Shot Show 2025 Rumours

[ToddM]

I have seen a few guys show up with ridiculously expensive airgun setups at the range, including insulated scuba tanks etc. and some of the groups at 100yds are impressive. From what I've gathered it seems to be for folks that didn't get frustrated enough trying to chase rimfire groups at 100yds cause for all the issues getting a good rimfire setup, ammo it likes, and good enough conditions outdoors to really get nice rimfire groups, airguns at that distance seem infinitely more finicky and inconsistent with more voodoo required.

 

[kthomas]

I have seen a few guys show up with ridiculously expensive airgun setups at the range, including insulated scuba tanks etc. and some of the groups at 100yds are impressive. From what I've gathered it seems to be for folks that didn't get frustrated enough trying to chase rimfire groups at 100yds cause for all the issues getting a good rimfire setup, ammo it likes, and good enough conditions outdoors to really get nice rimfire groups, airguns at that distance seem infinitely more finicky and inconsistent with more voodoo required.

Airguns are fun, but finicky as fuck.

They rely on so many o-rings to be operational, and when one goes down it can be an absolute PITA to troubleshoot.

I feel like more often than not, my airguns have issues.

 

[WindstormSCR]

Airguns are fun, but finicky as fuck.

They rely on so many o-rings to be operational, and when one goes down it can be an absolute PITA to troubleshoot.

I feel like more often than not, my airguns have issues.

probably because people expect airguns to be cheap, and o-rings are cheap.

I think if umarex and co can get airgun energies up into 22mag range with precision-fitted ground-surface seals I'd be willing to pay serious money for one

 

[Mr. Wolf]

Any rumors or sightings of an Aero Precision Solus bolt head in .455" (PPC)?
Asking for a friend.

 

[Jackomason]

Any word on a kestrel killer? Seems like the gunwerks version will never come, maybe they are scared of Garmin cleaning house?

 

[Jackomason]

It looks like the industry is shifting.

 

[WindstormSCR]

It looks like the industry is shifting.

Well, at least everyone seems to be settling on a general standard for the increased bolt radius and mag geometry, with everything else staying standard AR-15.

the 6.8 SPC mags also play well for 350 legend and 6mm Max, according to others on here, hopefully we can avoid a Large-frame standards problem.

@Lowlight maybe see if you can ask the guys at PSA/Surefire/LWRCI if there's been any thought given to trying for a SAAMI standard for these "mid-frames"?

 

[VandelayIndustries]

I am gonna be there early (unfortunately) but also I can bring Lives directly to HIDE TV

For anything you want I can create a SHOT SHOW 2025 HIDE TV Thread you give me your wish list and I will get the videos for the Hide TV Channel

Let me know who you want to see ?

Crossover/ MPVO FFP optics. Hopefully with a usable reticle on both ends. If you run into something like that I’m sure it would make a few of us on here excited

 

[blue_ridge]

I'd like for Safariland to update their Liberator HPs

Kestrel... [we're waiting meme]

Primary Arms will probably have a new reticle that looks like this:

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<<<<<<️>>>>>>>
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^
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LOL

 

[HardRockARC]

Well, at least everyone seems to be settling on a general standard for the increased bolt radius and mag geometry, with everything else staying standard AR-15.

the 6.8 SPC mags also play well for 350 legend and 6mm Max, according to others on here, hopefully we can avoid a Large-frame standards problem.

@Lowlight maybe see if you can ask the guys at PSA/Surefire/LWRCI if there's been any thought given to trying for a SAAMI standard for these "mid-frames"?

I'm really confused why they went this route for the lower. This defeats the purpose of 6Arc in the first place. 6Arc is great because its literally just an upper swap on my current AR with some different mags. I'm glad to see them FINALLY enter the 6arc game but this was not the way to do it. In my opinion.

 

[stanley_white]

I'm really confused why they went this route for the lower. This defeats the purpose of 6Arc in the first place. 6Arc is great because its literally just an upper swap on my current AR with some different mags. I'm glad to see them FINALLY enter the 6arc game but this was not the way to do it. In my opinion.

Methinks the purpose of the 6 ARC is to make money for businesses. As such, making consumers buy a whole new rifle instead of just an upper makes sense, assuming they sell.

-Stan

 

[HardRockARC]

Methinks the purpose of the 6 ARC is to make money for businesses. As such, making consumers buy a whole new rifle instead of just an upper makes sense, assuming they sell.

-Stan

I would agree if 6arc hadn’t already been out for 5 years.

 

[cas6969]

From what I've gathered it seems to be for folks...

I knew a guy who was big into them, especially the "big bore" airguns. That and muzzle loading shotguns.
(eventually come to find out that was all he could legally own)

 

[BipThatInstance]

It looks like the industry is shifting.

Oof. Never buy the first of anything that PSA puts out. They're retooling their JAKL already, so it'll take 12-18 months from when it releases to guntubers shitting on them before PSA is inclined to work any kinks out.

Hell of a brand though, they keep getting folks to pay to be beta testers.

and see this under 1500? maybe 2k?

TFBTV had a blog where they said $2K for the LRF on its own. But with BidenBucks replacing the USD, I could see that being double, if not a bit more. Though to be fair, at $4K-$5K it's still better than a MARS-Lc if the specifications are accurate.

And I think that was for their "LRF-15K" which is, well, for 15 KM. In the Magpul video they insinuated that it was more military sales but the Maztech guys actually commented that wasn't the case on the video in response to someone.

I bring that up because I hope that $2K 2022 dollar price was in reference to the 15K.

 

[stanley_white]

I would agree if 6arc hadn’t already been out for 5 years.

Yes, but is it ever too late to hike prices?

-Stan