.22 br

I'm still in the "playing with it" phase. I still have a couple barrels for my BR.

I'm just not sure I need to squeeze the extra velocity out of the case. I've had such great luck with running 88s at 3k, and now the 85.5 at 3040. I dont know if I need to squeeze for another 40 to 50fps.

I'm going to run the Dasher at the Koenig/Ruger PRS match in Colorado next month with the Bergers. We'll see how she does.

I just loaded up 70rd of 22br 90smk N550 at 2993 that shot one hole in load development. Gonna shoot some groups at 200, 300 and 500yd and see how it does. Also loaded up 30rd 90smk over 4166 to shoot at distance as well. Looks like nice weather this week so we will see
 
It was pretty darn windy today with a right to left wind. Not the best day for shooting groups at distance.

I loaded up 10rd each of 28.7gr, 29.0gr and 29.3gr of 4166 with the 90smk. I shot two 5 shot groups of each charge at 200yd today. Im really liking this 4166. My favorite powder with the 90smk so far. Im going to load up another 50rd or so to test 29.3gr at 400 and 600yd. 28.7gr didnt shoot bad either, both are in that sub 0.5moa range.




While 31.1gr VV N550 shot one hole at 100yd during inital load developement, it had some vertical at distance but still shot pretty darn good. Nothing to sneeze at


200yd with lots of vertical







400yd was nothing to sneeze at, especially in the windy conditions





600yd still wasnt terrible, you can really see the left to right wind in these groups






Just playing around with this 22BR, seeing what it likes. Ill play with 4166 and the 90smk and if it doesnt shoot the way I want Im going back to 88 ELD. I have 200-300 and just received another 1000. They shot lights out to 700 with 28.5gr Varget and zero load development and they are cheap. I also have 100pc box of 85.5 Bergers @Emc_2015 gave me to test. So Ill load them up as well and see how they do.
 
Looking good..

I'm experimenting with SW Precision again. And I'm going to keep an eye out for 4166. I think the latter will run well in my BR and GT.

I've heard good things about SW precision powder and wanted to play with it for a while but never found any at any reasonable price to buy. I have 24lb 4166 so happy it's shooting so well.
 
That's true. I do it in one pass with a .249 bushing in a 6BR FL Redding die.

I have never lost a single piece of brass. I just did 300 brand new pieces of Lapua two weeks ago without issue. All told I've probably resized 800 pieces from 6 to 22 in one pass. 600 of them within the last few months. I just goop em up with One Shot and crank the handle.

They hit my mandrel in the 2nd stage of my 650 that takes them to a .250 OD. I put powder and bullet and take them out and shoot them With a finished OD of .252.
I’m new to the 22 BR so thanks to all who have posted on here with lots of great knowledge. I have 300 pieces of brand new Lapua 6 BR on the way and Redding 22 BR FL bushing die so I’m planning on doing exactly what you’ve suggested here @Birddog6424. I’ll follow up with a K&M mandrel as well after resizing. Are you doing any neck turning afterwards? Seeing any issues down the road with doughnuts forming?
 
I’m new to the 22 BR so thanks to all who have posted on here with lots of great knowledge. I have 300 pieces of brand new Lapua 6 BR on the way and Redding 22 BR FL bushing die so I’m planning on doing exactly what you’ve suggested here @Birddog6424. I’ll follow up with a K&M mandrel as well after resizing. Are you doing any neck turning afterwards? Seeing any issues down the road with doughnuts forming?

I'm on my 4th sizing (3x fired) and no doughnut issues for me. I also use mandrel but i stepped down in 2 sizings with .259 then .247 bushings then my mandrel. And I don't neck turn...if you have .254-.256 neck in your chamber you dont need to neck turn.
 
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I'm on my 4th sizing (3x fired) and no doughnut issues for me. I also use mandrel but i stepped down in 2 sizings with .259 then .247 bushings then my mandrel. And I don't neck turn...if you have .254-.256 neck in your chamber you dont need to neck turn.
Awesome, thanks! Stepping down in two sizes sounds like a good idea, definitely what an article on Accurate Shooter suggests. Guess I won’t know how much neck my chamber has until I produce a piece of fired brass. It’s a SJA 1:7 barrel with 0.050” freebore. Is that a bit short on freebore? I seem to recall some preferring all the way out to 0.130”.
 
Awesome, thanks! Stepping down in two sizes sounds like a good idea, definitely what an article on Accurate Shooter suggests. Guess I won’t know how much neck my chamber has until I produce a piece of fired brass. It’s a SJA 1:7 barrel with 0.050” freebore. Is that a bit short on freebore? I seem to recall some preferring all the way out to 0.130”.

Others are stepping down in 1 step without issue. So you should be good, I just did it in 2 and went great for me. You dont know the reamer spec used to chamber your barrel? I would ask.... But if you have .050 freebore it sounds like the original 22BR reamers which had 0.050" freebore and a 0.252" neck.... 0.255 is the suggested No-Turn neck...

Im shooting a 0.100 freebore and Im very happy with it, ELD could go out a little more, but Im not concerned... 0.130" seems to be that sweet spot.. 0.050" people have said shot great, but youll be eating up case capacity with the heavier bullets loaded down in the case at 0.050 fb
 
Others are stepping down in 1 step without issue. So you should be good, I just did it in 2 and went great for me. You dont know the reamer spec used to chamber your barrel? I would ask.... But if you have .050 freebore it sounds like the original 22BR reamers which had 0.050" freebore and a 0.252" neck.... 0.255 is the suggested No-Turn neck...

Im shooting a 0.100 freebore and Im very happy with it, ELD could go out a little more, but Im not concerned... 0.130" seems to be that sweet spot.. 0.050" people have said shot great, but youll be eating up case capacity with the heavier bullets loaded down in the case at 0.050 fb
I don’t know the reamer specs but I’m guessing you’re correct on it being an original 22 BR reamer. If my calculations are close, with 0.002” neck tension, I should be somewhere around 0.248” to 0.250” with Lapua brass which will hopefully be just under the 0.252” chamber neck. I’ve measured neck thickness on Lapua brass to consistently be 0.013” in 6.5 CM brass, but with sized down 22 BR, I imagine it’ll be thicker. (0.222” + 0.013” + 0.013” = 0.248”). Being new to a wildcat, does having that tight neck chamber necessitate neck turning? A looser chamber prevents that?

Running the 7 SAUM in a short action, I’ve now got some experience with seating long bullets deeper into the case. Bummer I’ll have to do it with this barrel too. The 88 ELD-M is the primary bullet I’m wanting to shoot with Varget. Glad it’s a 24” bbl at least.
 
I don’t know the reamer specs but I’m guessing you’re correct on it being an original 22 BR reamer. If my calculations are close, with 0.002” neck tension, I should be somewhere around 0.248” to 0.250” with Lapua brass which will hopefully be just under the 0.252” chamber neck. I’ve measured neck thickness on Lapua brass to consistently be 0.013” in 6.5 CM brass, but with sized down 22 BR, I imagine it’ll be thicker. (0.222” + 0.013” + 0.013” = 0.248”). Being new to a wildcat, does having that tight neck chamber necessitate neck turning? A looser chamber prevents that?

Running the 7 SAUM in a short action, I’ve now got some experience with seating long bullets deeper into the case. Bummer I’ll have to do it with this barrel too. The 88 ELD-M is the primary bullet I’m wanting to shoot with Varget. Glad it’s a 24” bbl at least.

Others will have to post who used the tighter 0.252 neck for confirmation, but I believe some have said they had either feeding or extraction issues with that original 0.252 neck.... wait for others to chime in on that.

The 88 ELD will be pretty far down in the case with 0.050" FB... Now you can have a shop throat it out for you very easily. Takes all of a few minutes to do.... So thats an option...
 
What have people seen with respect to collapsing shoulders when necking down 6BR brass? Got a new Forster FL die and ran a few pieces of new Lapua through, bulged/collapsed all three shoulders and saw significant belling of the case neck mouth too.

Sent the die off to get honed to 0.247” (talked to them on the phone, they said they’ll hone more than their order form says, they just don’t recommend it). Hoping that’ll fix it (I’m necking down something like 30 thou with the raw die, the honing should make that more like 20 thou), but just wondering if I’m gonna need a step-down die. Really don’t want one, since I’m not running a bushing die.

@Birddog6424 you said you neck down in one step, what OD are you going to when you do, and using what die setup?
i had hundreds of old 6BRA brass that i had pulled. in one pass with the SAC die (.247 bushing) they became 22BR. i didn’t lose a piece of brass. I’m running 88eld’s in a bartlein 7.75-7.0 gain twist. as my practice rifle i’m running 33.0g or Staball at .020“ off. shoots very well.
 
Others will have to post who used the tighter 0.252 neck for confirmation, but I believe some have said they had either feeding or extraction issues with that original 0.252 neck.... wait for others to chime in on that.

The 88 ELD will be pretty far down in the case with 0.050" FB... Now you can have a shop throat it out for you very easily. Takes all of a few minutes to do.... So thats an option...
I had good luck with my first barrel with a standard 22BR reamer, .050 fb and .252 neck. The next barrel I had chambered with the same reamer, I had stiff bolt close and open due to the tight neck. There is a local smith that has a .100 and .253 reamer. I am tempted to have him set back my original barrel that has 1800 rounds on it and see if .253 is big enough. If I were to order a new reamer, it would be .100 and .254 or .255.
 
Thanks for the perspective there, I think I will have the freebore extended out to the 0.100”-0.130” range. Maybe I can find a shop with a newer reamer too.
@Deep South Tactical has mine, 0.255 neck and 0.130 FB. Reamer’s brand new, they’re gonna cut my chamber soon but happy to loan it out for a minor wear-and-tear fee.
 
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@Deep South Tactical has mine, 0.255 neck and 0.130 FB. Reamer’s brand new, they’re gonna cut my chamber soon but happy to loan it out for a minor wear-and-tear fee.
What’s the turn around time at Deep South Tactical? I definitely like to take you up on on the reamer offer. Happy to pay a wear & tear fee, shouldn’t be too hard to open up an existing chamber a bit. Maybe I could get my barrel down there while they still have your reamer on hand.
 
What’s the turn around time at Deep South Tactical? I definitely like to take you up on on the reamer offer. Happy to pay a wear & tear fee, shouldn’t be too hard to open up an existing chamber a bit. Maybe I could get my barrel down there while they still have your reamer on hand.
It was a couple weeks awhile back, I'm waiting to hear from them on the lead time but don't worry about the reamer leaving their shop; I'm just gonna leave it with them, they cut all my barrels right now and I'm not getting another spun for awhile. I'll shoot you a PM about it, but they've got a very nice lady who always answers the phone, she might have info on lead time.
 
i had JGS make me a .255NK and .130FB reamer. The 88’s still sit well into the neck. a .150FB would have worked as well.

Remember, rule of thumb is you want at least bullet diameter worth of bullet bearing surface engaging the neck... So you want at least .224 of bearing surface engaging the neck.....
 
Remember, rule of thumb is you want at least bullet diameter worth of bullet bearing surface engaging the neck... So you want at least .224 of
bearing surface engaging the neck.....

here’s what it looks like at .020” off.
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Just FYI,
This wildcat I came up with for AR Platform shot so well I had to chamber bolt guns for it... which now have 3 bolt barrels chambered.
The PPC/220 Russian brass comes out of fireforming process considerably shorter than I had hoped.
I machined my reamer with a short .203 neck length, some of the new formed brass only has a .18 neck length ,until it gets several firing on it but still shoots decent.

Point being one caliber seating/neck length IMO is debatable, although if my chamber had a longer neck maybe it would shoot better....
 

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Had an hour today so I ran out to test my 28.7gr 4166 low node at distance. 2946 SD 5 - ES 8... The plan was to shoot 2 five shot groups each at 300, 400, 600. Unfortunetly it was super windy... Blowing 15-17mph switching from behind to left to right.... Nice and sunny, but windy as hell. So instead, I shot 4 groups each at 300 and 400yd...

First time out with my new Super Cal and damn this thing is awesome. Super stable and built like a tank. Very happy with it!













300yd


Setup my Kestrel and it said 0.5mil for 300yd so I dialed 0.5mil and fired 5 shots on this piece of steel to confirm my elevation. Elevation was dead on the line.. Unfortunetly the wind really picked up and was switching like crazy.












400yd


Kestrel said 1.4mil for 400yd so I dialed 1.4mil and fired 1 shot on this piece of steel to confirm my elevation. It was low. Dialed 1.5mil and the next 4 shots elevation was perfect right on the line. The wind was still blowing pretty good but not switching from behind to left to right as much so I was able to get a little more consistent groups.. Not bad for the conditions.













Hopefully Ill have an hour or so and calmer conditions to get out later this week to shoot the 29.3gr load at 300, 400, 600yd before moving testing over to 85 Bergers and 88 ELD.



 
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Got out today to test my best load at distance....90smk over 29.3gr 4166 .....

I FINALLY caught a calm wind day and of course when I pull into the range it's a white out. Foggy as hell.

I wanted to shoot 300, 400 and 600 but I hung targets at 300, 400 and 500 hoping the fog would clear. It didnt...it got worse. I could barely see my POA at 300 and 400...couldn't see 500 at all








300yd









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So @Birddog6424 's insistence on the .22s has me pondering a .22BRA. Any reason not to run than versus a .22BR. I have a ton of twice fired BRA brass laying around and it'd be an easy neck/shoulder bushing swap in my SAC 6BRA modular die.
I’ve been shooting a 22BRA this year. You’ll be able to run a wider range of powders. I’m currently running 32.0 of H4350 with 90 A tips at about 3010fps. We have a .130 freebore and to tell the truth I wouldn’t be afraid to run .150 or more. It’ll make good use of your brass
 
Haha, I insist damnit!!

I think the 22BRA would be brilliant. I tried to build one a couple of years ago. Manson was going to cut me a reamer, but I couldn't find a 22BRA specific die. I didn't want to sink custom die money into it, so I kept the BR. But if dies are available and you have the brass, hell yeh. I insist. 😉
A simple swap out of the bushing in my SAC die is all it will take. I'd just have to find a smith that has access to a reamer set up for 90gr A tips
 
I have quite a few rounds down the pipe now with the 22 Dasher. It's really nothing earth shaking but it mirrors the 22BR in its consistency.

In my 22BR I run a .255 neck and .130" freebore. I've done the same thing with the Dasher. I've ran 7" twists in my BR, but went a 7.5" twist with the Dasher in case I decided I really wanted to scream them out of there. These are Hawk Hill barrels with a .219 bore.

In load development with the Dasher running 85.5gr Berger LRHTs I loaded up to 32.8grs of Varget, which put me at 3300fps, and I was just starting to see a little added stiffness to the bolt lift. I suspect it'll hit close to 3400fps at pressure signs. At 31grs of Varget at .040 jump I get 3130fps with the Berger, and 3080fps with the 88gr ELDM. Which I found interesting, because my 22BR with 29grs of Varget gets 3040fps with the Berger, and 2990fps with the Hornady. A 50fps separation with both.

I'm thinking the Dasher is a nice round. I don't know if I would necessarily choose it over my BR. It seems to me that if a guy really wanted a fast moving round for varmints, the Dasher or GT would fit that bill nicely. I think the 22 Creedmoor becomes somewhat obsolete compared to these cartridges running less powder with lower recoil at similar speeds. But for PRS I think that BR is a solid performer.

I'm going to have some fun with this Dasher. Going to zip it out there at 3130fps with the Berger Hybrid and see how well it performs for the life of the barrel. 31grs of Varget is a pretty light load. It may just surprise me on how well it holds together.

Hmm.. I have a 224 1:7.5 Bartlein 5R laying in the safe Im trying to decide what to chamber it in.... Was thinking 22 Dasher, 22x47L since Im all setup with dies and tons of brass for 6.5x47L or 22GT... Still havent decided. Really love my 22BR with these 90smk right now....I gotta get a final number now that I have over 200rd down the barrel but looks like 3030 Im running these 90smk with 4166...
 
I have quite a few rounds down the pipe now with the 22 Dasher. It's really nothing earth shaking but it mirrors the 22BR in its consistency.

In my 22BR I run a .255 neck and .130" freebore. I've done the same thing with the Dasher. I've ran 7" twists in my BR, but went a 7.5" twist with the Dasher in case I decided I really wanted to scream them out of there. These are Hawk Hill barrels with a .219 bore.

In load development with the Dasher running 85.5gr Berger LRHTs I loaded up to 32.8grs of Varget, which put me at 3300fps, and I was just starting to see a little added stiffness to the bolt lift. I suspect it'll hit close to 3400fps at pressure signs. At 31grs of Varget at .040 jump I get 3130fps with the Berger, and 3080fps with the 88gr ELDM. Which I found interesting, because my 22BR with 29grs of Varget gets 3040fps with the Berger, and 2990fps with the Hornady. A 50fps separation with both.

I'm thinking the Dasher is a nice round. I don't know if I would necessarily choose it over my BR. It seems to me that if a guy really wanted a fast moving round for varmints, the Dasher or GT would fit that bill nicely. I think the 22 Creedmoor becomes somewhat obsolete compared to these cartridges running less powder with lower recoil at similar speeds. But for PRS I think that BR is a solid performer.

I'm going to have some fun with this Dasher. Going to zip it out there at 3130fps with the Berger Hybrid and see how well it performs for the life of the barrel. 31grs of Varget is a pretty light load. It may just surprise me on how well it holds together.
I have a 7 twist Bartlein 5r blank that I was going to use for my next 223 barrel. This has me wanting to try a 22 Dasher.
 
What are you using for a G7 on that 90gr SMK? AB lists that at a .259 for the tipped version. That seems low..

So my shooting partner is on his second season with the 22GT. For PRS I honestly believe there is no reason to go to the GT. Within the confines of the velocity limit, the 22 Dasher can do anything the GT can with less powder. That GT would make a hell of a coyote gun though.

Oddly enough, just like with the BR, nodes seem similar. He ran his at 3130fps last year with 88s and Atips.

The Dasher and BR are similar enough that it doesn't really make sense to own both.

I'll probably tinker a little more with a heavier bullet again this summer. I think that's where the Dasher will seperate itself from the BR, is the ability to run a 90gr Berger or SMK or 95gr SMK at 3100fps or better. If a guy was looking for that kind of performance. A 95gr SMK at 3130fps is like shooting a fast moving 6 Creedmoor with 25% less recoil and better barrel life..

Im using AB Custom Curve in my Kestrel for the 90smk and its been spot on. Before Kestrel had the Custom Curve for the 90smk I was using 0.563 G1 for a while with the new pointed in my 220TB and that was dead on. First shots at 1000yd I took dope was dead center impact 5 shots... Didnt use a G7 back then because G1 0.563 was all I could find on Sierra website...

I bought 200pc of SS tumbled 1xLapua 6BR for cheap and just converted them over to 22BR. I annealed them, ran them through the SAC sizer with 260 bushing then 247 bushing then trimmed/chamfer/debur on the Henderson... Loaded them up with 29.3gr 4166 and 88ELD 0.02 off to fireform today. Same load as my final 4166/90smk load. See how they shoot today.

After reading your last post, I said screw another cartridge and decided Im just gonna do another 22BR barrel with this Bartlein blank.... Just ordered a 22BR reamer from manson with 0.255 neck and 0.130 freebore. Fuck it, Im all in.
 
Pretty hard to go wrong with the 22BR. Its just a solid performer. And easy peasy to load and shoot.

I should get back to playing with the Custom Curve. I started using everything G7 a couple years ago when I had a barrel that just wouldn't play nice with the Curve. But I've found since then that curve really gains effectiveness when you start stretching a round down range.

Last year we stopped at a buddies range in northern Utah to grab zero and check dope before driving down a couple more hours to the Hornady PRC. I was smacking everything at <1000 yards with my 6GT, doing ok at 1200 and 1300, dropping way low at 1700 yards (the PRC has a 1600+ yard target every year). I was like .8 low. My buddy running the CC was still dead nuts at that distance. I clicked mine over to CC and it was within .1 of my actual hold.

I think I need to revisit that..

Yea I use AB CC for everything it's available for.....its been spot on as far as I have shot.

Just got back from fireforming another 100pc of brass with 88eld and 29.3gr 4166... 3016 and damn these 88 fireformung loads were hammering... wind as fuck and 35F....1.5mil wind hold and was hammering at 700. Idk why the hell I mess with any other bullet as well as these 88 have shot with zero load development to date with 88 eld....










 
Anyone playing with 22bra? Be a simple neck down with alpha brass, simple forming. Curios if it'd be worth it? The lack of case trimming would be a nice trait.
Post 573 up above is what I’m running. I fireformed my brass from necked down 6br. A buddy of mine is using bra necked down. I did neck down one piece of alpha just experiment. It wasn’t an issue. Should be simple. Neck one down, shove a bullet in it and measure the neck do you know if you’ll need to turn or not
 
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I’ve been shooting a 22BRA this year. You’ll be able to run a wider range of powders. I’m currently running 32.0 of H4350 with 90 A tips at about 3010fps. We have a .130 freebore and to tell the truth I wouldn’t be afraid to run .150 or more. It’ll make good use of your brass
Was there more velocity available and you chose that node or was that close to pressure? I'm running 88gr ELDs at 3086fps with 30.2gr of Varget in a 28" 22br.
 
Was there more velocity available and you chose that node or was that close to pressure? I'm running 88gr ELDs at 3086fps with 30.2gr of Varget in a 28" 22br.
I’m sure there’s more to be had but I’m not trying to hot rod it. I’m wanting to keep my brass in good shape. It’s been cool out so I’m not sure how much more pressure it’ll get when it warms up. I’m about 500 rounds into it. I did shoot some 88’s and 90 smk with 4166 at 3050fps no issues also in cool weather
 
I’m sure there’s more to be had but I’m not trying to hot rod it. I’m wanting to keep my brass in good shape. It’s been cool out so I’m not sure how much more pressure it’ll get when it warms up. I’m about 500 rounds into it. I did shoot some 88’s and 90 smk with 4166 at 3050fps no issues also in cool weather

What's your 4166 88 ELD/90SMK load?? I'm running 29.3gr 4166 with 90smk 2996 and 88 ELD 3016... no pressure, and I didn't go any higher than 29.6
 
What's your 4166 88 ELD/90SMK load?? I'm running 29.3gr 4166 with 90smk 2996 and 88 ELD 3016... no pressure, and I didn't go any higher than 29.6
30.0 so not a lot gained if anything with that particular powder, but I think the gain is with some of the slower powders. Possibly maintain 22br barrel life with a little extra velocity. Too early to tell.
 
Which slower powders are you playing with?
So far H4350 is it. I'm going to try some 6.5 Staball when I can get some, it should be as good as 4350 and be able to drop it from Lee powder measure pretty quickly. With today's powder situations if I needed to I'd probably try anything I had on hand within reason
 
Just finished putting 200 rounds through my barrel (speeding up and fire forming) so I ran a pressure test with Varget and 88gr ELDMs (shots 196-200).

Virgin Brass firing...
27.0 - 2,758
27.5 - 2,792
28.0 - 2,835
28.5 - 2,874
29.0 - 2,928

This is significantly slower than I would have thought after reading this thread.
 
Just finished putting 200 rounds through my barrel (speeding up and fire forming) so I ran a pressure test with Varget and 88gr ELDMs (shots 196-200).

Virgin Brass firing...
27.0 - 2,758
27.5 - 2,792
28.0 - 2,835
28.5 - 2,874
29.0 - 2,928

This is significantly slower than I would have thought after reading this thread.

I don't have any experience with .22BR, but some barrels are just awfully slow when compared to others.

My .300NM which has a benchmark barrel is awfully slow compared to other .300NM's. I push 230 Bergers slower than most .300 PRC's.
 
Just finished putting 200 rounds through my barrel (speeding up and fire forming) so I ran a pressure test with Varget and 88gr ELDMs (shots 196-200).

Virgin Brass firing...
27.0 - 2,758
27.5 - 2,792
28.0 - 2,835
28.5 - 2,874
29.0 - 2,928

This is significantly slower than I would have thought after reading this thread.

What barrel?? Length? .218 or .219 bore? Twist?

28.5gr Varget virgin brass during 1st firing with with 88 ELD I was at 2966....

29.1gr Varget with 90smk I'm at 2999

28" Mullerworks 4gr 1:7