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Does anyone have load data for Re15 or Re19, shooting a 70g or 85g bullet?

Probably an odd request, but I've got a decent supply of each and would like to load 150 rounds with these powders before dipping into the Varget, H4350 and match bullets.
 
Also would like info on 115 dtacs. Lucky to find anything right now. Just bought G.A. production rifle. Not sure on freebore. 7.2 twist. Thanks
 
So hornady has more capacity ,but alpha is faster, with less power?
Same load with two different case capacities is going to give you different speed and barrel harmonics. This will likely impact your group size and point of impact.

If the explosion is contained in a smaller vessel it will build more pressure. That is why he said the Alpha would likely be faster with the same load.

Develop a load for both type cases and don’t mix them while shooting. That would be most people’s suggestion, mine included.
 
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Same load with two different case capacities is going to give you different speed and barrel harmonics. This will likely impact your group size and point of impact.

If the explosion is contained in a smaller vessel it will build more pressure. That is why he said the Alpha would likely be faster with the same load.

Develop a load for both type cases and don’t mix them while shooting. That would be most people’s suggestion, mine included.
I get it now ,thanks guys . I greatly appreciate ,all of you that gave your honest opinion.
Again thanks .
 
Well I got 400 alpha non OCD and 250 Hornady , for me and my son ,and I didn’t want for him to use one brand and me an other.
I thought that it wouldn’t matter that much , but the guys who posted earlier ,make a lot of sense. The best thing to do is do two different loads and see how it goes .
I was only 9 FPS faster when switching from Hornady brass to Alpha OCD brass with the same weight of powder, same primers, same bullet and same barrel.
 
I wish id gone ocd brass, and the pallet that GA received 3 day ago was gone in like 24 hrs. The Hornady brass is okay, but any loadings with 105-110gr bullets goin over 2950 in my 28" barrel results in loose pockets after two firings. Once again a Hornady fail.....
We aren’t going to go over the 2950 ,I think anything between 28 and 2900 is what we are looking for .
 
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I've certainly been struggling with my GT. Honestly though, I think its unrelated to the round itself. It simply won't stay on a node.

I put a couple hundred rounds on the new barrel, it had damn near no copper build up in it. Went to load development, landed on a great node at 2920fps and shot a .1 group with it. While practicing the load became ridiculously fast and inaccurate, 18 SD 56 ES. Scrubbed the barrel, it was a disaster of copper and carbon, and it settled back into that same node shooting bugholes. 200 rounds later, its a shotgun blast and velocity is all over.

So at this point I've scrubbed it again, and I'm just waiting for a break in the rain storm to go out and chrono it again. I'm 600 rounds into this barrel, I should have long since left finicky behavior behind. And this is my fifth Hawk Hill barrel from Shawn. All my others have been great. So much so that I keep buying them.

So we'll see. Im starting to get irritated with it.
don't you think your SD and ES are too high? To me single digit numbers is what i look for
 
I've certainly been struggling with my GT. Honestly though, I think its unrelated to the round itself. It simply won't stay on a node.

I put a couple hundred rounds on the new barrel, it had damn near no copper build up in it. Went to load development, landed on a great node at 2920fps and shot a .1 group with it. While practicing the load became ridiculously fast and inaccurate, 18 SD 56 ES. Scrubbed the barrel, it was a disaster of copper and carbon, and it settled back into that same node shooting bugholes. 200 rounds later, its a shotgun blast and velocity is all over.

So at this point I've scrubbed it again, and I'm just waiting for a break in the rain storm to go out and chrono it again. I'm 600 rounds into this barrel, I should have long since left finicky behavior behind. And this is my fifth Hawk Hill barrel from Shawn. All my others have been great. So much so that I keep buying them.

So we'll see. Im starting to get irritated with it.
Your ES and SD aren't really standing out as what I'd classify as a "node."

Maybe time to start over.
 
This was my node in the pics below.

But within 60 rounds of shooting those rounds across the chrono and shooting that group, my velocity climbed up, my SD was ridiculous, and it stopped grouping.

So I scrubbed it, it was filthy with copper and carbon. And it went back down to a 4 SD in 10 shots, and was single hole again.

So I took it to an NRL match, 190 rounds. Just checked it yesterday, and its back to 18 SD and 51 ES. Utter garbage. There's just no excuse for it.

And they are the exact same rounds I loaded and checked before the match. I loaded 250 at the same time.




Have you doubled checked your powder weight , to make sure you are on point? Also what do you use to seat your bullets, do you prep your brass?
 
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guys also have you guys thought that your speed is a little too hot , that might be the reason of the build up, I might be wrong.
Hornady Brass (Virgin)
CCI BR-4 primer
105gr Berger Hybrid ~75 thou off the lands
34.2gr Varget - Not a compressed load, but fills the case up ~97%
26" Bartlein, standard .120 freebore reamer

Gives me ~2980 fps, half MOA or less groups, and single digit SD's

I've seen multiple guys try and run this cartridge too slow (with varget anyway) and it doesn't end well. Lots of dented brass because it didn't have enough pressure to properly seal up.
 
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Hornady Brass (Virgin)
CCI BR-4 primer
105gr Berger Hybrid ~75 thou off the lands
34.2gr Varget - Not a compressed load, but fills the case up ~97%
26" Bartlein, standard .120 freebore reamer

Gives me ~2980 fps, half MOA or less groups, and single digit SD's

I've seen multiple guys try and run this cartridge too slow (with varget anyway) and it doesn't end well. Lots of dented brass because it didn't have enough pressure to properly seal up.
how many rounds do you have barrel ?
 
flawless ?
The rounds I've loaded? They've been flawless so far...

Factory ammo, not so much. I put about 100 rounds of prime's offering through it and was pretty dissapointed. They run 115gr nosler RDF's over a ball powder (I suspect StaBall) and I think they developed their stuff for the .170 freebore chambers. I had to seat their stuff back 20 thousandths plus just to not be jamming in the lands. Called them about it, but they told me my chamber was "really tight." Asked them what reamer they developed it for and at first they said SAAMI (there's not a SAAMI spec yet) but then they just said "the standard reamer." Bartlein spun it up for me and they used a reamer to GA spec at .120 freebore (what George recommends unless you're going to be running the heavy stuff mostly)
 
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The rounds I've loaded? They've been flawless so far...

Factory ammo, not so much. I put about 100 rounds of prime's offering through it and was pretty dissapointed. They run 115gr nosler RDF's over a ball powder (I suspect StaBall) and I think they developed their stuff for the .170 freebore chambers. I had to seat their stuff back 20 thousandths plus just to not be jamming in the lands. Called them about it, but they told me my chamber was "really tight." Asked them what reamer they developed it for and at first they said SAAMI (there's not a SAAMI spec yet) but then they just said "the standard reamer." Bartlein spun it up for me and they used a reamer to GA spec at .120 freebore (what George recommends unless you're going to be running the heavy stuff mostly)
Also if I recall correctly George also recommended for the bullet to be 105’s . I don’t know why people try to go heavier , if it was the caliber was done to spit the 105’s.
 
This was my node in the pics below.

But within 60 rounds of shooting those rounds across the chrono and shooting that group, my velocity climbed up, my SD was ridiculous, and it stopped grouping.

So I scrubbed it, it was filthy with copper and carbon. And it went back down to a 4 SD in 10 shots, and was single hole again.

So I took it to an NRL match, 190 rounds. Just checked it yesterday, and its back to 18 SD and 51 ES. Utter garbage. There's just no excuse for it.

And they are the exact same rounds I loaded and checked before the match. I loaded 250 at the same time.





Is this Varget (or what powder) that your seeing this powder and carbon fouling? That's an excellent target and grouping.
 
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Its a PITA...but if it shoots that good with that combo...I'd say leave it alone, and just clean it after every range session/match day. Takes 15-20 minutes?

You can burn up a good barrel, trying to make it do what you wanna do (or at least I have). That looks to be a very solid grouping load/gun, especially if you get that to repeat over multiple test sessions.
 
So I scrubbed and went out to check the load. Still shot like hell.

So back to the drawing board. I ran a shot string this morning of the usual charge weights, and the results were identical to the previous two. No matter how I slice it the nodes are right there at 2850'ish and 2920fps. Three for three is pretty conclusive.

This is 35.7 and 35.9grs. I've been loading 35.8.



This is 34.5, 34.7, and 34.9 all within 12fps of each other.



So I'm on the node. I'm going to rule out that the load isn't right and figure reloading practices are good.

At the top of the list for my suspicions is an issue with this barrel. Its giving me inconsistent pressures.. I hope that isn't the case and I stumble on something I havent thought of yet. But ideas are getting thin on the ground.

Your spread is 123 fps. That is not a node.

Time to start over.
 
Anyone getting ejector swipe on new hornady brass? Shooting dtacs at 2750. 35.2 h4350
60 rounds on new barrel. I know hornady is soft. Is this common?
 
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I'm currently running the 108 bergers but the load is the same for the 109s or the 110 atips. Just depends on barrel and lot of powder at times but both of my current GT barrels have been very consistent and accurate, similar to my dashers previously. I found best speeds for these bullets in the 2850-2890 range, usually 32.2-32.8 gr of varget for me with lots of jump. The load in my last barrel pretty much stayed the same for 2000 rounds.

I've also had a lot better luck with the Alpha OCD brass. Hornady brass is gtg when new but lost consistency for me over a number of firings.
 
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I dont know the exact amount of seating pressure. It doesn't "feel" any different. I run a Sinclair mandrel through the neck before seating. Neck tension is always dead nuts at .002", the neck expands .003" while firing, and I can slide a bullet into the case neck of a fired piece of brass. The seating stem leaves no marks on the bullet.

I'm not a maniacal case prepper. Never have been and have never needed to be. I tumble for two hours after every firing, anneal every third. This is all once fired brass.

This is my 7th year of shooting PRS. Ive been through i dont know how many barrels across a handful of calibers. I've never seen this before. But you dont know what you dont know. Maybe someone will read this and have gone through the same issue.
I don’t have a lot of time shooting ,but what I do know ,in my case . Is that when I don’t brass prep , I get different seating pressures, some higher than others ,and those higher pressured ones . Shoot faster then the lower pressure ones . Now that is my case, I hope someone with more knowledge shines in with this . As I am learning as well .
 
I don’t have a lot of time shooting ,but what I do know ,in my case . Is that when I don’t brass prep , I get different seating pressures, some higher than others ,and those higher pressured ones . Shoot faster then the lower pressure ones . Now that is my case, I hope someone with more knowledge shines in with this . As I am learning as well .
This is likely due to the amount of neck tension on the bullet.

More neck tension on your brass requires more energy to get the bullet moving, resulting in higher pressures.
 
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