Isn’t Schmidt still making a fixed 10? If they’d update their reticle, that one would rate some consideration.
John
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Isn’t Schmidt still making a fixed 10? If they’d update their reticle, that one would rate some consideration.
John
They do, but aside from a somewhat dated reticle, it is $2k. It is an excellent scope optically and mechanically, but that's a lot of money for a fixed 10x.
This whole thread was inspired by Bender threatening to harass Burris and me trying to brainstorm what niche still remains in our very saturated market.
ILya
People really use 7-8? I’d be in for a 11-22 switch view. Flip a lever and it doubles. Front focal obviously. I like more mag than less. Especially if it’s clever with a massive field of view and apparent field of view as well.
Edit: At the same time... it would be awesome to hit all those magnification levels in between as well
Edit 2: and it doesn’t seem that much more difficult to do... huh...
Edit 3: makes it seem like it would have to be dirt cheap in comparison.
Edit: At the same time... it would be awesome to hit all those magnification levels in between as well
Edit 2: and it doesn’t seem that much more difficult to do... huh...
Edit 3: makes it seem like it would have to be dirt cheap in comparison.
My answers are probably meaningless but here you go anyway.
1) Will you buy it. No, but I would buy a 7x or 6x fixed
2) If Yes, what objective diameter would you want? 50 or 56mm
3) Will you buy it if it is made in China? NO
4) Will you buy it if it is made in the Phillipines? NO
5) Will you buy it if it is made in Japan? YES
6) Will you buy it if it is made in the US? MAYBE
7) Will you buy it if it is made in Europe? YES
8) Are you considering US Optic BFX10? NO
8a) If No, Would you consider it if they had JPVCR reticle available? NO
1) Will you buy it. No, but I would buy a 7x or 6x fixed
2) If Yes, what objective diameter would you want? 50 or 56mm
3) Will you buy it if it is made in China? NO
4) Will you buy it if it is made in the Phillipines? NO
5) Will you buy it if it is made in Japan? YES
6) Will you buy it if it is made in the US? MAYBE
7) Will you buy it if it is made in Europe? YES
8) Are you considering US Optic BFX10? NO
8a) If No, Would you consider it if they had JPVCR reticle available? NO
If you’re on a short time stage and for some reason lose where you are on a multi target stage......backing power close to minimum is sometimes faster than looking over the gun and getting re-situated.
10/20 would also be good.
For me to consider a fixed 10x (I like the 14x idea better) for $800-$1000 it would have to be unrivaled in its price range. The best optics, tracking, FOV, zero stop, ect. Really it would need to out perform variables in the $1500+ range, in my opinion. Is that possible? If these requirements are met, yes I'd buy one.
1) Will you buy it. YES
2) If Yes, what objective diameter would you want? 50mm, 42 is fine too.
3) Will you buy it if it is made in China? NO
4) Will you buy it if it is made in the Phillipines? NO
5) Will you buy it if it is made in Japan? YES
6) Will you buy it if it is made in the US? YES
7) Will you buy it if it is made in Europe? YES
8) Are you considering US Optic BFX10? NO
8a) If No, Would you consider it if they had JPVCR reticle available? NO
1) Will you buy it. YES
2) If Yes, what objective diameter would you want? 50mm, 42 is fine too.
3) Will you buy it if it is made in China? NO
4) Will you buy it if it is made in the Phillipines? NO
5) Will you buy it if it is made in Japan? YES
6) Will you buy it if it is made in the US? YES
7) Will you buy it if it is made in Europe? YES
8) Are you considering US Optic BFX10? NO
8a) If No, Would you consider it if they had JPVCR reticle available? NO
Why does every piece of shooting gear have to be tailored for PRS these days? As ILya said, that market is oversaturated already, there are literally hundreds of other more practical scope options available for that sport. It would be a mistake to design a fixed power scope for PRS.
A lot of guys still appreciate a fixed power scope for other uses. The suggested 14X power with an extra-wide FOV would make a great modern fixed power optic. Other than the SWFA there really isn't anything else available out there these days... and nobody is using them in PRS.
A lot of guys still appreciate a fixed power scope for other uses. The suggested 14X power with an extra-wide FOV would make a great modern fixed power optic. Other than the SWFA there really isn't anything else available out there these days... and nobody is using them in PRS.
To be clear, they already sell a 5-20 HD for around $900 on sample list. Why would you purchase a 7/14 instead, unless it had a better reticle? To me, it would make more sense for them to update the 5-20 HD with a new reticle than design a 7/14 with a new reticle and leave the 5-20 HD with the dated (but useful) mil quad.
All that being said, I do think a 7/14 makes a lot of sense. I just don't see it at the $1k-ish price point. A fixed 14x makes more sense at the $500 price point with near-HD glass, good FOV, compact design, and a good reticle. Maybe that's not possible?
I agree with others who said that trying to cater this to PRS is a mistake. I find it unlikely that any serious PRS competitor would spend many thousands on gear, ammo, etc., and then start scrimping when it comes to getting a variable power optic.
Pretty sure the idea was to create a totally new product, not update an SWFA SS scope.
The comparison and references being discussed about the SWFA scopes are because they're one of the only/few companies making a solid and reliable fixed power optic right now at an affordable price.
So take a fixed SWFA 10X as a starting point and upgrade it. Suggestions have been to go with 14X magnification with a wide-FOV, better knobs (0-lock, capped windage), compact and low-profile design, illuminated reticle, etc..
The two separate magnifications idea sounds cool idea but a big selling point of fixed power scopes is the extra durability... fewer parts and lenses = less shit to break in the field. Haven't used an Elcan with the switchable dual 1x/4x zoom but maybe they're just as rugged as a fixed?
The comparison and references being discussed about the SWFA scopes are because they're one of the only/few companies making a solid and reliable fixed power optic right now at an affordable price.
So take a fixed SWFA 10X as a starting point and upgrade it. Suggestions have been to go with 14X magnification with a wide-FOV, better knobs (0-lock, capped windage), compact and low-profile design, illuminated reticle, etc..
The two separate magnifications idea sounds cool idea but a big selling point of fixed power scopes is the extra durability... fewer parts and lenses = less shit to break in the field. Haven't used an Elcan with the switchable dual 1x/4x zoom but maybe they're just as rugged as a fixed?
Definitely a no for me as well, but I would buy a super high quality 8-18 or 8-20 (something in that range) with lower profile high rev locking turrets, fine parallax for precise adjustments, illumination, and top end optical design.
Niches in the market?
Here's a few:
2.5-10 FFP with zero stop and a good mil reticle, capped/locking windage, and good glass under 1200 bucks
1-8 FFP with good mil reticle, ZS, exposed elevation, capped/locking windage that is not a 3 grand Nightforce
fixed 10x/6x/4x scope with good mil reticle, ZS turret and capped/locking windage with great glass at around 6-800 bucks. extreme emphasis on quality here since it is a fixed power scope. You have the money to put in better components.
basically take the SWFA 6x, upgrade the glass, give it a ZS, cap the windage, and you have a scope that i think would sell pretty well
Here's a few:
2.5-10 FFP with zero stop and a good mil reticle, capped/locking windage, and good glass under 1200 bucks
1-8 FFP with good mil reticle, ZS, exposed elevation, capped/locking windage that is not a 3 grand Nightforce
fixed 10x/6x/4x scope with good mil reticle, ZS turret and capped/locking windage with great glass at around 6-800 bucks. extreme emphasis on quality here since it is a fixed power scope. You have the money to put in better components.
basically take the SWFA 6x, upgrade the glass, give it a ZS, cap the windage, and you have a scope that i think would sell pretty well
Cause this is primarily a practical/precision rifle forum. So, PRS style use is a large part of the user base.
So, when you pitch an idea here, naturally people are going to lean that way.
If you want opinions on other uses, you pitch the idea on forums with a majority in that realm.
This is the equivalent of wondering why you run into so many sailors near a Naval Station.
PRS attendance is actually pretty small,
People like the idea of it, but far less are engaged in the activity. Go to the PRS site and look at who is shooting or more importantly how many. I have not looked recently but when we did, only 178 shooters actually shot the 3 match minimum to qualify. That was out of more than 1500 active members. Sure more sign up than participate, but look at attendance, not just a list.
Far more are engaged in other types of shooting, most of it independent and not organized. PRS has a market on attention, not necessarily attendance. The Berger SW Nationals I believe can double the numbers alone when you look at match sizes. The GAP Grind is the biggest for PRS but how many continue to shoot after. Last year I can recall about 4 cancelled matches due to poor attendance.
People like choices, they like options, and more importantly they want to save a few bucks.
People like the idea of it, but far less are engaged in the activity. Go to the PRS site and look at who is shooting or more importantly how many. I have not looked recently but when we did, only 178 shooters actually shot the 3 match minimum to qualify. That was out of more than 1500 active members. Sure more sign up than participate, but look at attendance, not just a list.
Far more are engaged in other types of shooting, most of it independent and not organized. PRS has a market on attention, not necessarily attendance. The Berger SW Nationals I believe can double the numbers alone when you look at match sizes. The GAP Grind is the biggest for PRS but how many continue to shoot after. Last year I can recall about 4 cancelled matches due to poor attendance.
People like choices, they like options, and more importantly they want to save a few bucks.
I can make a pretty good argument that a scope that is configured reasonably adequately for PRS type shooting is going to work well for almost any general purpose precision shooting.
More importantly, a bunch of people here are very experienced shooters, so I like mining for ideas here. I know that we are all going to disagree and everyone wants something different, but there are general trends that are important and that, I think, carry over into many shooting disciplines from some aspects of hunting to PRS-type competition to... fill in the blank.
Hell, I am not a PRS shooter. Now that I am out of California, I might give it a shot, but I think I need to take a couple of Frank's classes first. If I do something, I try to do it as well as I can. I do not half-ass anything.
Now back onto the specifics that interest me here:
Modern scopes are fairly big, fairly heavy and fairly long. To get good image quality and mechanical reliability with a high erector ratio requires space and mass. It also introduces additional complexity that costs money.
I have spent a lot of time with dual and triple power Elcans and like them a lot. However, Elcan's are effectively prism scopes with both advantages and limitations associated with that. I am not sure a prismatic scope will work well with high magnifications that precision shooting requires. Elcan Spectre TR is effectively a 3x prism scope with two switchable magnifiers built in: 3x and 1/3x. That is how they add 1x and 9x to it.
In principle, I like this approach a lot. With high erector ratio scopes, like 1-8x24, I really only use three magnifications most of the time: 1x for up close shooting, 8x for steady position/longer distance stuff and 3x/4x for low light shooting or slow fire standing. If a conventional scope can set-up for optimization at only three settings like that and if I can get some advantage in terms of size/weight/cost/price it is worth considering.
If we extend this to precision riflescopes, technically, a truly modern variable with 2x or 3x erector could everything most of us need, but it would be near impossible to market properly and a switch power design could be made even more compact, I think.
IOR seems to have done that a while back with their 1x/4x scope, but it had all the usual IOR issues as I recall. Same for fixed power scopes: I think IOR has a 16x56, but at almost $2k, I am not going to take the chance, especially since their original 10x56 had a ton of issues.
ILya
More importantly, a bunch of people here are very experienced shooters, so I like mining for ideas here. I know that we are all going to disagree and everyone wants something different, but there are general trends that are important and that, I think, carry over into many shooting disciplines from some aspects of hunting to PRS-type competition to... fill in the blank.
Hell, I am not a PRS shooter. Now that I am out of California, I might give it a shot, but I think I need to take a couple of Frank's classes first. If I do something, I try to do it as well as I can. I do not half-ass anything.
Now back onto the specifics that interest me here:
Modern scopes are fairly big, fairly heavy and fairly long. To get good image quality and mechanical reliability with a high erector ratio requires space and mass. It also introduces additional complexity that costs money.
I have spent a lot of time with dual and triple power Elcans and like them a lot. However, Elcan's are effectively prism scopes with both advantages and limitations associated with that. I am not sure a prismatic scope will work well with high magnifications that precision shooting requires. Elcan Spectre TR is effectively a 3x prism scope with two switchable magnifiers built in: 3x and 1/3x. That is how they add 1x and 9x to it.
In principle, I like this approach a lot. With high erector ratio scopes, like 1-8x24, I really only use three magnifications most of the time: 1x for up close shooting, 8x for steady position/longer distance stuff and 3x/4x for low light shooting or slow fire standing. If a conventional scope can set-up for optimization at only three settings like that and if I can get some advantage in terms of size/weight/cost/price it is worth considering.
If we extend this to precision riflescopes, technically, a truly modern variable with 2x or 3x erector could everything most of us need, but it would be near impossible to market properly and a switch power design could be made even more compact, I think.
IOR seems to have done that a while back with their 1x/4x scope, but it had all the usual IOR issues as I recall. Same for fixed power scopes: I think IOR has a 16x56, but at almost $2k, I am not going to take the chance, especially since their original 10x56 had a ton of issues.
ILya
Ilya, I happen to be in that target market that you are trying to crack. I've owned variables and fixed. Variables are great and certainly need nothing to justify them, but there is something cool about a fixed being inherently (or having the potential of being) simpler, tougher, smaller, lighter, and yes cheaper. Less to adjust, less to break down.
As you observe, everyone wants something different, and the fixed market tends to be highly cost conscious.
Do you have any insight on what each of the features on your original list would add to the overall cost of a fixed scope? Sometimes "nice to have" components cost more or less than what we might imagine. Does a windage cap add $10 to the cost? Does a side focus add $100? I don't know. But knowing those values could influence your yes/no column.
I realize we're not necessarily talking about an SWFA build, though it seems one of the very few companies positioned to do it.
Nik
As you observe, everyone wants something different, and the fixed market tends to be highly cost conscious.
Do you have any insight on what each of the features on your original list would add to the overall cost of a fixed scope? Sometimes "nice to have" components cost more or less than what we might imagine. Does a windage cap add $10 to the cost? Does a side focus add $100? I don't know. But knowing those values could influence your yes/no column.
I realize we're not necessarily talking about an SWFA build, though it seems one of the very few companies positioned to do it.
Nik
I would think a fixed 12-14x with a 34mm tube and at least a 56mm objective would be unbeatable for elevation adjustment range, field of view, and light transmission. I'd for sure pick one up for $750 and under if it had decent glass and excellent tracking like Burris and SWFA are known for.
1) Will you buy it. Yes
2) If Yes, what objective diameter would you want? 50mm, 56mm,
3) Will you buy it if it is made in China? No
4) Will you buy it if it is made in the Phillipines? No
5) Will you buy it if it is made in Japan? Yes
6) Will you buy it if it is made in the US? Yes
7) Will you buy it if it is made in Europe? Yes
8) Are you considering US Optic BFX10? No
8a) If No, Would you consider it if they had JPVCR reticle available?
No
I would prefer, and really want this scope in a 6x.
2) If Yes, what objective diameter would you want? 50mm, 56mm,
3) Will you buy it if it is made in China? No
4) Will you buy it if it is made in the Phillipines? No
5) Will you buy it if it is made in Japan? Yes
6) Will you buy it if it is made in the US? Yes
7) Will you buy it if it is made in Europe? Yes
8) Are you considering US Optic BFX10? No
8a) If No, Would you consider it if they had JPVCR reticle available?
No
I would prefer, and really want this scope in a 6x.
1) Will you buy it. Simple Yes or No. Yes
2) If Yes, what objective diameter would you want? 42mm and a 30mm tube
3) Will you buy it if it is made in China? No
4) Will you buy it if it is made in the Phillipines? No
5) Will you buy it if it is made in Japan? Yes
6) Will you buy it if it is made in the US? Yes
7) Will you buy it if it is made in Europe? Yes
8) Are you considering US Optic BFX10? No
8a) If No, Would you consider it if they had JPVCR reticle available? No
*for something in the 600 range with the above specs, I'm surprised we haven't seen a Meopta MeoPro.
*for something in the 1000 range, IOR Valdada or Minox comes to mind.
*for something less than 2 grand, I simply wish Schmidt would modernized their existing PMII 10x42.
Thanks for reaching out to us.
2) If Yes, what objective diameter would you want? 42mm and a 30mm tube
3) Will you buy it if it is made in China? No
4) Will you buy it if it is made in the Phillipines? No
5) Will you buy it if it is made in Japan? Yes
6) Will you buy it if it is made in the US? Yes
7) Will you buy it if it is made in Europe? Yes
8) Are you considering US Optic BFX10? No
8a) If No, Would you consider it if they had JPVCR reticle available? No
*for something in the 600 range with the above specs, I'm surprised we haven't seen a Meopta MeoPro.
*for something in the 1000 range, IOR Valdada or Minox comes to mind.
*for something less than 2 grand, I simply wish Schmidt would modernized their existing PMII 10x42.
Thanks for reaching out to us.
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Everything costs something and how much it is varies.
However, a simple covered turret is usually cheaper than an exposed finger adjustable one.
Some sort of parallax adjustment is, in my opinion, necessary. Adjustable objective should not be used on a scope of this type, so it is either side focus or rear focus. Rear focus is generally cheaper, but it might be a little harder to implement if you make a physically short erector system.
Side focus does generally add extra cost due to additional mechanical complexity. For example, with SWFA Classic the side focus version of the 10x42 is $400 while rear focus is $300.
I think there are three potential worthwhile niches for a fixed power scope:
1) Extension of SWFA Classic line, to modernize existing designs with better reticles, covered windage turret and zero stop in the elevation turret. That would likely still sneak in under $500 and make a for a very robust, proven design with modern features.
2) Explore how small and light this can be made with the primary application being accurate semi-autos where such a scope coupled with an offset red dot could make for an interesting combination. Think SPR type semi-auto
3) 14x or thereabouts fixed power scope for precision shooting like Lowlight suggested. This would have to be an exercise of how good of a quality we can get in a reasonable price range. I could probably convince March to do something like this, but it would not be under $1k.
ILya
Elevation adjustment range is another interesting discussion to have.
How much elevation adjustment do you really need outside of ELR? In the past, with misaligned rings and bases, sometimes you just needed a lot of adjustment to get the scope to zero, but with modern guns where everything usually lines up pretty well, that is not an issue.
For any conventional precision shooting endeavors, how much elevation adjustment do you really need? 6.5Creedmoor with a very sleek bullet goes subsonic right around 14mrad of drop, I think (somewhere around 1400 yards).
I think the most elevation I had needed was when trying to shoot subsonics pretty far out, but that is a very niche application.
ILya
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For my vote, I'm basically looking for an updated SWFA.
10 mil per turn knobs
Heavy tactile clicks
Tooless reset, or at least reset with single top screw instead of those small ones on the sides.
30mm tube
No larger than 50mm obj.
12x or 14x
25 mil minimum range of adjustment
Rear parallax doesn't bother me
Perfect tracking
Simple unobtrusive tree reticle
$600 or less
As bomb proof as could be made.
In fact, you COULD say that I want an updated Leupy M3A.
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Hard no for me on fixed
I am still looking / waiting for a better 2-10
FOV on bottom end with enough mag at high end to either hunt or plink at the range
Burris would never update the mil reticle in 2-10 from the mildot..
But primary arms finally got EXTREMELY close to what I was hoping for... But not interested in the busy ass reticles
So wish list
2x bottom with HUGE FOV
Push button zero stop like ATACR 4-16/ Leupold mark5/ Primary arms gold
Ffp mil reticle with just cross or really open tree like the MSR2, and 1/2 mil references is all I need along stadia but 1/4 at Max.
Cap on windage
Illuminated center cross or dot only
Reticle should be designed so that on 2x the outer lines shown are fat enough to make targeting intuitive, and very center cross can be fine for full mag use
Decent optics & light transmission
Now with that scope I can hunt day or night without worry of getting off zero
Plink around the farm
Or shoot steel at the range
I would pay 1k-1500 for that
I am still looking / waiting for a better 2-10
FOV on bottom end with enough mag at high end to either hunt or plink at the range
Burris would never update the mil reticle in 2-10 from the mildot..
But primary arms finally got EXTREMELY close to what I was hoping for... But not interested in the busy ass reticles
So wish list
2x bottom with HUGE FOV
Push button zero stop like ATACR 4-16/ Leupold mark5/ Primary arms gold
Ffp mil reticle with just cross or really open tree like the MSR2, and 1/2 mil references is all I need along stadia but 1/4 at Max.
Cap on windage
Illuminated center cross or dot only
Reticle should be designed so that on 2x the outer lines shown are fat enough to make targeting intuitive, and very center cross can be fine for full mag use
Decent optics & light transmission
Now with that scope I can hunt day or night without worry of getting off zero
Plink around the farm
Or shoot steel at the range
I would pay 1k-1500 for that
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I have been trying to convince a couple of manufacturers to make a proper SPR scope. No luck yet, but I'll keep at it. For now, I use my two SWFA 3-9x42 scopes for this kind of use and I am pretty happy with them.
ILya
ILya
I like your idea except on a 2-10 make it a SFP. Keeps cost down and 2-10 and other lower power optics are far more versatile in SFP when used in other places than at a nice brightly lit target range.
We will have to agree to disagree on that one as far as versatility goes. Both have their place, of course, but I would certainly stick with FFP.
ILya
From an Instructor, low-cost perspective...
We see a lot of new shooters struggle with cheap scopes and I think the variables at this price point are an issue. Not everyone is a high dollar, Prs fenom, or phenom, or anything for that matter.
Some like the idea of a fixed power scope, the durability, so you might see fewer problems with the mechanics for those types of shooters.
Ya, with our current line of variables we have some great choices, but the idea of a better, cheaper scope would probably come in the form of a fixed power optic
We see a lot of new shooters struggle with cheap scopes and I think the variables at this price point are an issue. Not everyone is a high dollar, Prs fenom, or phenom, or anything for that matter.
Some like the idea of a fixed power scope, the durability, so you might see fewer problems with the mechanics for those types of shooters.
Ya, with our current line of variables we have some great choices, but the idea of a better, cheaper scope would probably come in the form of a fixed power optic
At this stage, I have designed enough reticles for FFP scopes to be able to tell with considerable confidence that making a reticle with good visibility and good precision for the entire 2-10x mag range is not that difficult and it does not have to be a hugely complicated design either.
ILya
Ranging is very secondary these days. The reticle subtensions are mostly there to hold for elevation and/or wind.
Ilya
I range with a laser or by gis.
It’s more accurate than a reticles guess range.
And it’s faster too.
It’s more accurate than a reticles guess range.
And it’s faster too.
That's how I use the SWFA 3-9x42. I keep it on 4x where it is basically a duplex reticle and dial it up if I have time.
Ilya
I'm with Ilya on the FFP & the reticle design having ALLOT to do with how useable it is across the mag range. This is exactly what I was referring to with my comment earlier about needing to have heavier stadia to the outer reticle areas.
I believe this is true across all FFP scopes though, but I think we see it more in the 1-8 & 2-10 type scopes because we are running them on the minimum magnification more... Vs With the 5-25 type scopes I believe we are using them in more of a range environment and using that 15-20 area more.
then the application of our 2-10 doesn't always allow using a full 10x. As I may put a thermal / NV clip on in front of the scope that really only wants about 3-6x and I want to be able to use the reticle to hold over for a 400-500 yard shot...
But then again opinions are like other things... We all have our own.. some more different and some slightly similar
I believe this is true across all FFP scopes though, but I think we see it more in the 1-8 & 2-10 type scopes because we are running them on the minimum magnification more... Vs With the 5-25 type scopes I believe we are using them in more of a range environment and using that 15-20 area more.
then the application of our 2-10 doesn't always allow using a full 10x. As I may put a thermal / NV clip on in front of the scope that really only wants about 3-6x and I want to be able to use the reticle to hold over for a 400-500 yard shot...
But then again opinions are like other things... We all have our own.. some more different and some slightly similar
I agree with this. I have an NXS 2.5-10x32 and love it. I wish SWFA would make a mil/mil version of their ultralight scope. If I'm dreaming it would also have capped windage and exposed elevation turrets.
I personally have zero use for a fixed powered scope in the magnifications discussed, perhaps a fixed 4x or 6x but even then it's doubtful.
I just don't have the need, all of my scopes are used for multiple purposes and I find myself using all of the mag range, be it a 3-9, 3-15 or 5-25.
For me to consider it'd have to have phenomenal glass, huge FOV, super forgiving eyebox and parallax, and amazing turrets.
All that for under $600, and even then it'd be a hard decision.
I just don't have the need, all of my scopes are used for multiple purposes and I find myself using all of the mag range, be it a 3-9, 3-15 or 5-25.
For me to consider it'd have to have phenomenal glass, huge FOV, super forgiving eyebox and parallax, and amazing turrets.
All that for under $600, and even then it'd be a hard decision.
1) Will you buy it. Simple Yes or No.
Yes, 34mm only
2) If Yes, what objective diameter would you want? 42mm, 50mm, 56mm, N/A
50mm
3) Will you buy it if it is made in China? Yes or No
No
4) Will you buy it if it is made in the Phillipines? Yes or No
No
5) Will you buy it if it is made in Japan? Yes or No
Yes
6) Will you buy it if it is made in the US? Yes or No
Yes
7) Will you buy it if it is made in Europe? Yes or No
Yes
8) Are you considering US Optic BFX10? Yes or No
Yes
8a) If No, Would you consider it if they had JPVCR reticle available?
Would love that reticle in the BFX10. Only thing holding me back at this point.
Yes, 34mm only
2) If Yes, what objective diameter would you want? 42mm, 50mm, 56mm, N/A
50mm
3) Will you buy it if it is made in China? Yes or No
No
4) Will you buy it if it is made in the Phillipines? Yes or No
No
5) Will you buy it if it is made in Japan? Yes or No
Yes
6) Will you buy it if it is made in the US? Yes or No
Yes
7) Will you buy it if it is made in Europe? Yes or No
Yes
8) Are you considering US Optic BFX10? Yes or No
Yes
8a) If No, Would you consider it if they had JPVCR reticle available?
Would love that reticle in the BFX10. Only thing holding me back at this point.
I have an old Bausch & Lomb 10X40 Tactical scope. It has 144 Minutes of travel and is crystal clear. I would think the Super Sniper 10X is an updated (Mil turrets and Gen2 type reticle) comparable scope. I have never felt handicapped having a quality 10X scope. Funny how old becomes new again.
It was promising, but it turned it to be working heavy and Weaver's EMDR reticle is.... special, in a way.
ILya
Personally I would be more inclined to purchase a fixed power 14 or 15x scope over a 10x. This is the mag range that I find I do alot of my shooting at unless I'm on paper at 100. Also for my interest a true zero stop with a decent defined turret would be a big selling point. If such an option existed where I could get better quality glass (for the same cost) by going fixed power over variable and it was reliable I think it would be a good seller.
I just want the old 1" steel tubed El Paso Weaver T10 Micro Trac with mil clicks and Zeiss HT lenses..
I still use a T10 and a T16 for off hand comp shooting. I bought them new 40 years ago. They are still spot on for rimfire silhouette and field target after all these years. I wonder if my PM2 will be as reliable in 2045..
I still use a T10 and a T16 for off hand comp shooting. I bought them new 40 years ago. They are still spot on for rimfire silhouette and field target after all these years. I wonder if my PM2 will be as reliable in 2045..
