I just tried to order them, but it said "Unfortunately, there are no carriers available for your delivery address."
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Dies in stock at d.wilson mfg, and direct from lee
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Shot about 50 rounds at the range this evening to zero my thermal.
Not bad for 100 yards
Not bad for 100 yards
Looking good unclemoak!
WRT the subsonic expandables from South Africa....I have been emailing the company. Down the rabbit hole I go....
Think I will go through the effort to do a personal use import permit (60 day approval)....perhaps share them with my friends.
Drop me a PM if you might be interested. Suppose I need to get a rifle put together!
ZY
WRT the subsonic expandables from South Africa....I have been emailing the company. Down the rabbit hole I go....
Think I will go through the effort to do a personal use import permit (60 day approval)....perhaps share them with my friends.
Drop me a PM if you might be interested. Suppose I need to get a rifle put together!
ZY
I just ordered the Hornady 8.6BLk reloading dies from unclemoak . Good to go, should see them by this Friday.
I notice they're based in South Africa, so do they ship to the US? Couldn't find if they do easily on their site, but that could definitely end up costing a pretty penny.
Gorilla Ammo is live to the public as of 5pm EST today, 6/24/2022. If you didn't grab a code from faxon this is a chance to get brass. Limit 2 boxes of the 288 gr fracturing subs and 2 boxes of barns 210 TSX. Hopefully this is the last time I need to spend $2.60 a pop since dies are on the way, with brass not included those 210s should be running around 1.25 a throw.
edit: the sbr subs sold out in 5 minutes
edit: the sbr subs sold out in 5 minutes
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I’m not against this cartridge at all, but this is part of the reason I went with fast twist 35 caliber rifle rounds for subs years ago, and still prefer that caliber. Subsonic expanding pistol bullets are plentiful for cheap, up to about 180gr, and over 300gr for rifle bullets. It’s easier to make subsonic hollow points work well in the larger diameter as well. A fast twist 358 Win or 35 Remington covers pretty much the same bases as this new round, and then some. (The old 35 Rem is one of my favorite cartridges for subsonics; easy to develop good loads, and it runs fine in a .473” bolt.) Just food for thought.
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I think alot of the appeal of this round is it's commercial momentum. In a few years they'll be big manufactures competing for the market share, and the plug an play ability with LR-308s makes adoption easier. I do think the fast twist 1:3 barrels are going to be the biggest impact on the market from this round already having a hot start and will make other big bore rounds more viable. I want a 1:3 twist 45-70 for the giggles.
@unclemoak did you have any issue with chambering your converted brass? I just got my dies in and converted 1 piece of 6.5 Creed (Norma, left side of pic) and 1 piece of .308 (PPU, right side of pic.) seated a projo, and neither would chamber. I verified that I wasn't in the lands with the projectiles. Also verified trim length (.02 short of max) Issue looks to be neck thickness.
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Continuing the journey with the Peregrin .338 subsonic projectiles. Currently working ATF Form6 with BATFE and a Customs Broker. Still sorting out how much shipping, customs, and customs broker fees total....
PM if interested,
ZY
PM if interested,
ZY
I haven't had an issue, but it would be worth checking the neck diameter of a loaded round and comparing it to a chamber drawing.
A preview of the latest Hornady 315 gr subx bullets in the latest Q video has got me excited for hunting. What would be comperable in the meantime for subsonic hunting
Maker bullets has some 350s, but they haven't been in stock in a while.
In case anyone else doesn't know how to internet, @AP2020 pointed me to the chamber/cartridge drawings on the Q website:
8.6 TECHNICAL DATA
liveqordie.com
I did have to take .004 from the neck to comply.
What is gonna be the cheapest bullet for subs, being bonded I cannot find anything under around 0.75.
Why do you want a bonded bullet?
Pretty much everything .338 is more expensive. Just how it is.
Bonded is cheaper than monolithic copper. The 1:3 twist rate will rip the jacket off non-bonded projectile as per Q.
Then it’s just going to be an expensive cartridge to shoot, period.
A good thought, and worth a try. But I think it’s likely they’ll strip in the rifling with that 1:3 twist.
I shoot a lot of cast bullets, have for years, and in recovering my bullets have noticed more tendency for the lead to start stripping as it engages the rifling with the faster twists. Although a jammed fit can help that.
Seems to me this 1:3 twist may be eliminating some of the potential versatility of this cartridge. I wonder if it’ll prove worthwhile.
FWIW, still working the potential group buy for then monolithic subsonic projectiles from South Africa (see post #65).
I have been trying to get all the details from the US customs importer Peregrine has used in the past—still waiting.
I have no doubt they are good bullet, should handle the 1:3 no problem and hopefully are accurate. However, expect that after shipping, custom brokers fees, etc they will be about 1.25-1.35 or each.
Not a crazy price compared other .338 monolithics….but like stated above, this is not going to be a plinking round. Welcome to .338….
I will post updates as I get them.
ZY
I have been trying to get all the details from the US customs importer Peregrine has used in the past—still waiting.
I have no doubt they are good bullet, should handle the 1:3 no problem and hopefully are accurate. However, expect that after shipping, custom brokers fees, etc they will be about 1.25-1.35 or each.
Not a crazy price compared other .338 monolithics….but like stated above, this is not going to be a plinking round. Welcome to .338….
I will post updates as I get them.
ZY
I will look for a good mold after I get mine built, hopefully NOE will have something back in stock by then. It can't be any worse than shooting cast in a 50 BMG.
Greg
I don't see why a cast lead bullet wouldn't work, all my digging leads me to belive that only the jacket rips off due to the fast twist.
Just don't try it with the can on
I was luck enough to grab a few boxes of those Makers on Thursday before they sold out, I'm very impressed. For a 12" barrel would you up the powered by 50% or so?
No. I would increase maybe 0.3gr.
One thing, Paul from Maker Bullets specifies is a speed limit of 1,050fps.
If you have a can, bad things would happen if that bullet comes apart in your can!
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I have the noe (315 grs.) with flat point and no grooves that I shoot in 338 Spectre. It is great there but twist is 1-6. I may try some in my 8.6 when built.
Let me know how it goes, I was looking at that mold myself, but Al is out of stock at the moment on all versions of it. I was looking at an RG mold so I could try hollow point as well.
Greg
Just diving into this cartridge but in a bolt gun for some ultra sneaky shooter. AP2020 has been puting out some awesome content on his YT channel and will be doing the same for these bolt guns soon.
Initial load testing was with a Hornady 225gr SP. The load used was from the published load data from Faxon of 35.8gr of AA1680.... A bit TOO SPICY! Caused my end cap to shrapnel from the bullet comming apart. No baffle damage. Case was way to over pressured. 6.5 Creedmoor brass is the way to go so far. I've tried 308 brass and had zero luck. Used Lee Precision pace setter die and it plunk test perfect.
Rifle 1 specs:
TC Compass SBR
Faxon OEM chambered barrel cut to 13" and threaded 5/8x24 modified breech end
Deadair Primal Can
Rifle 2 specs:
Kauger Arms CRS action
Faxon OEM chambered barrel 16" (for now)
11.5gr of Trailboss yields 1020 FPS
11gr of AA1680 pushes right at 1,000
Both with good accuracy so far at 100 yards
Initial load testing was with a Hornady 225gr SP. The load used was from the published load data from Faxon of 35.8gr of AA1680.... A bit TOO SPICY! Caused my end cap to shrapnel from the bullet comming apart. No baffle damage. Case was way to over pressured. 6.5 Creedmoor brass is the way to go so far. I've tried 308 brass and had zero luck. Used Lee Precision pace setter die and it plunk test perfect.
Rifle 1 specs:
TC Compass SBR
Faxon OEM chambered barrel cut to 13" and threaded 5/8x24 modified breech end
Deadair Primal Can
Rifle 2 specs:
Kauger Arms CRS action
Faxon OEM chambered barrel 16" (for now)
11.5gr of Trailboss yields 1020 FPS
11gr of AA1680 pushes right at 1,000
Both with good accuracy so far at 100 yards
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I thought it was weird that they listed that load as all the marketing material for load requirements was for bonded bullets or monolithics and the Hornady Sp isnt. Thanks for doing some leg work for us and RIP your end cap
Hi, just I would jump on here and throw in my 2 cents on case forming, as there‘s more than one way to skin a cat. I guess the 338 Whisper and 338 Specter’s needed a big brother,so I threw in my hat on the 8.6 BLK just because. My only interest is in the context of subsonic 338 in a larger footprint action.
So I just got in my Lee dies today and I used virgin Fed LRP 6CM brass and the Lee die worked like a champ. I picked this brass for $33/100 at Midway about a month ago, perfect for forming proof of concept.Below are two cases; left case formed a from a custom 30 degree case forming bushing die set and the right case, only a Lee FL die.
New Fed 6CM brass-nominal length 1.915, 90‘s era Rockchucker press, K&M expander mandrels, Imperial die sizing wax and Militec lube on a q-tip for inside the necks.
Left case procedure that I used a few weeks ago, the long away around town until I could get some dies.
Right case procedure: for wildcatting, I love the Lee one piece spindle.
1. Lube inside of case neck and expand virgin 6CM case using 6.5, 6>.30 and .338 mandrels.
2. Lube outside of case neck, shoulder and body with sizing wax.
3. Run case into Lee die 1/3, 1/2 way ram stroke and then fully, while inspecting case at each ram location.
4. Finished case came out at 1.874, needs to be trimmed to length and annealed.
Not 338 Spectre easy; but relatively painless, I need to try this easy procedure with other brands of CM brass.
YMMV
So I just got in my Lee dies today and I used virgin Fed LRP 6CM brass and the Lee die worked like a champ. I picked this brass for $33/100 at Midway about a month ago, perfect for forming proof of concept.Below are two cases; left case formed a from a custom 30 degree case forming bushing die set and the right case, only a Lee FL die.
New Fed 6CM brass-nominal length 1.915, 90‘s era Rockchucker press, K&M expander mandrels, Imperial die sizing wax and Militec lube on a q-tip for inside the necks.
Left case procedure that I used a few weeks ago, the long away around town until I could get some dies.
- Annealed .300 below case 6CM shoulder junction with case base in a water bath.
- Expanded to 6.5, then 6mm>.30 tapered expander and then .338 expander.
- Used several bushings to bump shoulder back in steps,trial and error and a PITA, at least its not a .14
- Bumped base-shoulder length to around 1.290 or so.
- Ran case over the .338 expander again.
- Trimmed case to 1.695, deburred.
- Lubed case shoulder and body with Imperial die sizing wax and Militec on the inside of the neck.
- Ran case into Lee FL die, so Rockchucker slightly cams over.
- Finished case was 1.702….ready for final (whatever the chamber tells me)trim.
Right case procedure: for wildcatting, I love the Lee one piece spindle.
1. Lube inside of case neck and expand virgin 6CM case using 6.5, 6>.30 and .338 mandrels.
2. Lube outside of case neck, shoulder and body with sizing wax.
3. Run case into Lee die 1/3, 1/2 way ram stroke and then fully, while inspecting case at each ram location.
4. Finished case came out at 1.874, needs to be trimmed to length and annealed.
Not 338 Spectre easy; but relatively painless, I need to try this easy procedure with other brands of CM brass.
YMMV
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Heres some 100 yard group results with Trailboss at 11.3gr. 1020 FPS SD of 9. Seems pretty quite. The sound of rocks crackling from the impact which was louder was a satisfying experience.
TC Compass SBR
13" Faxon Barrel
TC Compass SBR
13" Faxon Barrel
I really like that TC. Sorry to hear about the can, but nice to know the load data is a bit much for non-monos.
Made up another 38 cases, but ran across a snag. Because of the thickness of the case necks, they really need be neckturned and it looks like my .336 expander mandrel is bit undersized. I could neck them down to .30 and make a skim cut and the expand back to .338 and remove the rest, but thats more trouble than I want to deal with at the moment.
Nevertheless, while not a sexy as. 300SMK here’s a canelured 250 grain SP that fits great as the base is just above the neck/shoulder junction,OAL is 2.575.The neck diameter is a bit tight with .3654 at the center of the neck though.
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If your using Hornady 6.5 Creedmoor LRP brass you will not have to neck turn, at least from my expirence with 3 Faxon Rem 700 barrels I currently am testing for my shop. Loaded ammo plunks fine and has the perfect 2 thou expansion with this Hornady 6.5 brass. I am also using Lee Pacesetter 8.6 Dies. I have the Hornady die set still in the package
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I just got started on my load development yesterday with CFE BLK powder. When I set up my chronograph I started off with my "commercial" cartridges from Gorilla. Has anyone else run these suckers through a chrono? Mine are the Barnes 210 gn TSX loads and according to the Q chart you are looking for 2086 fps out of a 16 inch barrel.. My 5 rounds of the Gorillas put them at an average of 3099 fps or let's call it a rough 50% extra velocity.. this seem excessive to anyone else given the Q load chart?
I am still working my own charge weights up nice and slow. Given the load chart I am going to try for 2100 fps average in the supers.
Word to the wise though, for being a powder that is very close on burn rate to the accurate 1680 that I can't find in stock the CFE BLK has some pretty hefty charge weights. I will share my numbers once I finish dialing in, but let's just say my supers were super slow at -10% and my Subs at PLUS 10% came out at 500ish fps...I have a LOT more tinkering to do.. lol.. to be honest very soon I will be starting on twice fired casings.
I am still working my own charge weights up nice and slow. Given the load chart I am going to try for 2100 fps average in the supers.
Word to the wise though, for being a powder that is very close on burn rate to the accurate 1680 that I can't find in stock the CFE BLK has some pretty hefty charge weights. I will share my numbers once I finish dialing in, but let's just say my supers were super slow at -10% and my Subs at PLUS 10% came out at 500ish fps...I have a LOT more tinkering to do.. lol.. to be honest very soon I will be starting on twice fired casings.
Don't be surprised when burn rate and powder charge weights are not similar. They are not related. Bulk/density, charge weights, and burn rate are all separate properties that you can not expect to correlate from one powder to the next.
I loaded those 210s today for my 12" barrel and was getting around 1850, which is 100 fps less than the q chart. That Q chart is fucky
I think 100 fps is reasonable deviation depending on case volume and environmental factors. But I agree, it would be nice to have a more trustworthy source.
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