products i have a feeling that if you had team from Shooters Global do a ballistic calculator you would end up with 300$ device that would be magnitudes ahead of Kestrel 5700 , you know we are talking like 90s Nokia vs todays Apple kinda leap.
 
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AB is not 30 $ when on Kestrel or Garmin , its solid 300$ extra for AB
That's his point. we're paying an ultra-premium for kestrel and AB devices but ultimately it's all the same as the $30 app minus a few critical functions they chose to lock you out of.

Most of the LRF have their own enviro now and the wind feature of the kestrel is hardly worth 700 more than the app. If I could bluetooth my sig to my phone AB app i would have no use for a $700 kestrel
 
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