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Ok so you are saying scopes don't break any more. Great ! they sure do flex a lot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5pVya7eask
Ok so you are saying scopes don't break any more. Great ! they sure do flex a lot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5pVya7eask
Wow... that's what you took out of what was said huh?Ok so you are saying scopes don't break any more. Great !
Do you know this, or are you assuming this? Sure, common wisdom would denote it's plausible... but does that mean it is? How about we start getting specific instead of focusing on unquantifiable generalizations?like 34mm tubes are coupe of times stiffer and offer more room for internals than 30mm tubes same is true for 40mm tubes in relation to 34mm ones.
I'm an American. My customers are Americans. This forum is predominately American. I don't make my decisions, nor do I advise my customers in accordance to what things cost in EUROPE, or anywhere else. I'm not advocating what Europeans should buy, or not buy. I'm not in a position to do so, and would never want them to listen to me if I were. Unlike many, I require myself to have first hand experience before handing out advice. As I don't live in Europe, it would be impossible for me to give advice that would carry any weight. If you don't KNOW, then you are just assuming.If all things are equal 34mm tube will only exhibit about 60% the siffness of a 40mm tube ,ratio betwenn 30 and 34 is not that much different in any case these things vary even more due to general scope layout long scopes vs short stuby etc.
Other thing particular to comparing scopes ither in US or Europe is that we all have quite distorted pricing in the top tier scope range ,in Europe most scopes are more expensive (VAT tax of 18-22% ) than US but that might not be the case with top tier Euro optics relation are also different S&B costs not that much more than Khales ,Steiner while IOR is quite a bit cheaper, Nightforce is way more expensive . I never considered IOR superior or even close to S&B but in its price range it is superior to anything out there. You see you might be comparing apples and oranges ,same happens when we in Europe compare euro scopes with other scopes ,Leupold,March,NF all jump on to next price level and then getting NF or March over top Euro scopes doesn't make that much sense
No one is interested in your assumptions. Understand that. What the hell is the point of discussing anything over assumed data points? It's fuckn useless. I won't engage on that unless we're talking about specifics, got it?Did a rough calculation and assumed same thickness and same materials ,If i take something between 1-3mm wall thickness (cca0.04-0.12) as i can not measure scope tube thickness in mid tube things only change a couple of % up or down and you need roughly 70% more wall thickness to equal 40mm tube with 34mm tube 'if all things are equal'
I understand you are American ,but the point i am trying to make is your market is as distorted (as few things are still US made)as ours so you are sometimes comparing apples to oranges if price is of any relevance.
You sure seem to be quite fired up so i will indulge you some more, just for fun.No one is interested in your assumptions.
i like you do not have the mid tube thickness ( i would guess is close to 0.1) but as mentioned it takes a lot (70+%)of additional thickness to to close the gap doesn't matter if the base line is 0.04 or 0.15 thick . I would be suprized if 40mm tube is any thinner than 34mm , it tends to run the other way around most sectioned scopes i see on the shows have thicker walls on larger tubes,has to with clamping the scopes in their mounts that is one area where tube has to grow in thickness as it grows in diameter.assumed data points
That is what i am saying for you IOR is overpriced( i am suprized Valdada set their prices so high in relation to the rest of the Euro scopes) and not worth it for us NF and March, Leupold are in the same position not worth their money .It's all RELATIVE.
Wrong. This one scope, can only be compared to those other specific scopes. It's been broached before, and I applaud calz for his work, but he has already addressed this. He wasn't comfortable taking on more scopes even if the companies would have agreed to send them. It's good work, and he's passionate about it. However, with a sample size of 1, VERY few conclusions can be drawn and set in stone. 10 of each scope would paint a clearer picture. Ten scopes, purchased through regular channels, so to ensure the company in question had no chance to possibly hand-select a pre-qualified unit. This doesn't mean I knock calz and his efforts. This is just the reality when trying to collect statistical data which can be used to draw concrete solutions. Statistically, a sample size of one, is almost completely irrelevant.IOR kinda runs with the rest of them ,what gives?
You sure seem to be quite fired up so i will indulge you some more, just for fun.
Fired up? Hardly. Tired of the constant barrage of inexperienced people trying to give advice on forums? Absolutely.
Need a nap? My posts have been on topic until this one...Can you BOTH just shut the hell up and argue in private? Just send PM's between each other or go meet somewhere. You have hijacked this thread long enough.
Need a nap? My posts have been on topic until this one...
Not exactly what you call "hijacking."
But when a guys spends $600 for a plane ticket, $400 for rental car, $1500 for a class, or $250 for a match, then another $400 for a hotel and his scope dies on day one, tell him about it. Explain to him how his decision to go in the direction he did was worth it.
There is another metric ... time and historical evidence.
At that point you go back to straight up numbers, who gets more customer service calls over the last number of years vs the other guy.
Or take the leap and if things go south again, (as I will predict now) you can move based off that data. If you already made the investment it's really too late to even talk about it, your next step is to shoot it and see. But if you are one of the guys chasing glass, there are certainly ways to balance the scale.
Because some of us do it for a living. My customers appreciate that fact... trust me.At the end of the day what does it matter to anyone here what SCOPE someone else buys or why?
Because some of us do it for a living. My customers appreciate that fact... trust me.
You seem to be confusing someone having displeasure with what someone else bought, compared to recommending they buy the right thing in the first place.Yes I understand, but what I'm asking is this.......I don't know you, you don't know me. If you post on here you just bought "x" SCOPE...What do I care? You are just one of another 500 people on here posting what SCOPE you just bought. If I post on here I just bought "x" SCOPE.....What do you (or anyone else) care? Again I'm just one of another 500 people on here posting what SCOPE he just bought. At the end of the day we are all going to get what we want to get. Whether we base our decision on a post we read on snipers hide, precision rifles blog, or the rifleman magazine. .....Who cares?
At that point you go back to straight up numbers, who gets more customer service calls over the last number of years vs the other guy.
Unfortunately the "2014 Scope Shootout" is going to be what is used by some to definitively rate scopes in black and white but one scope from one maker isn't how I would make a final decision. The write up shows some good stuff but it's to narrow a cross section of any scope to give a definitive answer or to be used as the only decision maker. Some of my personal experience doesn't jive with the testing in a number of those scopes which I have owned both good and bad. So my point is use the data as a partial point and not a definite.
Calz is doing a great job at being objective, as good as a private individual with a limited budget can be anyhow and I certainly commend him for it. Still though, just like in any common gun rag, I have to wonder about the samples sent for evaluation and the samples procured from a standard dealer. There's a shit ton of money riding on this, it's going to go into permanent record on the internet and there's going to be many individuals who will base their purchase decisions solely off this review, so I'm sure some companies sent their very best (previously tested to be flawless) while larger companies may have simply pulled one off the shelf and shipped it over. Of course Calz doesn't have the funding to buy each and every scope himself nor would he probably be able to procure them all through loans from friends. Even still, they're all a sample of one. Great testing, very thorough and well written, but in the end I'm still taking it with a grain of salt. I'm a skeptical and untrusting bastard though anytime money is involved.I understand people have had bad experiences with past ior models. That is well documented on this site and others. But how many of these past owners have owned a RECON? The Recon is doing well in cal' s test and that seems to be getting under the skin of the haters. There will always be the fanboys. We really should not listen to these people because if it was broke out of the box they would post they was shooting sub .25" with it. On the other end is the haters. We should not listen to these people either. Anytime someone post something positive about IOR's the haters jump into the fray spewing all kinds of crazy stuff. Sometimes it's hard to tell who listen to and who to ignore. But I think people would be more likely to gravitate toward cal' s test because he seems to be neither a fanboy or a hater. Just a guy putting out the best info he feels he can.
How would I, as a consumer, determine this?
I would LOVE to have access to metrics like service calls per unit sold, returns per unit sold, etc. But I don't know anywhere to get such data.
Ok. You just don't fuckn get it. Others have tried to point this out, in a nicer way... but I have a knack for sparing people's feelings and saying what IS. Sure, someone that arbitrarily hates all things IOR shouldn't be listened to if they have no experience and are just spewing what they've read. Just like someone like YOU shouldn't be listened to when advocating them despite a glaring lack of perspective and experience. No one is arguing this fact.I understand people have had bad experiences with past ior models. That is well documented on this site and others. But how many of these past owners have owned a RECON? The Recon is doing well in cal' s test and that seems to be getting under the skin of the haters. There will always be the fanboys. We really should not listen to these people because if it was broke out of the box they would post they was shooting sub .25" with it. On the other end is the haters. We should not listen to these people either. Anytime someone post something positive about IOR's the haters jump into the fray spewing all kinds of crazy stuff. Sometimes it's hard to tell who listen to and who to ignore. But I think people would be more likely to gravitate toward cal' s test because he seems to be neither a fanboy or a hater. Just a guy putting out the best info he feels he can.
Ok. You just don't fuckn get it. Others have tried to point this out, in a nicer way... but I have a knack for sparing people's feelings and saying what IS. Sure, someone that arbitrarily hates all things IOR shouldn't be listened to if they have no experience and are just spewing what they've read. Just like someone like YOU shouldn't be listened to when advocating them despite a glaring lack of perspective and experience. No one is arguing this fact.
No amount of this feigning "I just want to understand" is going to hide the fact that you are pro-IOR yet have not a shred of the experience required to have formed that opinion. Just what kind of "crazy stuff" has been "spewed" about IOR's? The fact that DOZENS of people, on this very site, have had negative experiences with IOR and took the time to share those experiences here? Just because you are a complete fucking rookie to this sport and this industry doesn't mean the rest of us are. We're making our assessments and forming opinions based on years and sometimes DECADES of first hand experience. Yet every goddamn day some newb ass like you registers on a forum and has the nerve to start slinging bullshit at those of us that do it for a LIVING. What do you do for a living? I for one am sick of your ignorant bullshit. You want to keep pressing the issue, so lets get right to the heart of the matter. You want your opinion to be as valid as you think it should be? Fine. Here's how you do it: Give us a list of the scopes you have owned in the recent years. Provide pictures, on your rifles. Then show me the barrel log for those rifles. Explain just why your opinion should have any weight at all. I bet Frank can easily demonstrate his experience, and has before. I know I can, and have before. Lets see your resume pal.
I have a question for calz: How did you get that IOR recon? Did you call a dealer and order it yourself, paying money for it, without telling them your intention of testing? or: Did you call up IOR or their distributor/primary dealer and inform them what you intended to do? What about the rest of the scopes in your test?
Point being: Did you give each manufacturer the capability to hand-pick the unit that was being sent for eval? Can you be sure of the ones that did hand pick, vs those that didn't?
I'm not knocking you either way, because I get what you were trying to do, and you've done a great job, but it's high time that people realize just how statistically inconclusive this test is. For you to advocate that it is anything else, would be totally irresponsible. That doesn't have thing one to do with IOR or any other company involved. That is just the cold hard fact of the matter.
Damn right you're out... because just like every other inexperienced MOUTH that shows up here, when pressed to explain why anyone in the whole goddamn world should listen to what you have to say, you can't back up all your fluff with some substance. That has nothing at all to do with "haters" and everything to do with people wanting their inexperienced choices validated. If you could talk specifics, citing personal experience and hard data... we wouldn't ever have a problem. Think on that good and hard before you post next time.Well that about explains "the haters jumping into the fray spewing all kinds of crazy stuff". ....I'm out.
I'm an American. My customers are Americans. This forum is predominately American. I don't make my decisions, nor do I advise my customers in accordance to what things cost in EUROPE, or anywhere else. ....
No... not at all actually. Just pointing out the obvious.Still fired up are we .
See there, you're starting to talk specifics... and I will NEVER be irritated with a man talking specifics and truly trying to have a discussion which is based in reality.New Recon sort of took the parallax issue that was the bane of one gen of ior FFP scopes head on with a bit funky solution that should make the paralax element quite recoil proof