Thanks for clearing it up .This is likely due to the amount of neck tension on the bullet.
More neck tension on your brass requires more energy to get the bullet moving, resulting in higher pressures.
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Thanks for clearing it up .This is likely due to the amount of neck tension on the bullet.
More neck tension on your brass requires more energy to get the bullet moving, resulting in higher pressures.
Well I finally got down to the issue with my 6GT. It was a headscratcher. I had clear nodes at 35.8grs @ 2920fps and 34.7grs @ 2850fps. But it wouldn't stay on them. The more I shot the more spread out the groups and velocity performance would become. It simply wouldn't perform with any consistency.
While manipulating one variable at a time I swapped out the Berger 109gr LRHT for a 115gr DTAC, and Eureka. A load that shoots!
I put 26 rounds across the chrono while adjusting my tuner. Ended up with a 5.1 SD and single hole shooter at 100. I took my remaining 4 rounds out to 1000 and in the shifting breeze, shot a 4 shot group with less than 3" of vertical spread.
No idea why the Bergers won't shoot. Ive been tinkering with them for hundreds of rounds now, adjusting parts of my load, pouring over the rifle, my brass, my powder scale, anything and everything trying to run the inconsistent performance to ground. It's the bullet. My barrel just flat dislikes it.
This is 4 shots at 1000 yards, 115gr DTACS, 34.6grs Long Rifle at 2841fps.
let us know how you did , and how your barrel preformed . GOOD LUCKIt's a 26" War Heavy profile from Hawk Hill, 7.5" twist. Freebore is .120"
This is the .237" bore.
Like I said, why it won't shoot is a head scratcher. If I scrubbed the Bergers shot great. As soon as the barrel got dirty they would go to hell. As in <50 rounds. Can't even get through a match with them.
Shooting a Regional PRS Qualifier match today. Sitting here typing this up before heading out to check zero. Weatherman is calling for 15 to 25mph winds today. Should be a little sporty..
I'll check my DTAC load after the match and see how its held up.
khuber84236 can be a problem with Bergers(and a lot of bullets) ask me how I know. I'm about ready to use this Krieger barrel as a tomato stake and go back to 65cr.
Maybe that barrel like a dirty bore? What happens if you develop the load when it’s got a fouled bore? Say you have 50-75 rounds down the barrel and then start your load development and testing?Like I said, why it won't shoot is a head scratcher. If I scrubbed the Bergers shot great. As soon as the barrel got dirty they would go to hell. As in <50 rounds. Can't even get through a match with it.
Especially when 400 rounds of 1/4 moa just all a sudden gets totally out of whack! I've thrown everything at it minus the fire lapping.
Awesome. So what load and CTBO are ya using?Well the match was a fifth of cheap tequila and an asswhippin'
18 to 29mph winds all day in the lovely Great Basin desert region of southwest Idaho. By the third stage, actions were locking up from the dirt and magazines stopped feeding. It was a wonderful....... learning experience...
The rifle was great though. The MD pulled in the long range steel when the weather man said we had a tsunami inbound,, so 908 was the longest shot. I got it both shots with a 3.6 mil wind hold (24mph wind). On the last stage I impacted a 2.5" squirrel at 295 yards with both shots,, and 4" gopher at 395 yards using a 21mph wind hold. So sub moa and moa targets in a ridiculous wind,, I'll take that. The 5 round chrono after the match showed a 3.3 SD. So I think I'm finally moving forward with the rifle.
Just gotta figure out how to make those magazines run in a dustbowl...
And now I need to find some fargin' DTACs...
that is what i am shooting for on the sd and speed. PERFECTI'm not sure on my overall length, I'll take a look at it and post it.
My load is 34.6grs Shooters World Long Rifle, a 115gr DTAC, CCI 450 primer in Hornady brass. I'm not an expensive brass kinda guy, I lose it too fast. And Hornady has served well across multiple calibers. So I like it.
Jumping .030" and getting 5 SD or less at 2841fps.
My barrel is coming from Straight Jacket Armory and they said 120 will work fine with DTACs. I don’t think they would say that if it didn’t, they have the 170 FB reamer as well.What freebore do you run with DTAC? .170?
Yup. I start right off the bat at 60 off and work out from there. Have found the best groups for me personally around 80-100 off.I could not get any good results from 109s til i put them out 60-80 thousandths. As soon as I did my Sd/Es went way down and group size as well. How far out were you?
Seems to be right in line with SAC's findings with the 105Yup. I start right off the bat at 60 off and work out from there. Have found the best groups for me personally around 80-100 off.
Damn. Missed it again. But I have 250 pcs of Hornady so not the end of the world.GAP has Alpha in stock as well....
At least they did when I ordered yesterday.
Would you happen to know how many rounds is need for a two day match.Damn. Missed it again. But I have 250 pcs of Hornady so not the end of the world.
Damn. Missed it again. But I have 250 pcs of Hornady so not the end of the world.
Usually 200Would you happen to know how many rounds is need for a two day match.
Usually 200~ish. More for a train up. I took 250 to Peterson last month. But I just checked zero and confirmed DOPE right at close on Friday before match.Would you happen to know how many rounds is need for a two day match.
Thanks I’ll try that.Call them, it was out of stock on their website when I ordered it too.
Ok 250 ish to be safe . Thank GOD I just ordered 200 more , that makes 600 alpha brass for me and my son . 300 each . Plus Another 250 from hornady ,that we have as spare ,in case we ever need them .Usually 200~ish. More for a train up. I took 250 to Peterson last month. But I just checked zero and confirmed DOPE right at close on Friday before match.
I’m sure you know the load may be a bit different between the brands. So if you use the Hornady on Friday train ups, you may have different dope on Saturday and Sunday. Just keep that in mind. Aim small and miss small! Have fun. I’m guessing it’s your first 2-day.Ok 250 ish to be safe . Thank GOD I just ordered 200 more , that makes 600 alpha brass for me and my son . 300 each . Plus Another 250 from hornady ,that we have as spare ,in case we ever need them .
If you do run the 4166 ,please post your results ,would like to see them . Me on the other hand just got my 6gt barrel installed yesterday . So about to start a load ,with varget , then with h5350Anyone running IMR4166? I have 16lbs and am about to spin a barrel up. I was going to go with BRA but now I’m leaning towards the GT with the DTACs I have.
Is 4166 truly that close to Varget in charge weight?
I’m on same route. I have a few lbs of varget and h4350 but am always interested in new powders.If you do run the 4166 ,please post your results ,would like to see them . Me on the other hand just got my 6gt barrel installed yesterday . So about to start a load ,with varget , then with h5350
Yes never know when you need to go to those other powders .I’m on same route. I have a few lbs of varget and h4350 but am always interested in new powders.
Dude in the 6GT FB group ran some 4166 (https://www.facebook.com/groups/780746612323086/permalink/1339804299750645) and got some reasonable results. 3059 avg fps / 3.6SD and printed pretty nice on paper.Anyone running IMR4166? I have 16lbs and am about to spin a barrel up. I was going to go with BRA but now I’m leaning towards the GT with the DTACs I have.
Is 4166 truly that close to Varget in charge weight?
I'm not running 4166.Anyone running IMR4166? I have 16lbs and am about to spin a barrel up. I was going to go with BRA but now I’m leaning towards the GT with the DTACs I have.
Is 4166 truly that close to Varget in charge weight?
we started our load today and we are at 33 grains of varget , we are in the mis 2800's with mt 28"proof. we are staying at that speed .I'm not running 4166.
But, according to the Hodgdon website, starting charge weight for 4166 is 29.5 grains
Starting weight for Varget is 30.6 grains
They both show a max charge weight of 34 grains.
This info is for a 107g bullet.
The 6GT was the easiest to load develop I have personally ever seen. Running 34.4-35 of Varget has 8 FPS total speed difference with the 105 Berger. I settled on 34.5 Varget, Hornady brass, FGMM primers and honestly just picked a number for COAL to seat the bullets and never checked the jump. It shot single digit SDs and tiny .25” groups at 2954. I decided I would try a 109 with the same load and it was almost identical results but being slightly slower. I am running a 26” A-Team precision profile Mullerworks barrel (Impact prefit)spun up by BrIan Allen. I went ahead and ordered another barrel I was so well pleased with it.
Just got my 26” 7.5 6GT barrel from GAP. All I have is SW Precision and H4350 with 105 hybrid and cci450. Couldn’t find any solid data on here, can anyone that’s using similar, provide me with a good starting charge? Thanks.
You should be safe treating SW Precision as a 1:1 replacement for Varget, just work up from a light load because you may get a little more pressure (maybe not too).Just got my 26” 7.5 6GT barrel from GAP. All I have is SW Precision and H4350 with 105 hybrid and cci450. Couldn’t find any solid data on here, can anyone that’s using similar, provide me with a good starting charge? Thanks.