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So these are my opinions based on what I’ve learned about Tikka. Not a statement of fact or any official word from Beretta/Tikka.

But no, I don’t think they will. The chassis is good, I’m going to buy one when I can. But there were a lot of misses that the industry is going to very loudly point out.

No new barrel contours, no new competition chamberings, and if you use the tikka internal weights say goodbye to all your mlok slots for what? 3lbs?

The tikka focus has always been and will always be hunting. And that’s awesome. I just wish they’d follow Bergaras lead and sell actions and barreled actions.
Not really surprising, it's pretty clear that Sako/Tikka is totally out of touch with, or they simply don't care, what really goes for PRS competition guns here (20+lbs, 6oz triggers, strait profile super heavy barrels) basically everything you can do to min shooter mistakes.

Look at the Sako s20, they also marketed that as a competition rifle for the US market, and it totally tanked. Of course the cheap as hell brittle plastic skins didn't help, and it didn't even break 10lbs, and they never imported half of the accessories/options for it to the US like the 2 stage trigger and heavy barrel option. Stores are still trying to dump them at huge discounts. You see guys posting cracked stocks on them almost weekly on their facebook page.

That said not a fan of chassis designs where the fore-end is not one piece with the main chassis/action block. I'm sure there are good designs but every one I've had experience with had significantly more flex than a one piece chassis. I do think for the non-PRS folks these will probably sell well, the weekend range warrior that has no interest in PRS will still like the features, and the ability to buy a 22 clone of their centerfire. In factory offering I'm pretty sure they will be the only game in town offering that.

The worst part is if you live in the states you have to deal with Beretta, and what a shit show that place is. Dealing with them on an s20 was an eye opening experience in multiple ways. From them almost having me send it to the wrong location, not wanting to deal with cracked stocks, and Beretta admitting they knew there was a mag problem, but had no "ability" to replace bad mags even though they were in stock, but kindly offered a 10% coupon so I could buy them at their online store for full MSRP.
 
Magpul and give them the squeeze about why we haven’t heard shit about that Maztech partnership despite it headlining a couple shot shows back. Also can ask them if they’re going to update the bipod lineup to be better for precision rifle use, and if they have any plans regarding 6Arc mags since that cartridge is gaining popularity as a precision cartridge but mags are still a sticking point.

Here you are...sort of:


You'll need a LWRC Six8 lower or a Surefire ICAR rifle to use them though.
 
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I've always thought it was interesting Magpul has never done a MPX mag, even though they've done them for the Scorpion and MP5, you'd think there would be enough interest just in the PCC comp world for it.
 
Here you are...sort of:


You'll need a LWRC Six8 lower or a Surefire ICAR rifle to use them though.
Interesting, but I think geissele has won the game here since by all reports the 30s they came out with while expensive, run like tops, are maritime steel and also play nicely with 6.5 Grendel.

Really magpul should have just done a steel reinforced top/feed tower and a polymer lower body like lancer does.
 
MDT sells the "Folding Stock Adapter" for their Fixed/Carbine rifle stocks and chassis. And also have a folding buttstock for the ACC and ESS chassis. So if you want to make almost every MDT a folder, you can. With the exception of the solid stocks like the XRS, etc.
Watching new options come out that allow things my old (expensive) stuff didn’t is no fun, but it is better for the new purchaser.
 
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Contrary to what you'll find on the hide, a vast majority of shooters don't care about a folder. I haven't ever seen one at a match, and they're way too heavy for a hunting rifle.

Only place I'd even be interested in a folding stock is on a lightweight carbon chassis for strapping on a pack. But then I'm still not willing to take the weight penalty myself.
I like folders for fitting in shorter cases. My HNT26 gained 4oz with the folder and ARCA rail.
 
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They are a cool novelty but functionally not that important to me. If my rifles folded and strapped to my pack not that easy to deploy vs in my stone glacier sling. Plus the hnt 26 is pretty loud if you are close to game when it clicks when opening. I prefer the XLR style but it's a half pound plus heavier
 
Not really surprising, it's pretty clear that Sako/Tikka is totally out of touch with, or they simply don't care, what really goes for PRS competition guns here (20+lbs, 6oz triggers, strait profile super heavy barrels) basically everything you can do to min shooter mistakes.

Look at the Sako s20, they also marketed that as a competition rifle for the US market, and it totally tanked. Of course the cheap as hell brittle plastic skins didn't help, and it didn't even break 10lbs, and they never imported half of the accessories/options for it to the US like the 2 stage trigger and heavy barrel option. Stores are still trying to dump them at huge discounts. You see guys posting cracked stocks on them almost weekly on their facebook page.

That said not a fan of chassis designs where the fore-end is not one piece with the main chassis/action block. I'm sure there are good designs but every one I've had experience with had significantly more flex than a one piece chassis. I do think for the non-PRS folks these will probably sell well, the weekend range warrior that has no interest in PRS will still like the features, and the ability to buy a 22 clone of their centerfire. In factory offering I'm pretty sure they will be the only game in town offering that.

The worst part is if you live in the states you have to deal with Beretta, and what a shit show that place is. Dealing with them on an s20 was an eye opening experience in multiple ways. From them almost having me send it to the wrong location, not wanting to deal with cracked stocks, and Beretta admitting they knew there was a mag problem, but had no "ability" to replace bad mags even though they were in stock, but kindly offered a 10% coupon so I could buy them at their online store for full MSRP.
Man you had me all the way until the last paragraph lol.
 
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For the scope mount yeah. The lrf is gonna be 10k and it's never been done before because the average consumer hasn't seen a raptar, mars, or storm
no way - the LRF is a senseless product if the consumer version isn't close to or under the impact 4k cost. Magpul is no wilcox - they cannot command a 5k+ price tag for the LRF.

I would be suprised if this has an MSRP over 2k. Under 2k and I'm buying day one (it does nothing my kestrel + RF does now except in a more compact and manageable package + it looks cool)

I expect the mount to be more like 2500-3000, given the robustness of the mounts, having zero competition and actual electronics.
 
I would love this to be true but the impact 4k is at a low price point and kinda sucks imo
not to detract - but what sucks about it other than geoballistcs and no AB interface? I rarely see many complaints. I'm only holding out because =my entire ecosystem of solution is AB (and its going to stay that way)
 
not to detract - but what sucks about it other than geoballistcs and no AB interface? I rarely see many complaints. I'm only holding out because =my entire ecosystem of solution is AB (and its going to stay that way)
Constant loss of zero, the remote button not waking up the device, and any fine debris or dust on the lens causes it to instantly go down. Otherwise a good device from my usage
 
Constant loss of zero, the remote button not waking up the device, and any fine debris or dust on the lens causes it to instantly go down. Otherwise a good device from my usage

The incredibly weak visible laser is my biggest frustration with the Impact. Even the laser on the old Radius was better. And while my specific device has done a good job of holding zero, it's a sample of one. You're also dead on about the annoyance of the remote not waking up the device, and debris on the lens causing issues. The choice of a bright LCD screen over an OLED is also frustrating.

But it's still been a great device, and I'm pretty happy with it overall. Especially considering the price paid and the fact that there was absolutely nothing comparable under $8-10k until it came along.
 
The incredibly weak visible laser is my biggest frustration with the Impact. Even the laser on the old Radius was better.
It will be interesting to see what specs they release for the maztech civ, the envision mars mc sits around $6.5k for a ~905nm, Class 1M. The trend for the bino lrfs has also been cutting down on the power like the kilo10k gen 2 and vector x being weaker. Theres reviews up that the vector x struggles beyond 1800 yards. I won't know that for sure though until I get a pair to compare to kilo 10k gen 1.
 
Rumor has it, Emil with the Capstone Group, will be announcing Berger's new launch of a A-Tip like clone... coined the "B-Line" it will feature a micro engraved B on the aluminum Meplat to get around Hornady's patent.
He told me in August Berger is gonna do air rifle pellets / slugs too

The Magpul / Maztech, excited myself

And I saw it more than once, FYI Mike from Mile High isn’t in the industry nor does he work for MHSA anymore. He is still local to me, but he left the gun industry for the guys asking me to bring Mike back on. He might, he is only 3 miles away, but he is no longer in our space.
 
Garmin 10119
Kestrel 14856
Safariland 11268, 70555, 11277
Sordin 42864
TBAC 72905
HK 12227
ZCO 72908
Q Collar Brain Pro 60004

anything ear pro related
My wife and I both have Sordin Supreme Pro-X muffs. They are incredible. Wore mine on a quail hunt last week. I could clearly hear the dog panting, birds on the wing, and normal conversation and detect which direction it came from. Shotgun reports were muffled booms, as if they were 80 yards away instead of 30 inches from my ear. Had them over 4 years now, and still on the first batteries I installed.

True stereo/bino type hearing. I can tell exactly where a turkey is and not blow out my eardrums when I roll of my turkey chair and feed him a magnum load of #5's because he was sneaking up behind me. I would guess that I have 50-60 hours on these Duracell AAA that I put in. More important, I hear whispers from my buddy or my wife, whoever is in the blind with me, and not spook deer. Carried on an extended conversation about two bucks this week when they were about 40 yards from our blind.