Better off for what? I use the 75 due to rules in PRS but I am sure if you have the 80s they will work fine too. I would use the 75 data at the lower end and work up. What’s your oal to lands with 80s?
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Just because its a 223, does not mean you are required to shoot in the Tactical division. Just compete in the open division and shed your limitations.Better off for what? I use the 75 due to rules in PRS but I am sure if you have the 80s they will work fine too. I would use the 75 data at the lower end and work up. What’s your oal to lands with 80s?
How far is 2.521 away from the lands?Anyone shooting 80 grain SMKS at or around 24 grains of Varget? With them long ( 2.521" ) GRT is giving me an overpressure issue.
Thanks guys.
Yeah I know that but you are handicapping yourself a lot shooting any .223 in open. No reason to do it and why I stick to Tac for it. Have other rifles for open. Difference between a 80 and 75 will do nothing for you in matches.Just because its a 223, does not mean you are required to shoot in the Tactical division. Just compete in the open division and shed your limitations.
Well maybe if we only consider 80s as the upper limit...Yeah I know that but you are handicapping yourself a lot shooting any .223 in open. No reason to do it and why I stick to Tac for it. Have other rifles for open. Difference between a 80 and 75 will do nothing for you in matches.
safe to say Rob doesn't shoot matches for a prize tableWell that's cool, but I've never seen a prize table where they call the top Open class then top Tac and alternate down the list... which they really should BTW.
It's always gone by total score. So all that matters is where you are in the overall, as far as the prize table is concerned.
Well that's cool, but I've never seen a prize table where they call the top Open class then top Tac and alternate down the list... which they really should BTW.
It's always gone by total score. So all that matters is where you are in the overall, as far as the prize table is concerned.
Well sure... top shooters... maybe 1st, 2nd, 3rd...but what about everyone after that?Well I guess if all you care about is the prize table then do whatever you want to get higher. I just like shooting Tac every now and then for the challenge and to shoot my rifles. But I have seen matches where they let top shooters in Divisions walk the table first so there is that.
Well sure... top shooters... maybe 1st, 2nd, 3rd...but what about everyone after that?
The fourth place Tactical guy might be 70th in the overall.
Sorry, I don't mean to derail this thread.
I'd disagree with that part. It'd be a first place if I hadn't shot the wrong target 3 times like a dumbass. I stopped shooting 2 day prs matches for many reasons but Mark Rosset finished top 3 a few times with a bare muzzle 223 back in 2015/2016 time frame. I'm not going to pretend I'd be able to finish top 3 at a national level 2 day match but thats me not the fault of the cartridge. It's pretty easy to get a 223 to match up ballistically to a 6br and also a 6 Dasher if you have the right barrel length and chamber.Yeah I know that but you are handicapping yourself a lot shooting any .223 in open. No reason to do it and why I stick to Tac for it. Have other rifles for open.
Calm down now lol. No one said best... Just competitive with the right build specs. I care about what works well not about what is popular. No reason to take it personal and over react.Disagree all you guys want. I really don't care. Go shoot your .223s against the others in Open. Less Tac shooters. LOL Knock yourselves out as it's not that big of a deal but if it was that great of an idea don't you think others would be hopping on the bandwagon? LOL
I guess this is the whole ".223 is the new best Open class cartridge" thread now. LOL
LOL Not taking anything personal and actually think it's funny that you guys feel so strongly about the .223 being competitive. And you are wrong because in this sport everyone is running to the next best thing and if the .223 with a specific set up was going no recoil and 6mm ballistics then everyone would run to it. Again have fun with it in open.Calm down now lol. No one said best... Just competitive with the right build specs. I care about what works well not about what is popular. No reason to take it personal and over react.
And back to the reloading thread, better off for what? I use the 75 due to rules in PRS FOR TAC DIVISION but I am sure if you have the 80s they will work fine too. I would use the 75 data at the lower end and work up. What’s your oal to lands with 80s?Anyone have opinions on 75 vs 80 eldm? I have a box of the 80s but am wondering if I'm better off with 75s. Rifle is a 24" bartlein barrel 1-7" twist wylde chamber. I want to use 8208. Of course the hornady manual has data for the 75 with 8208, but not the 80. What's a good powder range to work up a load in?
And back to the reloading thread, better off for what? I use the 75 due to rules in PRS FOR TAC DIVISION but I am sure if you have the 80s they will work fine too. I would use the 75 data at the lower end and work up. What’s your oal to lands with 80s?
Just looked and Hodgdon has data for the 80grn SMK bullets and 8208. Says 19grn min and 21grn max.
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Hey Rob what do those 75 eld measure at length wise? Just the bullet itself. I'm curious how much longer the 80gr is.
LOL Not taking anything personal and actually think it's funny that you guys feel so strongly about the .223 being competitive. And you are wrong because in this sport everyone is running to the next best thing and if the .223 with a specific set up was going no recoil and 6mm ballistics then everyone would run to it. Again have fun with it in open.
Dude horse is dead. Stop beating it. This is a reloading thread. Start your own “.223 is best PRS round” thread.
More like "Look I discovered what F-TR guys have been doing with the 223 for a couple of decades and need to claim it's my own idea to feel special on the internet."
223 is a tough one to get low deviation
The lowest that I have personally seen with my loads was 9, and that was with Lapua brass, Federal 205 primers, and 8208.
On edit: 5 FPS is equivalent to about 1" at 500 yards. Wind is going to be way more of an influence on the little bullet than the velocity.
It's not all that hard. All you really need is an Analytical balance and good reloading practics but as you pointed out, on steel an inch does not mean much. It also helps to have a tight neck and a tight freebore.
Actually wind with 88s or 90s will be identical or even less than 105s from a 6 BR or 6 Dasher.
Oh now that's funny. I have repeatedly posted links on SH (for the benefit of disbelievers) to a PDF article in the DCRA magazine from 20 years ago that discussed heavies in the 223 with similar ballistics. Guys like yourself seem to assume I'm floating this on my own and have no background. Let's dismiss my role as a Canadian 223 F Class shooter at the time the DCRA article was published running said loads.
I have never claimed this to be of my own design as many of us shared knowledge before and since this period.
My contribution is simply in showing guys that (F Class style) heavies can be used in a repeater, (with a 20 year old F Class chamber) by a simple mag modification using a Rem 700 compatible action.
I am aware of nobody else who is doing so, at least who did not get the idea from me.
Anyone have an opinion on my coal for the 80 eld?
Are you sure your bumping the shoulder enough? Ive been messing with the 80s, have some 75s to try next. You really need to get the 80s and especially the 88s going fairly fast to be worth shooting in a 223. Hard to beat that 75. Ive been shooting the 80s at some 600y high power. Right around 3050ish maybe more with a 26" barrel. Still experimenting but what I am reading online is they like a good amount of jump. Even around .050" some say. I think I'm jumping mine about .030 I have to check though. I loaded 10 rounds each 75 and 80 ELD with an increasing charge weight of N140, I shot the same point of aim while chronoing and looking for pressure. They made 2 cloverleaf 10 round groups despite being different charges.Not that I can see but I'll have to mess with it more. I think most of the feeling I'm getting is just cock on close.
I know it's a broad question but has anyone gotten the TMK 77 from Sierra to shoot "good". For me they shoot on a good day .4" and on a bad .6", so let's say on avg .5" MOA.
I started with them jammed and got my best accuracy around 11 tho back. Granted I didn't test every length back to say mag length (I'm at 2.41" currently ). Perhaps I should have another go at mag length and work longer?
Now the 80SMKs... love em. They shoot .225" all day long.
So, any sharpies have great suscess with the 77TMK?