A little AR advice RRA or LMT

[Dantrom]

I just put in a order for a Rock River Arms Tactical Operator 2 for around $1000. Being in the AR mood I have been browsing the net and see that Buds Gun shop has the LMT CQB16 CQB Rifle for $1562.00!
Not only is the LMT almost 2 lbs lighter but get raving reviews, and yeah They look pretty sweet too!

Now Im considering paying the restocking fee and cancelling my RRA order and getting the LMT instead..

I have no experience with either setup, so please feel free to weigh in!

Thanks in advance

 

[trident1982]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

I can't comment on RRA products since I've never owned any, but I do own numerous MRPs and really cannot say enough positive things about them. There really is so much to like about the MRP platform, from it's impeccable machining and finishing, to it's modularity, and ultimately to it's dead nuts reliability and accuracy. Pound for pound they're perhaps the most expensive AR out there besides maybe a KAC SR15, however you certainly get what you pay for.

I prefer the rifle length chassis for 14.5" and above barreled configurations, and the CQB chassis for SBR length barreled configurations. Maybe see if Bud's has the rifle length 16" models available.

Here is my MRP CQB

 

[OFIS]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

LMT is a 21st century AR, RR has been slow to evolve with grace.

In all fairness, I do hold a grudge against RR for dropping their 1911 line to churn out endless AR15s.

 

[Early Cuyler]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

I own a pretty much bone-stock RRA Elite Operator 2 (Same as yours but not a full quad rail).

I've enjoyed it very well for an all around plinker. I have fired probably close to 1500 rds through it with Tula, Wolf, PMC, UMC, Hornady, Remington, Federal, American Eagle, and Monarch all getting their fair share of firing time. Only twice has it FTE and no FTFs. The FTEs were with steel Wolf ammo (steel Tula ran like a champ) with an off-brand magazine I got from a local shop. After I switched back to the stock RRA and MagPul, there have been zero issues.

Accuracy wise the RRA is a good enough rifle. I don't hold high expectations from their 16" 1/9twist barrel with the cheap ammo I'm running. That being said, at 100yds I get consistent 1-moa groups (plus or minus). Some groups end up at around .7-.8 and some 1.2-1.3, but thats the range you'll be looking at. At 500yds however those groups open up quickly to about 2-2.5moa. Again, that is with cheap ammo. I'm going to begin reloading for it this next week and I'm confident the groups will come down to sub-moa.

All in all I'm pleased with the purchase and it's always a fun toy to have at the range. But now that I've been bit by the precision bug, I'm looking at getting a bull-barrel AR15 better geared towards that route.

 

[sgtbutt]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

Rock Rivers have great accuracy, that its one thing that stands put about them. My first was a 16 inch stainless, then a CL 16, a 6.8 upper and a stripped lower for my SBR. Since them I have sold the stainless to a buddy since I didn't need so many. The FF rail didn't line up with the upper receiver when I bridged a carry handle though, and was in staked by factory.

On the CL I took the receive plate off to put a single point sling mount. Instead of the castle nut being staked, they loctited it. When I went to upgrade my 6.8 with aPRI tube I had to get the factory tube off...... And guess what? It was loctited!

RRA puts out some shooters, some tight guns as far a fit goes, but on just about everything they can they use loctite. They are goods guns but if you upgrade the parts you take off end up needing lots of work or are trash. If you do not foresee upgrades or can get one for just down right inexpensive go for it. If you want your rifle to evolve with every new entry to the industry get something else.

 

[Kevlars]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

I have shot both and I bought the LMT. Reasons the LMT just felt better yes I know it's totally subjective. But it did. They are both very accurate and well made. You can't go wrong with either.

 

[kimberseries1]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

LMT all the way! 2 pounds is a LOT! If you held them side by side you would notice all the difference in the world! Then start adding red-dots, afg, etc., and the weight adds up. 2 Pounds is like going from 5.56 to .308, or going DI to Piston....

 

[unreconstructed]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

LMT!!!

I have 2 MWS' and several MRP's. They are the only "railed" AR's I'll have now.

 

[VJJPunisher]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

dont drink the koolaid

 

[Dantrom]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

Alright, I have been looking a little deeper into this and the one that buds carries is:
CQB MRP CQB16 which is a direct gas impingement

But I was calling around and a dealer close to me has the:
CQB MRP CQBPS16 which is the piston version

This model is $400 more than the one buds offers and .5 lbs...

So I curious, which direction do those with hands on recommend?

 

[Bruiser_Joe]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

LMT makes top notch stuff, i have 1 and will definately get another

 

[mackdrvr]

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LMT would be my pick.

 

[Jacklulu]

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I just picked up the LMT after a long review
I went with the DI
Spoke at length with manufactures as well
The REAL advantage to the piston is:
SBR
Full AUTO
SUPPRESSED
High Capasity Magazine
I almost forgot easier to clean
John

 

[Dantrom]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jacklulu</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just picked up the LMT after a long review
I went with the DI
Spoke at length with manufactures as well
The REAL advantage to the piston is:
SBR
Full AUTO
SUPPRESSED
High Capasity Magazine
I almost forgot easier to clean
John</div></div>

Im not sure, but if you decide to go SBR or suppressed and get another the new barrel with the piston setup and just get the piston bolt correct?

 

[Jacklulu]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

When I get to Heaven
Or
Move

I live in NY
Can not have
SBR
Suppressor
High cap mags
Collapsible stock
So the DI is the way to go
Save $$$
Buy Ammo
And training
John

 

[justwoody1]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

or you could a the RR and spend more on ammo.

 

[Dantrom]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: justwoody1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">or you could a the RR and spend more on ammo. </div></div>

I have considered this! My plan is, as soon as rifle arrives I will submit my SBR paperwork and rifle will be run at 10.5".
I like the idea of easy barrel changes as well because maybe Ill get a 300 blackout and or 458 SOCOM for deer in Indiana!!

Just changing the barrel and bolt carrier sounds kinda nice.

 

[tylerw02]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

RRA products are very low end. LMT is fairly good.

I'd go with Colt, BCM, Noveske, Daniel Defense, LMT in that order.

 

[338RUM runner]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

"RRA products are very low end."
I have to call BS. When did that happen? All mine are very great!

 

[frankythefly]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: xp100man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"RRA products are very low end."
I have to call BS. When did that happen. All mine are very great </div></div>

Some of my best shooting ARs have been RRA. They make a very fine AR, however if money was no issue then I would go for the LMT. LMT, COLT, HK, KAC, and FN are systems that you will see in the hands of soldiers here and overseas. I believe for a military system the LMT provides the most bang for the buck.

 

[tylerw02]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: xp100man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"RRA products are very low end."
I have to call BS. When did that happen? All mine are very great! </div></div>

Glad your worked for you. The reality is, they cut every corner they can. They are far from mil-spec.

Read this thread:

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=6642

ETA:

 

[kimberseries1]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankythefly</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: xp100man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"RRA products are very low end."
I have to call BS. When did that happen. All mine are very great </div></div>

Some of my best shooting ARs have been RRA. They make a very fine AR, however if money was no issue then I would go for the LMT. LMT, COLT, HK, KAC, and FN are systems that you will see in the hands of soldiers here and overseas. I believe for a military system the LMT provides the most bang for the buck. </div></div>


I'm not trying to knock RR, but at the same price point, there are better options. RR's are very heavy, but for benchrest shooting, some prefer that. But if I want best bang for the buck, I'd be looking at LMT, BCM, DD, Colt for battleworthiness. For mil-spec quality Spike's for sure, and possibly Stag.....

For a benchrest rifle, just throw on a Noveske barrel, or another custom barrel.

 

[Dantrom]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

Man, I was no expecting all of the bad RRA comments!

 

[Dantrom]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

I take it the overall opinion is eat the 20% restocking fee and get the LMT and forget about the RRA?

 

[The_Duke]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Glad your worked for you. The reality is, they cut every corner they can. They are far from mil-spec.

Read this thread:

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=6642

</div></div>

I cant find a chart, alls I see is a 70 page thread and some dead end links. Id be interested to see more too though, as I have a RRA on order and really havent heard that many bad things about them

 

[Dantrom]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Duke</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Glad your worked for you. The reality is, they cut every corner they can. They are far from mil-spec.

Read this thread:

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=6642

</div></div>

I cant find a chart, alls I see is a 70 page thread and some dead end links. Id be interested to see more too though, as I have a RRA on order and really havent heard that many bad things about them</div></div>

+1

I got tired of looking through all that without any success, but some low opinions in this post for sone reason..

I have been looking for negative opinion elsewhere and am not having much luck.

Either way I think I will accept the RRA and just try to sell it for what I have in it or marginal loss. I really don't want to eat that 20%!

 

[tylerw02]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

You can see that there's a link that says "link to M4 comparison" or something of the sort. The new version, RRA refused to participate as the old version certainly didn't do well for them. Jest of it: RRA used inferior barrel steel, doesn't HPT/MPI, doesn't stake anything, doesn't necessarily chrome-line, doesn't necessarily have NATO chambers, don't use taper pins, doesn't park under the FSB, doesn't use the proper extractor/insert/spring, uses the wrong buffet, uses "commercial" sized Rec Ext out of an inferior material, uses a lighter buffer, etc. additionally, they are known for being over-gassed resulting in accelerated parts wear, increased fouling, and a heftier recoil-impulse. Overall, for the money, much better options do exist. Sure, RRA will work for the casual shooter, but if you're buying it, may as well get something closer to spec.

 

[tylerw02]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

Go to M4carbine for good AR15 info. Lots of armorers there. Drop the RRA name and ask for their experiences. The Hide isn't really the place you'll find extensive AR knowledge.

 

[Roadwild17]

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I have sold several guns with RRA lowers, somehow RRAs carry a fairly good resale price on the market. Sell it and look for a bcm or a lmt

 

[Dantrom]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Roadwild17</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have sold several guns with RRA lowers, somehow RRAs carry a fairly good resale price on the market. Sell it and look for a bcm or a lmt</div></div>

Thanks I think this is my best bet! Besides if I like it I'll keep it and get the LMT down the road!

 

[The_Duke]

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Entry levels RRA start at 725 shipped, I looked at a noveske upper and it was more than I paid for a complete PP rifle. I'm sure there are much better quality products but "for the money" is relative to how much you have

 

[callen3615]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Go to M4carbine for good AR15 info. Lots of armorers there. Drop the RRA name and ask for their experiences. The Hide isn't really the place you'll find extensive AR knowledge. </div></div>

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=97811

 

[Newtrick]

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I'm not going to try and steer you any direction. They are I feel both great firearms. I wouldn't worry about receiving the RRA. Get it , shoot it, I'll bet it's just fine, and accurate. Your sights, hand, mags, and ammo will probably have the most influence to the outcome. You can always sell it if you don't like it. I have a number of AR's from different manufactures, and of different calibers. I have had 5 RR's, all with zero issues. One of these, the LAR-8, A4, 26" barrel is one of the most accurate rifles I have ever had.

I'm not disputing anyone, I just think you are not making a mistake. Enjoy it.

 

[frankythefly]

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Not to try and go a different direction with this thread, but after reading some of the links about RRA, I want to go and buy one of these:

Not sure why I want one other than it takes the AK mags and is billet. A select fire version of this would be a perfect contractor weapon.

 

[tomahawk84]

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I would go with the LMT if the budget is there.

 

[Ridgeback80]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

RRA products are very low end. LMT is fairly good.

sir please , pull your head out of your ass! so let me get this straight rra are low end , lmt is just fairly good? i think maybe since "the sniper'shide isn't a good place for ar info " maybe you should take you opinions back to m4carbine.net ! just saying!!!
now back to rra i currently own 2 and have run both flawlessly! they are i little bit heavy but for my set up that's OK .
to the op dont be afraid of the rr there are solid rifles at a good price and they resale well! my.02

 

[mateofeo85]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

I own 2 RRA guns, an 18" DMR-ish and a 10.5" SBR; both 5.56. I cannot say anything bad about either of these guns. No failures, upsets, inconsistencies. Nada. But I'm also only a weekend shooter (~1500 rds/year/gun).

Am I:
Shooting full auto: No
Active LEO/military: No
Varmint shooting: Yes
Shooting handloads: Yes
MOA/sub MOA capable: Yes

These RRA rifles are great for my application. I saw the "chart" on M4carbine.net and the fanboys ranting and raving about Daniel Defense, Colt, and BCM guns and how shitty RRA is. Are they wrong about the quality of those DD/BCM/Colt guns? No way. They're great firearms. But I'm also not what they consider an "operator" that needs something to fit within their confines of the "chart".

I got a great deal on my RRA rifles and for the type of shooter that I am, I couldn't be happier.

 

[ar15x]

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I thought I would weigh in on this a bit. If the lower is forged and not cast it will be fine. Most lowers are forged in the same place then etched with the final companies logo. If the company mills their lowers from solid billet it will be heavier, but stronger and cost goes way up.

To get 2 pounds of weight I am guessing it is in the barrel the upper and lower receivers just do not carry enough weight, that would be all the accessories.

I would be curious on what you get for the extra $600 there is not that much value in the receivers.

 

[tylerw02]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ridgeback80</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
sir please , pull your head out of your ass! so let me get this straight rra are low end , lmt is just fairly good? i think maybe since "the sniper'shide isn't a good place for ar info " maybe you should take you opinions back to m4carbine.net ! just saying!!!
now back to rra i currently own 2 and have run both flawlessly! they are i little bit heavy but for my set up that's OK .
to the op dont be afraid of the rr there are solid rifles at a good price and they resale well! my.02 </div></div>

Well aren't you a mature, civil human being. If you'd bother to go actually read what experts say, you'd understand the error in your logic. But you're going to defend your purchase and drink your Kool-aide til the death.

If people want to know about precision rifles, places like Sniper's Hide and Accurate Shooter are the place to seek info. For information about AR15s/M4-pattern carbines, I'll go to a page dedicated to that. Have a good day with your "flawless" RRA.

 

[tylerw02]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ar15x</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought I would weigh in on this a bit. If the lower is forged and not cast it will be fine. Most lowers are forged in the same place then etched with the final companies logo. If the company mills their lowers from solid billet it will be heavier, but stronger and cost goes way up.

To get 2 pounds of weight I am guessing it is in the barrel the upper and lower receivers just do not carry enough weight, that would be all the accessories.

I would be curious on what you get for the extra $600 there is not that much value in the receivers. </div></div>

The information is there, go seek it.

 

[tylerw02]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mateofeo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I own 2 RRA guns, an 18" DMR-ish and a 10.5" SBR; both 5.56. I cannot say anything bad about either of these guns. No failures, upsets, inconsistencies. Nada. But I'm also only a weekend shooter (~1500 rds/year/gun).

Am I:
Shooting full auto: No
Active LEO/military: No
Varmint shooting: Yes
Shooting handloads: Yes
MOA/sub MOA capable: Yes

These RRA rifles are great for my application. I saw the "chart" on M4carbine.net and the fanboys ranting and raving about Daniel Defense, Colt, and BCM guns and how shitty RRA is. Are they wrong about the quality of those DD/BCM/Colt guns? No way. They're great firearms. But I'm also not what they consider an "operator" that needs something to fit within their confines of the "chart".

I got a great deal on my RRA rifles and for the type of shooter that I am, I couldn't be happier. </div></div>

The RRA will wokr just fine for your use, absolutely. But at $1000 like the OP is paying, why not pay for quality?

Essentially, buying an RRA at $1,000 is like paying $2500 for an SPS tactical and saying its "good enough".

The RRA is the SPS of the m4 world while the Colt 6920 is the AIAW or GAP.

 

[Ridgeback80]

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If you'd bother to go actually read what experts say, you'd understand the error in your logic.
[/quote]

I did bother to read the links you posted of fanboys bashing rra (like yourself)! who are theses experts you speak of (yourself)? just because some one posts on a forum does not justify expertise! also let here of your personal experience with rock river and lmt . obviously you have some kind of vendetta against them !

 

[Ridgeback80]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

This guy just cant stop bashing rra ! you are truly a fanboy! i understand that everyone have there own flavor but Damn ! you must have had a bad experience with Rock River!

 

[mateofeo85]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mateofeo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I own 2 RRA guns, an 18" DMR-ish and a 10.5" SBR; both 5.56. I cannot say anything bad about either of these guns. No failures, upsets, inconsistencies. Nada. But I'm also only a weekend shooter (~1500 rds/year/gun).

Am I:
Shooting full auto: No
Active LEO/military: No
Varmint shooting: Yes
Shooting handloads: Yes
MOA/sub MOA capable: Yes

These RRA rifles are great for my application. I saw the "chart" on M4carbine.net and the fanboys ranting and raving about Daniel Defense, Colt, and BCM guns and how shitty RRA is. Are they wrong about the quality of those DD/BCM/Colt guns? No way. They're great firearms. But I'm also not what they consider an "operator" that needs something to fit within their confines of the "chart".

I got a great deal on my RRA rifles and for the type of shooter that I am, I couldn't be happier. </div></div>

The RRA will wokr just fine for your use, absolutely. But at $1000 like the OP is paying, why not pay for quality?

Essentially, buying an RRA at $1,000 is like paying $2500 for an SPS tactical and saying its "good enough".

The RRA is the SPS of the m4 world while the Colt 6920 is the AIAW or GAP. </div></div>

Totally agree. You make a completely valid point; it's apples to oranges; SPS Tact vs GAP; RRA vs Colt, etc. All I'm saying is I personally had the opportunity to score these guns at a KILLER price, so I jumped on the opportunity. Otherwise, for the $1000+ price tag of an RRA, definitely buy the higher spec guns.

I can't make the decision for anybody else but myself, only offer my experience. Fortunately, mine has been a good one

 

[tylerw02]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ridgeback80</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This guy just cant stop bashing rra ! you are truly a fanboy! i understand that everyone have there own flavor but Damn ! you must have had a bad experience with Rock River! </div></div>

I'm not "bashing" RRA simply by stating the facts, bud. If you're going to get butt-hurt, that's all good and well. Close your mind, for all I care. It doesn't hurt the rest of us.

 

[tylerw02]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mateofeo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mateofeo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I own 2 RRA guns, an 18" DMR-ish and a 10.5" SBR; both 5.56. I cannot say anything bad about either of these guns. No failures, upsets, inconsistencies. Nada. But I'm also only a weekend shooter (~1500 rds/year/gun).

Am I:
Shooting full auto: No
Active LEO/military: No
Varmint shooting: Yes
Shooting handloads: Yes
MOA/sub MOA capable: Yes

These RRA rifles are great for my application. I saw the "chart" on M4carbine.net and the fanboys ranting and raving about Daniel Defense, Colt, and BCM guns and how shitty RRA is. Are they wrong about the quality of those DD/BCM/Colt guns? No way. They're great firearms. But I'm also not what they consider an "operator" that needs something to fit within their confines of the "chart".

I got a great deal on my RRA rifles and for the type of shooter that I am, I couldn't be happier. </div></div>

The RRA will wokr just fine for your use, absolutely. But at $1000 like the OP is paying, why not pay for quality?

Essentially, buying an RRA at $1,000 is like paying $2500 for an SPS tactical and saying its "good enough".

The RRA is the SPS of the m4 world while the Colt 6920 is the AIAW or GAP. </div></div>

Totally agree. You make a completely valid point; it's apples to oranges; SPS Tact vs GAP; RRA vs Colt, etc. All I'm saying is I personally had the opportunity to score these guns at a KILLER price, so I jumped on the opportunity. Otherwise, for the $1000+ price tag of an RRA, definitely buy the higher spec guns.

I can't make the decision for anybody else but myself, only offer my experience. Fortunately, mine has been a good one

</div></div>

Glad to hear you get it. They work fine for most users. I've known lots of guys with RRAs that were completely satisfied. I even ran one myself for a while and used a few of their parts. My only bad issue was it started short-stroking for a loose gas-key.

 

[gunslotreaper308]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

Of course everyone's comments are opinion based, but if the budget is there, I would personally go LMT. You could also build a BCM for around $1K

 

[Ridgeback80]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ridgeback80</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This guy just cant stop bashing rra ! you are truly a fanboy! i understand that everyone have there own flavor but Damn ! you must have had a bad experience with Rock River! </div></div>

I'm not "bashing" RRA simply by stating the <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">facts</span></span>, bud. If you're going to get butt-hurt, that's all good and well. Close your mind, for all I care. It doesn't hurt the rest of us.

</div></div>you say fact and experts without producing any!!!!!! im not closed minded to what rra is, but i do think that there are others that are "LOWER END" ! it's all good just my opinion, too each there own!

 

[tylerw02]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ridgeback80</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ridgeback80</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This guy just cant stop bashing rra ! you are truly a fanboy! i understand that everyone have there own flavor but Damn ! you must have had a bad experience with Rock River! </div></div>

I'm not "bashing" RRA simply by stating the <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">facts</span></span>, bud. If you're going to get butt-hurt, that's all good and well. Close your mind, for all I care. It doesn't hurt the rest of us.

</div></div>you say fact and experts without producing any!!!!!! im not closed minded to what rra is, but i do think that there are others that are "LOWER END" ! it's all good just my opinion, too each there own! </div></div>

I gave you the links and gave you the info. You're too close-minded to seek the info. There are several armorers and professional trainers on m4carbine, as well as numerous competitive shooters and industry insiders. I'm not going to hold your hand.

A few facts about RRA:

-inferior barrel steel------4140 vs 4150 CMV
-lack of chrome-lining
-1:9" twist and .223 or Wylde chamber rather than NATO chamber
-over-sized gas ports resulting in more recoil and accelerated parts wear-----0.075" rather than .062"
-lack of stacking on gas keys and receiver extension
-inferior bolt steel (spec is C158)
-carbine buffer instead of H buffer
-wrong extractor/insert/spring
-wrong front sight base
-commercial diameter extension made of inferior material
-complete lack of materials testing such as HPT/MPI of bolts and barrels

Do I really need to go on? It wouldn't matter anyway, because you LOVE your RRA and will defend it with your last breath. You're butthurt. You won't accept that you don't know everything about the platform and the almighty Sniper's Hide isn't the one-stop place for all firearms related information.

And yep, they aren't the only low-end AR out there. Bushmaster, DPMS, DSA, Stag, CMMG, S&W, and quite a few others aren't built to spec. That's not to say they are junk, rather that for the same money, there are better options available. The casual shooter probably won't ever know the difference, but guys that actually do use their guns will. I've been down that road and found the limitations of the equipment. If you can buy BETTER for the SAME MONEY, why wouldn't you? I highly recommend you quit posting in this thread and showing your ignorance on the subject at hand.

 

[Ridgeback80]

Re: A little AR advice RRA or LMT

I have never claimed to be the "OZ" of the ar platform as you have ! i know that my rr's are not the best out there , but i'm not knocking anything-else as you are! some of your info is true and some is false so before for you say it's gospel get all your facts straight! AS FOR THE ALMIGHTY SNIPER'S HIDE I HAVE LEARNED A METRIC SHIT TON OF ALL KINDS OF USE FULL INFO HERE SO DON'T FUCKING KNOCK IT PAL! oh yeah one more thing you talk an awful lot about butthurt i think you should seek some professional help with that! and i'm done have a great day sir!