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Well I finally got down to the issue with my 6GT. It was a headscratcher. I had clear nodes at 35.8grs @ 2920fps and 34.7grs @ 2850fps. But it wouldn't stay on them. The more I shot the more spread out the groups and velocity performance would become. It simply wouldn't perform with any consistency.

While manipulating one variable at a time I swapped out the Berger 109gr LRHT for a 115gr DTAC, and Eureka. A load that shoots!

I put 26 rounds across the chrono while adjusting my tuner. Ended up with a 5.1 SD and single hole shooter at 100. I took my remaining 4 rounds out to 1000 and in the shifting breeze, shot a 4 shot group with less than 3" of vertical spread.

No idea why the Bergers won't shoot. Ive been tinkering with them for hundreds of rounds now, adjusting parts of my load, pouring over the rifle, my brass, my powder scale, anything and everything trying to run the inconsistent performance to ground. It's the bullet. My barrel just flat dislikes it.

This is 4 shots at 1000 yards, 115gr DTACS, 34.6grs Long Rifle at 2841fps.


What is the batch or lot number on the 109s that won’t shoot?
 
It's a 26" War Heavy profile from Hawk Hill, 7.5" twist. Freebore is .120"



This is the .237" bore.

Like I said, why it won't shoot is a head scratcher. If I scrubbed the Bergers shot great. As soon as the barrel got dirty they would go to hell. As in <50 rounds. Can't even get through a match with them.

Shooting a Regional PRS Qualifier match today. Sitting here typing this up before heading out to check zero. Weatherman is calling for 15 to 25mph winds today. Should be a little sporty..🤣🤣

I'll check my DTAC load after the match and see how its held up.
let us know how you did , and how your barrel preformed . GOOD LUCK
 
236 can be a problem with Bergers(and a lot of bullets) ask me how I know. I'm about ready to use this Krieger barrel as a tomato stake and go back to 65cr.
khuber84

I know Erik Cortina uses a a .236” bore Brux barrel and Berger bullets so that combination will work. But maybe the Krieger is a little tighter yet? Instead of trashing the barrel maybe strip it to bare metal and run some fire lap bullets through it to see if it might loosen it up a tad and make it usable for you?
 
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Like I said, why it won't shoot is a head scratcher. If I scrubbed the Bergers shot great. As soon as the barrel got dirty they would go to hell. As in <50 rounds. Can't even get through a match with it.
Maybe that barrel like a dirty bore? What happens if you develop the load when it’s got a fouled bore? Say you have 50-75 rounds down the barrel and then start your load development and testing?
 
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Well the match was a fifth of cheap tequila and an asswhippin' 🤣

18 to 29mph winds all day in the lovely Great Basin desert region of southwest Idaho. By the third stage, actions were locking up from the dirt and magazines stopped feeding. It was a wonderful....... learning experience...

The rifle was great though. The MD pulled in the long range steel when the weather man said we had a tsunami inbound,, so 908 was the longest shot. I got it both shots with a 3.6 mil wind hold (24mph wind). On the last stage I impacted a 2.5" squirrel at 295 yards with both shots,, and 4" gopher at 395 yards using a 21mph wind hold. So sub moa and moa targets in a ridiculous wind,, I'll take that. The 5 round chrono after the match showed a 3.3 SD. So I think I'm finally moving forward with the rifle.

Just gotta figure out how to make those magazines run in a dustbowl...

And now I need to find some fargin' DTACs...
Awesome. So what load and CTBO are ya using?
 
I'm not sure on my overall length, I'll take a look at it and post it.

My load is 34.6grs Shooters World Long Rifle, a 115gr DTAC, CCI 450 primer in Hornady brass. I'm not an expensive brass kinda guy, I lose it too fast. And Hornady has served well across multiple calibers. So I like it.

Jumping .030" and getting 5 SD or less at 2841fps.
that is what i am shooting for on the sd and speed. PERFECT
 
Well that is a bummer. I always try have some DTACs on hand as I’ve had great results with them. I’ll plan on using 105 Hybrids and 109 LRHT with this news.
 
I'm going to start to load up some 6GT and most of the loads posted are using magnum primers which I don't have. I do have plenty of small rifle, are the magnums really needed? Anyone have data for small rifle primers? I may have some Winchester magnums laying around I'll have to hunt a little harder. Were there ignition problems with small?
 
You will be absolutely fine using small rifle non-magnum primers. Many people have great success doing so and I am one of them. 2300 rounds down a barrel with nothing but cci400 and I have shot matches in 20 degree temps without issue. Very accurate and nice and low SDs.
 
Usually 200~ish. More for a train up. I took 250 to Peterson last month. But I just checked zero and confirmed DOPE right at close on Friday before match.
Ok 250 ish to be safe . Thank GOD I just ordered 200 more , that makes 600 alpha brass for me and my son . 300 each . Plus Another 250 from hornady ,that we have as spare ,in case we ever need them .
 
Ok 250 ish to be safe . Thank GOD I just ordered 200 more , that makes 600 alpha brass for me and my son . 300 each . Plus Another 250 from hornady ,that we have as spare ,in case we ever need them .
I’m sure you know the load may be a bit different between the brands. So if you use the Hornady on Friday train ups, you may have different dope on Saturday and Sunday. Just keep that in mind. Aim small and miss small! Have fun. I’m guessing it’s your first 2-day.
 
Anyone running IMR4166? I have 16lbs and am about to spin a barrel up. I was going to go with BRA but now I’m leaning towards the GT with the DTACs I have.

Is 4166 truly that close to Varget in charge weight?
 
Anyone running IMR4166? I have 16lbs and am about to spin a barrel up. I was going to go with BRA but now I’m leaning towards the GT with the DTACs I have.

Is 4166 truly that close to Varget in charge weight?
If you do run the 4166 ,please post your results ,would like to see them . Me on the other hand just got my 6gt barrel installed yesterday . So about to start a load ,with varget , then with h5350
 
Anyone running IMR4166? I have 16lbs and am about to spin a barrel up. I was going to go with BRA but now I’m leaning towards the GT with the DTACs I have.

Is 4166 truly that close to Varget in charge weight?
Dude in the 6GT FB group ran some 4166 (https://www.facebook.com/groups/780746612323086/permalink/1339804299750645) and got some reasonable results. 3059 avg fps / 3.6SD and printed pretty nice on paper.

Spinning up a 6GT next week myself so watching these with interest as I, like others, have a limited supply of Varget.
 
Anyone running IMR4166? I have 16lbs and am about to spin a barrel up. I was going to go with BRA but now I’m leaning towards the GT with the DTACs I have.

Is 4166 truly that close to Varget in charge weight?
I'm not running 4166.

But, according to the Hodgdon website, starting charge weight for 4166 is 29.5 grains

Starting weight for Varget is 30.6 grains

They both show a max charge weight of 34 grains.

This info is for a 107g bullet.
 
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In my BR with 105s it was pretty close. It think I used a touch more 4166. It gave good speed and accuracy, but I did a complete work up and not just throw a Varget load at it and hope it worked.
 
I'm not running 4166.

But, according to the Hodgdon website, starting charge weight for 4166 is 29.5 grains

Starting weight for Varget is 30.6 grains

They both show a max charge weight of 34 grains.

This info is for a 107g bullet.
we started our load today and we are at 33 grains of varget , we are in the mis 2800's with mt 28"proof. we are staying at that speed .
 
The 6GT was the easiest to load develop I have personally ever seen. Running 34.4-35 of Varget has 8 FPS total speed difference with the 105 Berger. I settled on 34.5 Varget, Hornady brass, FGMM primers and honestly just picked a number for COAL to seat the bullets and never checked the jump. It shot single digit SDs and tiny .25” groups at 2954. I decided I would try a 109 with the same load and it was almost identical results but being slightly slower. I am running a 26” A-Team precision profile Mullerworks barrel (Impact prefit)spun up by BrIan Allen. I went ahead and ordered another barrel I was so well pleased with it.


This is great to hear, Brian is shipping me my GT build as I write this , I also went with the A-Team Mullerworks barrel, also went with Impact action!
 
Just got my 26” 7.5 6GT barrel from GAP. All I have is SW Precision and H4350 with 105 hybrid and cci450. Couldn’t find any solid data on here, can anyone that’s using similar, provide me with a good starting charge? Thanks.
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Just got my 26” 7.5 6GT barrel from GAP. All I have is SW Precision and H4350 with 105 hybrid and cci450. Couldn’t find any solid data on here, can anyone that’s using similar, provide me with a good starting charge? Thanks.
You should be safe treating SW Precision as a 1:1 replacement for Varget, just work up from a light load because you may get a little more pressure (maybe not too).