22 creedmoor

[DLS]

I might add Alliants 4000MR is a great all around powder that’s overlooked by most. It’s one of the top velocity getters in the 6.5 Creedmoor with heavies and is usable up thru all the Medium & Magnum cartridges. Also unlike all the overseas made Alliant powders the price hasn’t shot to the moon.

 

[B-P-UU]

4000MR and Reloder 15.5 both will get 3500+ from a 1/8 20 inch barrel.
Don‘ t know if I would try the 62 VT if I were running a 1/7 twist due to RPM ‘s but I am sure someone is or will so that will shake out as more folks get their hands on them.

Mine is a 20" 1:8. Still working on barrel break-in but Varget and 69 TMK's as well as 75 ELD-M's with H4350 both show promise. Would like to try the 62's when I can find some.

 

[waspocrew]

Found a couple powder charges with the 85.5gr that seem to work, 3205(bottom 5) and 3235(top 5). Felt a few in bottom group break high and right, scope is farther back than optimal for prone shooting and felt a bit scrunched up.View attachment 8346431

I might have missed this - which powder are you using?

 

[6brshooter]

H4831sc, Peterson srp, and cci450

 

[Iron Worker]

Has anyone used Short Action Customs dies for their 22 Creedmoor or any caliber? They're expensive. Are they worth it?

 

[mjspeers]

Has anyone used Short Action Customs dies for their 22 Creedmoor or any caliber? They're expensive. Are they worth it?

I use the SAC seater and sizing die. I think they’re fantastic. The seater is great for everything in the bolt head family. If you do anything else in the creed family with the sizing die, there’s utility there. I started with a set of Whidden, the seater crushed the case.

 

[BigOldPhatboy]

Has anyone used Short Action Customs dies for their 22 Creedmoor or any caliber? They're expensive. Are they worth it?

Totally worth it for me. I load 22, 6, and 6.5 Creed. the sizing die allows me to taylor the amount of sizing to whatever brand of brass that I am using.
Whether it be Lapua, Alpha, or Hornady.

 

[DCC83501]

I load for 6.5,6, and 22 Creedmoor myself. Most bolt, but couple gassers as well. SAC bushings in use but may have to look at SAC full length sizing die.

 

[max1840]

I load for 6.5,6, and 22 Creedmoor myself. Most bolt, but couple gassers as well. SAC bushings in use but may have to look at SAC full length sizing die.

I load for the same calibers also and use the SAC sizing die for them. You also get the benifits of the neck/shoulder bushing.

edit: plus the expander operation all in one step

 

[6brshooter]

After a seating depth test, I settled on 43.1gr h4831sc and .010 off with 90gr vld. Shot them at 750 today to see how they watermarked, decent breeze from 4 o'clock. Right at 120ish rds on barrel and looks likenits sped up from the 3220fps this load runs.

 

[Iron Worker]

I've found the loads I'll take to MT Prairie dog fields. 132 rounds down my new rifle. 26" Rem Varmint contour Muller works 8"twist bbl Bat Igniter action McMillian Game Warden 2.0 stock Trigger Tech Special trigger.
Alpha brass 41.0 gr of H4350 75gr ELD average velocity 3537 6.6 SD out of 10 rounds tight groups on a cold, windy day.
Alpha Brass 42.5grs H4350 behind Hornady's new 62gr ELD-VT bullet out of 5 shots average velocity was 3,844 MOA SD of 23.9 43grs out of 5 shots was 3,873 SD of 11.8same MOA accuracy Then I tried some 60gr Nosler BT with 43 grs of H4350 Peterson brass average velocity was 3,880 with SD of 16.3 and then 3 shots of 43grs of H4350 behind a 55grs Nosler varmingeddon for 4,040 FPS with under 1/2 MOA all at 100yds. My rifle doesn't like H1000. I wonder which of today's loads will be the hardest on the barrel. Also, there are zero pressure signs and no hard extractions.

 

[wildturkey2]

Tried some new powders, I was very cautious on this lot and will be bumping the charge up after this batch. This was a super accurate load but rather slow for this cartridge.

80gr Amax
imr 4451
38.4 gr
3105 fps
*mild recoiling, could see shots appear on paper with can on*
24" barrel
da: 1300, 75 degrees

Pederson data shows 43grains of H 4350 running a 80 grain bullets to be way over pressure.am I missing something? I just had a 22 CM built so just wondering just have to work up I suppose. where did you guys start say 41 grains .

 

[6brshooter]

My barrel sped up about 80fps and the solid load was now making faint ejector marks on a few pieces of brass. Slowed back to 3234fps Ave with a 4.8sd over 10rds. Here's the 5rds on paper, the other 5 were on steel, downrange.

Peterson srp, cci450, 42.4fr h4831sc, 90gr vld .010off in a 24" 7tw criterion.

 

[DLS]

In my rifle 42.0 gr of H4350 was above 72,000PSI with 75gr in Lapua necked down brass FWIW. There is a reason Hodgdon doesn’t show any data with H4350 with any bullet weights in 22Creedmoor…..just say’n

 

[Kjb1796]

Just wondering how many rpms are these bullets going to take before they start not getting to the target?

I thought about 3400 fps in an 8 twist bbl was about the limit?

 

[Wes owens]

Are you using Large Rifle Primer brass for your loads on the 75 gr ELM?
I’m still shooting some Copper Creek 75ELMs and I’m in process of start loading for it. Got plenty of H4350

 

[Iron Worker]

Are you using Large Rifle Primer brass for your loads on the 75 gr ELM?
I’m still shooting some Copper Creek 75ELMs and I’m in process of start loading for it. Got plenty of H4350

Yes, Federal 210 LR Match. What velocity are you getting out of the Copper Creek ammo?

 

[wildturkey2]

Just wondering how many rpms are these bullets going to take before they start not getting to the target?

I thought about 3400 fps in an 8 twist bbl was about the limit?

Yes, Federal 210 LR Match. What velocity are you getting out of the Copper Creek ammo?

Wonder what powder their using? Copper creek.

 

[Wes owens]

Yes, Federal 210 LR Match. What velocity are you getting out of the Copper Creek ammo?

22” barrell 3308 sds aren’t that great

 

[Wes owens]

Wonder what powder they’re using? Copper creek.

Not sure they want you to do a load pack and buy at least 100 rounds and they’ll give you the data

 

[Iron Worker]

Wonder what powder their using? Copper creek.

I pulled one apart 80 gr ELD,it looked like H4350. Out of my 26"bbl rifle I was getting 3350 with close SD

 

[wildturkey2]

I pulled one apart 80 gr ELD,it looked like H4350. Out of my 26"bbl rifle I was getting 3350 with close SD

Ok thanks did you measure grains of powder by chance?

 

[Heretic]

Savage 110 donor action, MDT LSS Chassis, Criterion barrel 24" 1 in 7" twist. 77 grain SMK over 36.5 grains of H4350, 100yds. COAL - 2.570, didn't chrono. QL predicted 2963fps at hair under 44K psi.

 

[Iron Worker]

Ok thanks did you measure grains of powder by chance?

It was 41.3 grs, now am I certain it was H4350? It sure looked like it, or was it Re#16

 

[wildturkey2]

It was 41.3 grs, now am I certain it was H4350? It sure looked like it, or was it Re#16

Ok I understand only reference point

 

[6brshooter]

It was 41.3 grs, now am I certain it was H4350? It sure looked like it, or was it Re#16

Don't have any hi res pics of that powder, do you? All the re16 I have is dark charcoal to black and is irregular cut/shaped pieces. H4350 is kind of a greenish-dark grey color and is pretty uniformly cylinder shape and all kernals are very close to same length.

 

[Iron Worker]

Don't have any hi res pics of that powder, do you? All the re16 I have is dark charcoal to black and is irregular cut/shaped pieces. H4350 is kind of a greenish-dark grey color and is pretty uniformly cylinder shape and all kernals are very close to same length.

I do not, plus I've already shot them all.

 

[STI_1911_Guy]

I thought I'd try a 22creed, seems like a neat rd. Nuke 2.0 action, 26" varm criterion 7tw barrel nut, Peterson srp 22creed brass, cci450, h4831sc and 95smk. Started load testing today with 42.4gr set as max, with plans to go up if primers looked alright. Bullets are set .020 off rifling as a generic starting point. Anywho, 5 powder weights/3rds per weight just to see what it will do. Ground was saturated and bright sun/60° with 4-5mph wind= some mirage and soup to deal with.

Everything was going fine until first rd of the 4th powder charge. Bullet didn't impact as predicted. As I scanned target in that area, I then saw a large rip 4" low and 3-4"left of aiming point. I shot the next 2 rds and they landed as predicted. Shot the 5th charge weight and those rds performed as expected.

Has anyone saw or heard issues with 95smk? I generally assume keyholes are too slow fps/too slow twist. I had no issue at slower/lower powder charges. Barrel was allowed to cool to ambient before string. Got any ideas?

I’ve ran into a similar issue. I have a 7 twist criterion pre fit and I wanted to run the 95 smk and I did but with the occasional issue that got more common as the barrel wore. So I switched to the 90 smk and and I ran great for awhile at 3280fps until I had some start hitting sideways or huge poi shift. I talked to Sierra and they said the 95 smk was designed for long 223 barrels with max velocity of 2900 fps and the 90 smk was designed for the 224 valkery again 2900 or less. He said with the thin jackets you are more likely to see issues as the throat begins to fire crack. This is on point from what I saw.

 

[ncyotecaller]

I’ve ran into a similar issue. I have a 7 twist criterion pre fit and I wanted to run the 95 smk and I did but with the occasional issue that got more common as the barrel wore. So I switched to the 90 smk and and I ran great for awhile at 3280fps until I had some start hitting sideways or huge poi shift. I talked to Sierra and they said the 95 smk was designed for long 223 barrels with max velocity of 2900 fps and the 90 smk was designed for the 224 valkery again 2900 or less. He said with the thin jackets you are more likely to see issues as the throat begins to fire crack. This is on point from what I saw.

95gr SMK’s at 3080fps got me my first ever top 5 finish in a PRS match last Saturday. I could hear the RO’s while I was shooting saying “that thing is a laser beam”.

 

[wildturkey2]

95gr SMK’s at 3080fps got me my first ever top 5 finish in a PRS match last Saturday. I could hear the RO’s while I was shooting saying “that thing is a laser beam”.

All good information

 

[232593]

Anyone run the Berger 90 grain bullets at 3100+ in a 1:7 or 1:6.5 twist barrel? Do they hold up ok or come apart?

 

[wildturkey2]

Anyone run the Berger 90 grain bullets at 3100+ in a 1:7 or 1:6.5 twist barrel? Do they hold up ok or come apart?

No I’m going to run 75 & 80.5 grain bullets in a 1/8 twist.

 

[6brshooter]

Anyone run the Berger 90 grain bullets at 3100+ in a 1:7 or 1:6.5 twist barrel? Do they hold up ok or come apart?

So far so good with 90gr bergers and h4831sc in a 7tw criterion at 3225ish. Original load was 3210, barrel sped up to 3280 but still worked fine. I backed down to 3225.

 

[232593]

So far so good with 90gr bergers and h4831sc in a 7tw criterion at 3225ish. Original load was 3210, barrel sped up to 3280 but still worked fine. I backed down to 3225.

Is that a 1:7 twist?

 

[6brshooter]

Is that a 1:7 twist?

Yes sir

 

[232593]

Yes sir

Awesome thank you. Trying to figure out the twist & potential projectiles for my next 22CM AR10 barrel.

 

[Kocher]

Pederson data shows 43grains of H 4350 running a 80 grain bullets to be way over pressure.am I missing something? I just had a 22 CM built so just wondering just have to work up I suppose. where did you guys start say 41 grains .

Hmmm One of these cases, is not like the other


hey, I got one pop quiz. How do you increase your velocity by 150ft./s without adding any powder super cheap way to increase speed.!!!
NOT…


I wouldn’t max charge any round before you work up to it but hey, do what you want


federal cases are not top quality like Peterson and I’m willing to bet that Peterson would easily take the pressure


I found the main culprit=.
Neck tension= not sure how these were so work hardened but damn couldn’t get them out with a press mounted, collet bullet puller w/o destroying or severely marking the bullet.

A tight reamer /the neck area probably needs a few .00’s than what it has.

all Schilling barrels that I have, that are chambered by Schilling, have a very low thousand space between the neck and the chamber wall . (too bad about the spelling, but I can’t spell it. I’m not going to.)


should have anesled it and maybe even cut a few thousands off the neck


What an interesting learning day I had
Happy I didn’t flame-cut defiance bolt head

I’m sure there’s difference in case volume as well why one was OK and one it wasn’t..

 

[wildturkey2]

Hmmm One of these cases, is not like the other


hey, I got one pop quiz. How do you increase your velocity by 150ft./s without adding any powder super cheap way to increase speed.!!!
NOT…


I wouldn’t max charge any round before you work up to it but hey, do what you want


federal cases are not top quality like Peterson and I’m willing to bet that Peterson would easily take the pressure


I found the main culprit=.
Neck tension= not sure how these were so work hardened but damn couldn’t get them out with a press mounted, collet bullet puller w/o destroying or severely marking the bullet.

A tight reamer /the neck area probably needs a few .00’s than what it has.

all Schilling barrels that I have, that are chambered by Schilling, have a very low thousand space between the neck and the chamber wall . (too bad about the spelling, but I can’t spell it. I’m not going to.)


should have anesled it and maybe even cut a few thousands off the neck


What an interesting learning day I had
Happy I didn’t flame-cut defiance bolt head

I’m sure there’s difference in case volume as well why one was OK and one it wasn’t..

Ok thanks guys

 

[wildturkey2]

This is my favorite rifle, too. I've worked up a couple different loads with slower powders. I'm currently shooting a rifle I built with a Bartlein 1:7.7 twist M24 taper with a Brownells Stryker Ridge action (made by Defiance) in a Manners EH1. I'm about to replace the barrel in this rifle after approximately 800 rounds. Note, I shoot it like I stole it. I'm rough on my barrels but since I can rechamber myself I don't worry too much.

All are from 26" barrels (two different rifles) and CCI200's and 6mm Hornady brass. I've got 100 pieces of Lapua 22-250 brass that I'm fireforming now with 38 grains of R26. Simply load the 22-250 and shoot. Nothing needs to be done to the brass before fireforming. I've yet to work up a load with the Lapua brass. All velocities measure with a MagnetoSpeed.

Sorry for not following the format outlined. But, what I've found, is that if it works in the 6 Creed with the 105 Hybrid it works fairly well in the 22 Creed with bullet weights from 75-82 grains.

75 grain AMAX - Note, I didn't shoot these but gathered them from a couple others that did.
46 grains MRP. Over 3500 fps.
45 grains 4831SC. ~3500 fps.
45 grains R26. ~3650 fps.

77 grain Sierra TMK
41 grains R26 - 3130 fps, 42 grains produced a decent crater in the primer
45 grains 4831SC - 3320 fps. I use the same load in my 6 Creed.
45 grains MRP - 3545 fps, SD 11.8

80 grain ELD-M - There was something about this bullet that didn't work but my notes don't tell me what that was.
48 grains R26 - 3650 fps. Decent 100 yard grouping, 1-1.2" at 200 yards
49 grains R26 - 3750 fps. I did no accuracy testing.

82 grain Berger
45.5 grains 4831SC - 3517 fps. 46 grains had no pressure signs. I shoot the same load in my 6 Creed with the 105 Hybrid.
45.5 grains R26 - 3540 fps. SD 8.1. I shoot the same load in my 6 Creed with the 105 Hybrid.
45 grains MRP - 3400. good accuracy. I shoot the same load in my 6 Creed with the 105 Hybrid.
46 grains MRP - 3515. Good accuracy at 100, horrible at 200.

Has anyone had any luck with the Hornaday 75 edlm s In their 22 CM I have some Berger 80.5 but Hornaday is cheaper?

 

[JR1200W3]

Has anyone had any luck with the Hornaday 75 edlm s In their 22 CM I have some Berger 80.5 but Hornaday is cheaper?

You can buy 88 and 75 ELDMs from Red River Reloading for cheaper than anywhere else. I've had good luck with 88's that I bought for $0.24 a piece. I haven't bothered with 75s for the CM because I'm limited to 3200fps for velocity regardless of what bullet I shoot so might as well be the 88. Sorry, no help there.

 

[4O6shootist]

Has anyone had any luck with the Hornaday 75 edlm s In their 22 CM I have some Berger 80.5 but Hornaday is cheaper?

I've had great luck with them in 22cm's. Seated 50k jump at 3150 in my 18" barrel, 40.6 H4350, very mild load, 3350fps in my 22" barrel with another 0.8gr powder.

 

[6brshooter]

75 eldm 10thou off with 42.6gr h4350 is 3420fps in my 22". Only needs half a dime to cover groups.

 

[wildturkey2]

75 eldm 10thou off with 42.6gr h4350 is 3420fps in my 22". Only needs half a dime to cover groups.

Ok thanks

 

[6brshooter]

Ok thanks

Work up to that. It shows no pressure in Peterson srp brass, I worked up to that after barrel sped up 80fps.

 

[SupressYourself]

Has anyone had any luck with the Hornaday 75 edlm s In their 22 CM I have some Berger 80.5 but Hornaday is cheaper?

41.4 gr of RL16 gives me 3330 FPS out of a 20" barrel. Alpha brass. Shoots great.

 

[ifgator]

For those looking at which twist rate they want IMO I would avoid 6.5 twist. IMO I think 7 is too fast as well. My next 22CM barrel will be an 8 twist. I shot 88 grain ELDM's and I was stuck at 3200 FPS and the reason was RPM's. When deciding on a bullet and if you have an idea on velocity then I would calculate RPM's and make sure you are okay with rpm's and velocity. I was blowing up rounds in a new barrel because of RPM's. Good luck. Also a quick phone call to the bullet maker to find out what RPM the bullet can handle can save you some regret.
All of this is my experience. Your experience may vary. Good luck

 

[Wes owens]

For those looking at which twist rate they want IMO I would avoid 6.5 twist. IMO I think 7 is too fast as well. My next 22CM barrel will be an 8 twist. I shot 88 grain ELDM's and I was stuck at 3200 FPS and the reason was RPM's. When deciding on a bullet and if you have an idea on velocity then I would calculate RPM's and make sure you are okay with rpm's and velocity. I was blowing up rounds in a new barrel because of RPM's. Good luck. Also a quick phone call to the bullet maker to find out what RPM the bullet can handle can save you some regret.
All of this is my experience. Your experience may vary. Good luck

That’s good to know! Mine is a 8 twist 22” barrel with the 75 Gr Hornadys @ 3440 FPS
This is a copper creek load I haven’t started a load yet was going to try H-4350 large rifle primer and Peterson brass

 

[wildturkey2]

For those looking at which twist rate they want IMO I would avoid 6.5 twist. IMO I think 7 is too fast as well. My next 22CM barrel will be an 8 twist. I shot 88 grain ELDM's and I was stuck at 3200 FPS and the reason was RPM's. When deciding on a bullet and if you have an idea on velocity then I would calculate RPM's and make sure you are okay with rpm's and velocity. I was blowing up rounds in a new barrel because of RPM's. Good luck. Also a quick phone call to the bullet maker to find out what RPM the bullet can handle can save you some regret.
All of this is my experience. Your experience may vary. Good luck

Ok thanks good information I will be running a 8 twist in my 22 CM I will be running 75 to 80.5 bullets I think these are perfect weights for the 22 CM

 

[6brshooter]

7 tw for some 90gr bergers, they seem to be the only heavy bullet thar won't eat itself at more than 3100fps. 24" 7tw slings 90s@3230, my 22" 8tw sends 75gr@3430.

 

[wildturkey2]

7 tw for some 90gr bergers, they seem to be the only heavy bullet thar won't eat itself at more than 3100fps. 24" 7tw slings 90s@3230, my 22" 8tw sends 75gr@3430.