It looks like a great little toy. Just curious, with kind of purpose did you have in mind when you built it?Super fun rig. 16” 6.5Grendel View attachment 7898011
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It looks like a great little toy. Just curious, with kind of purpose did you have in mind when you built it?Super fun rig. 16” 6.5Grendel View attachment 7898011
Origin, 16” proof chambered by crown ridge. TT diamond 2 stage, Manners EH1 bedded by Beanland and Hawkins hunter dmbMore specs and what do you mainly use it for?
Looks like an awesome hunting rig
It looks like a great little toy. Just curious, with kind of purpose did you have in mind when you built it?
Did you have to modify the bolt face? That a Bighorn (Zermatt)?Super fun rig. 16” 6.5Grendel View attachment 7898011
Just use the PPC bolt headDid you have to modify the bolt face? That a Bighorn (Zermatt)?
Did you have to modify the bolt face? That a Bighorn (Zermatt)?
What does she weigh ?My master race rifle
Stock 260rem 5R 18"
TT Special trigger
AAC SDN6 w/ Q Cherry Bomb
KMW Sentinel Gen 1
Badger EFR/Bottom Metal
Atlas Bipod
Badger rings
PMII 3-20
Forgot to add 2560 with FGMM 142SMKS
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15.2 lbs on the scaleWhat does she weigh ?
That one looks like a lot of fun.16.5” 223 Wylde
That’s what I’m hoping. I just picked up the barreled action last week. Had Altus Shooting Solutions build it up for me. Hoping to test it out this week sometime. Impact 737r action and Brux barrel.That one looks like a lot of fun.
This one is a 1:8 since we couldn’t find much in stock for blanks. I have another lighter weight build they are doing with a proof 16.5” carbon barrel and that one is 1:7. Hoping to use 75-77s out of it. I won’t be doing much past 300 yards right now so either one should be plenty. I wanted a little heavier build and a light weight build.You do a 7 twist?
Ive been wanting one of the AB for suppressor for a while. it looks great on this rig!Super fun rig. 16” 6.5Grendel View attachment 7898011
Going to rebarrel my 6.5x47 with a 16.5 or 18in Proof Carbon fiber for my 10yr old son to use on white tail. What kind of MV can I expect with 90-120g projectiles? Plan on shooting Triple Shocks or similiar.
I’m not a reloader or anything but for what it’s worth my 18” benchmark carbon 6.5manbun shooting Hornady factory 143eld-x shoots an avg of 2585Going to rebarrel my 6.5x47 with a 16.5 or 18in Proof Carbon fiber for my 10yr old son to use on white tail. What kind of MV can I expect with 90-120g projectiles? Plan on shooting Triple Shocks or similiar.
Just recently chopped my 6.5Cmoor to 16”. 2760fps with Varget and 123ELDM.Going to rebarrel my 6.5x47 with a 16.5 or 18in Proof Carbon fiber for my 10yr old son to use on white tail. What kind of MV can I expect with 90-120g projectiles? Plan on shooting Triple Shocks or similiar.
I'm getting around 2930 with various brands of 123's with a 24" barrel without pushing too hard. You should be able to get close to 2800 with 120's in an 18" barrel if 25 fps p/inch of barrel holds up.Yeah I have plenty of Varget and H4350 here. R15 as well. So I have options with powder.
I get 2780 with Rl16 under 130s out of my 18" 6.5 Creed.Going to rebarrel my 6.5x47 with a 16.5 or 18in Proof Carbon fiber for my 10yr old son to use on white tail. What kind of MV can I expect with 90-120g projectiles? Plan on shooting Triple Shocks or similiar.
I'm around there too. Running 130gr TGKs in my 18", I have found good loads a little over 2,800 fps with RL16, and around 2,750 fps with StaBall.I get 2780 with Rl16 under 130s out of my 18" 6.5 Creed.
Just got a 17" .280ai Kimber Hunter that I'm going to run suppressed all the time for hunting. Don't have pics yet, haven't even mounted a scope, and still need to get it threaded, but I did Chrono some loads to get an idea of what it will do.
162gr SST (all I could find)
6.5 StaBall
55.5gr - 2,644 fps
56gr - 2,650 fps
56.5gr - 2,651 fps
57gr - 2,692 fps
57.5gr - 2,741 fps
58gr - 2,784 fps
RL23
56.5gr - 2,598 fps
57gr - 2,651 fps
57.5gr - 2,658 fps
58gr - 2,678 fps
58.5gr - 2,715 fps
59gr - 2,721 fps
No pressure signs, recoil in a 5lb un-scoped rifle was... stout and the muzzle blast cleared out the benches on either side (no pity from me, one was shooting a braked .338 Lap, and the other a braked 6.5). Once I get my Nomad Ti and a decent scope mounted, I think it's going to be a sweet rig.
I've changed directions from the 65cm to the 22creed. Going 7tw for monos to hunt, and heavy cup/core bullets for steel practice.Interesting question!!! I can tell you a 1:9 twist out of my 31 inch Brux Barrel stabilizes anything I put through it. That said length, velocity and the shape of the bullet you are using all matter. I doubt if I shortened my barrel down to 17" that 1:9 would work very well. Oh and that rifle is F-Class rig in 260 Rem.
I am actually looking forward to hearing an answer based on experience on this one! If I did not have a good answer and was in uncharted territory I would go faster to future proof. Bullets keep getting heavier for caliper finally and if you build it for today by the time you get it back from your smith it might be obsolete.
I have not had any issues going with faster than normal twist rates. For decades I have gone faster than is the norm and never been bit in the rear once by that. If you see me shooting a rifle with a standard for industry twist rate I prob. got it for a song. Sometimes price is too good to pass up on slow twist premium barrels or insanely faster than you might like! In this market of supply chain issues and inflation you sometimes do not have much choice or an insane wait time.
I have 2 SS 30cal barrels in 1:8 pencil #1 contours. Worried a lot about buying them because of the "too fast twist crowd" spent hours worrying about it. They shoot great. Since I got them from a top name barrel maker at 1/4th the normal price I was ok chancing it! I also was not keen on #1 contour but again top name barrel maker in the USA for decades and at 1/4th the normal price!
So at some point you have to pull the trigger and take some risk. Unless someone on here has campaigned the type of rifle you plan to build I would go 1:7. No one that makes ELD bullets or match bullets gives barrel twist recommendations based on short barrels. I do not think I have seen reloading manuals for instance give data for .308 Win, 6.5CM, 6CM, 243, 6mm Arc etc.....for a 17", 16" or 14" barrel.
I often hear people parrot the too fast twist rate for the 220 Swift back in the 1970's or something but none of them were actual shooting that in the 1970's or 1950's or whenever that was. Turned out to be problem with bullet jackets and velocity not the twist rate. The twist rate was just the easier thing to change as a band aid fix. BR guys will pipe up about that too sometimes but let's face it BR is most other shooting sports what Formula-1 racing is to Nascar! Those guys probably have dreams of 1/4 kernel of powder chasing them down like Freddy Kruger in Nightmare on Elm St. at night when sleeping! I have to imagine they measure their Astro Glide to the gram and measure their Scotts TP for uniformity. I would not over think this and I would future proof myself and go faster just to make sure.
Most factory rifles are usless to me as they come because the twist rates have been too slow for over 2 decades for the stuff I want to do. The 243 Win and 25-06 Rem are two fine examples. Likewise bullet makers have been on their rears for the last 30 years.
I’m very interested to hear somebody chime in on this. My guess is that yes it’s still faster but maybe but a smaller percentage than with a longer barrel? No experience with the 6mm’s to validate that theory though… I need a 103 eldx going 2900 to make me happy. I figure an 18” 6creed should get me there??Question for all these shorty 6mm guys. Does the extra powder capacity of a 6creed net more velocity over an equal length 6arc? 16-18”. Or is the extra powder just being blown out of the barrel? Maybe a more easily found combo would be 6.5 Grendel vs creed
You can probably get there but in my 18” 6xc 2900 with a 103 eldx was my top end but that’s not where it shot best.I’m very interested to hear somebody chime in on this. My guess is that yes it’s still faster but maybe but a smaller percentage than with a longer barrel? No experience with the 6mm’s to validate that theory though… I need a 103 eldx going 2900 to make me happy. I figure an 18” 6creed should get me there??
Id think it's doable depending on powder. I have a ruger American predator 6cm that I shortened to 20". This barrel seemed pretty slow and rough, as its a cheap mass production rig, but it shoots quite well. Anyway.......lapua srp brass and rl26 with a 108 elite hunter I was able to get up to 3090 with a full compressed load at 47.3gr, it shot sub half moa at 3030 fps so thats where I run it. Supressed with ultra7 out front.I’m very interested to hear somebody chime in on this. My guess is that yes it’s still faster but maybe but a smaller percentage than with a longer barrel? No experience with the 6mm’s to validate that theory though… I need a 103 eldx going 2900 to make me happy. I figure an 18” 6creed should get me there??
I’m very interested to hear somebody chime in on this. My guess is that yes it’s still faster but maybe but a smaller percentage than with a longer barrel? No experience with the 6mm’s to validate that theory though… I need a 103 eldx going 2900 to make me happy. I figure an 18” 6creed should get me there??
I’ve always been a fan of those. My old No. 1 is similar. 20” barrel but because it’s a single shot, it’s as about as short as most 16” barreled rifles.OK, so technically they don’t count with their super-long 18.5” barrels, but I still think they’re cool and they kinda prove there’s nothing new under the sun…..
Since you a planning on shooting copper take a look at Hammer Bullets, I’ve been able to get some of them 100 fps of more faster than conventional bullets of the same weight. Good way to help gain back some of the velocity lost to a shorter barrel.Going to rebarrel my 6.5x47 with a 16.5 or 18in Proof Carbon fiber for my 10yr old son to use on white tail. What kind of MV can I expect with 90-120g projectiles? Plan on shooting Triple Shocks or similiar.
Time for an update on 16-18 inch shorty rifles - Plebe Edition.
I got my Kimber Hunter back from being threaded at Ecco machine, 1/2x28" was the only thread that would fit, but that's fine, I mounted a DA Xeno Xero and will be running my Nomad Ti (equivalent barrel length with can mounted is 23.75").
It's about 5.5lb with the Xero adapter and a mag, and 6.25lb with the can attached.
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With the scope and mounts I'll be using, it should be ~7.5lb scoped and suppressed, and less than 8 lbs loaded, with sling and ready to hunt. I turned the trigger down from ~4.25lbs to a nice 2.75lbs. I picked up some 175gr ELDx from blue collar reloading last night, probably lose a little BC with the 9 twist, but it has a Bergara barrel like my other Kimber, so I hope it shoots as well, fingers crossed.
I shot one of those in 6.5 Creedmoor without a can and it was hands down one of the most unpleasant firearms I have ever shot just behind an 1895 in 30-06 with a steel carbine buttstock.
With how much the Nomad Ti takes the recoil and concussion on my PRC I’ve always wondered if it would make that rifle actually bearable to shoot.
Update the 6 Creed is straight hammering. Waterline all day with 10.3 mil out too 1150 yds Is no slouch….lil 16” 6 creed…. 10lb 4oz as pictured…
What bullet are you running?Update the 6 Creed is straight hammering. Waterline all day with 10.3 mil out too 1150 yds Is no slouch….
Berger 108 EHWhat bullet are you running?
Nice! That’s pretty killer velocityBerger 108 EH
I’ve always been a fan of those. My old No. 1 is similar. 20” barrel but because it’s a single shot, it’s as about as short as most 16” barreled rifles.
Not finished.
Still needs some cerakote on the barrel, the newer tuner brake and a Kahles 18i but it’s dropping roo’s like it’s nobodies business in the meantime out to 600m with just Hornady precision hunter ammo
Manners EH1 with mini chassis gap camo
ARC Archimedes action
Proof 16.5 inch 1-8 twist 308WIN
Withoutwarning tmb
ARC rings
Kahles 525i
Henderson arca rail
Triggertech 2 stage special
ARC mag
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